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Warm 106.9 is being "contemporized"...

Today's money demo is 18-34 women. Those are millennial soccer moms who were barely out of diapers when James Taylor, Phil Collins and Gloria Estefan ruled AC radio. If you put a "traditional" AC on the air you'll have the same demo problems oldies radio had and conservative talk still has - it skews too old.

Actually, the sweet spot where you see the most agency buys overlapping or falling inside of is adults 25-49, followed by 25-54, then 18-49 and 18-34. Ethnic buys are most frequently 18-49 based.

25-49 has the advantage of being a demo that will make a buying decision without needing as many impressions as older consumers

When buyers seek a broad demo, they go for both reach and frequency. They buy stations that cover the young end, the center and the top end of the target. A station aiming at the top end of the sales demos will find less competition and more money per station.

More traditional AC will certainly have lots of 55+, but the 35-54 can be very strong as the example of WFEZ in Miami shows. It averages #3 in 25-54. Third in women, fifth in men in the sales demo.
 
Rob, it's interesting that you mention Warm in Rochester, now there's a good AC station. I wouldn't call Seattle a train wreck yet, maybe a car wreck though. That being said, the fact that KKCW is a better station imo is nothing new either, I've thought that since 2006.
 
Except that's not the reason. Boomers have expendable money, but don't respond well to radio advertising. In fact they're mostly antagonistic about it. So advertisers reach boomers using other media, like TV or magazines. Even direct mail is more effective with boomers than radio.

Except the stats I was referring to also reflect some unemployment in the upper Gen X demo, 40 years old and above. That's Gen X territory. Not strictly boomers.

Otherwise, your point is well taken.
 
IIRC the first station named "Warm" was WARM in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre PA.

You could be right, but I thought the first station to use that name was WRRM in Cincinatti. Regarding Seattle, they were Smooth Jazz from 1987 to 1992 as KNUA, then flipped to AC if I have my history right. Interesting that Smooth Jazz would end up on an eventual sister station.
 
You could be right, but I thought the first station to use that name was WRRM in Cincinatti. .

WARM in Scranton dates back to the early 40's. In that era, stations often looked for call letters that were easy to remember, often spelling out a word. WHAT in Philly, WOOD in Grand Rapids, WIFE in Indianapolis, KILT in Houston were examples.

In the late 60's and into the 70's, stations started looking for calls that represented a station name or format. WLYF for "Life" or WWSH for "Wish" or KJOI for "K-Joy". That is the era in which the "Warm" and "Lite" type of names came along, including the Cincy example.
 
Though the assignment of KLIT in SoCal probably didn't have all the pre-task analysis that it should have.

That call seems to be still active, on a Spanish-language Christian FM near Laredo, Texas. Interesting, since the word that makes the call off-color is spelled the same in English and Spanish. Maybe Spanish-speakers don't abbreviate it in speech?
 
Though the assignment of KLIT in SoCal probably didn't have all the pre-task analysis that it should have.

They ALWAYS spelled it K-LIT and never used the calls on the air except the legal ID. The ID was done as "K..... LIT, Glendale". Otherwise, it was Kay-Lite.

The building, on very busy Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, had the TV and AM calls and lovely silver raised metal "K-LIT" calls as well. On several occasions, the hyphen was removed and the K and L bent closer to each other. This caused the manager to go ballistic, calling staff meetings with threats of dismissal. Eventually, the changed to KSCA and an AAA format; that was not successful and eventually the station was sold to some guy from Hawai'i.
 
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I'm not so sure the overall 18-34 demo has that much disposable income anymore. Seeing as which age group is more closely aligned with the Bernie Sanders campaign, I think that's an assumption that most mass media (not just radio itself) has played on for far too long. They really aren't as rich today as Madison Avenue and Hollywood assumes.

There are just as many broke Millennials and probably even more so than Boomer seniors. A lot of Millennials I know don't even drive. And that's not just necessarily out of the well-noted environmental concerns of people in that age group today. They simply just can't afford a car. Period. Not even a 10 year old hand-me-down beater from Mom. They can't afford the maintenance and gas. Or even have a place to park it. And when you're limited to public transportation, you tend to not spend a lot either. They don't. I've seen their places.

The 18-34s are also the ones behind the $15 minimum wage movement, they're the ones vocalizing the loudest over income inequality and free college. It truly doesn't look like a very affluent demographic to me in 2016. Perhaps in 1986, but not in 2016.

Smartphones are their radios. They can get whatever they want in media instantly. Data caps are unlimited in some plans. They would look for public open wifi just to LISTEN to the radio if push came to shove. And most importantly, they NEED to interact with their peers on social media. It's the way it's done these days. And thus, there will be only be lower prices and more data, not less, as time goes on. More things are remote controlled through the internet. You can't sell anyone data caps and throttled speeds anymore. Modern life in 2016 doesn't allow for it. the consumers will not tolerate it. And as long as there is an internet, radio will have to accept it.

In fact, the Lifeline Phone Assistance program was recently updated to include home broadband internet access. And anyone receiving SNAP or WIC benefits (i.e. your average corporate minimum wage employee and likely Millennial-age) qualifies. This gives them even less reason to listen to conventional local radio. Not when they can hear/watch other things on tap at a reduced price or free option.

To suggest terrestrial radio can still hold it's own with younger people when you have to actually LOOK for a radio to buy in most places is a bit of a stretch. It's not like everyone still makes them. Most new ones I find are actually old stock that has a layer of dust on the packaging. Sometimes even with a cassette player. Even car radios are just another app today in the modern media landscape.

But older people know radio. They still give a crap. Just don't get them started with the advertising. It will then veer off into why isn't anyone playing Kokomo anymore to will Robin & Maynard and Pat Cashman come back. You know the drill.
 
The 18-34s are also the ones behind the $15 minimum wage movement, they're the ones vocalizing the loudest over income inequality and free college. It truly doesn't look like a very affluent demographic to me in 2016. Perhaps in 1986, but not in 2016.

Not really. In the markets where I have seen the protests and rally activities, the bulk of participants are Hispanic and African American and include lots of family wage earners with decades in service work and fields such as garment work.
 
So does the state of the economy and unemployment affect radio?

When I see 94 million long term unemployed Americans in the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports (about a third of them 40+ in age); and when a majority of the new jobs are lower wage jobs (over half are restaurant and retail work, others are health care which could include low wage as well as high wage jobs) -- and when I see retail, wholesale shipments, manufacturing, etc. being overall flat or headed negative in the US Census Bureau recent economic indicators page -- does that stuff affect radio?

Or is it impervious to such factors?
 
During any form of economic hard times, advertisers don't buy advertising or in the case of public broadcasting, enhanced underwriting. I've lived through several economic downturns that at the time, greatly affected the business.
 
How did this thread go from the music on Warm to socioeconomic editorials?
 
Because: (think GEICO spot) If you're a regular poster on this discussion board, you change the subject to something completely unrelated. That's just what you do.
 
During any form of economic hard times, advertisers don't buy advertising or in the case of public broadcasting, enhanced underwriting. I've lived through several economic downturns that at the time, greatly affected the business.

Advertising and promotion are about the easiest expenses to cut back in an economic downturn because they do not involve the costs of letting staff go or downsizing office space, etc., which involve severance, lease pay-offs, etc.
 
During any form of economic hard times, advertisers don't buy advertising or in the case of public broadcasting, enhanced underwriting. I've lived through several economic downturns that at the time, greatly affected the business.

Thanks for the info.
 
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