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WARM Back On???

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BaltimoreJack

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While I was sitting in my car at a dead stop this morning on the Baltimore Beltway I heard a song that defined WARM's current state. The Buggles..Video Killed The Radio Star. "Video killed the radio star..in my mind & in my car...we can't rewind we've gone too far" RIP WARM....Then I hear that somehow Citadel's enginner has been able to jump-start the back-up transmitter and WARM's on again. Is this so??
 
If so, it could come back with a boatload of free publicity.

Then, interest would die off and we'd be back talking about the whole affair a year or so from now.

And so it goes...
 
Well, good for the Citadel engineer(s) who made it work. However, the critical issues are, will it STAY on and will anybody, other than the radio wonks who flock to these boards, notice. If a tree falls in in the forest and nobody's there... yadda, yadda, yadda. Testing, testing.... this thing on?
 
Element9 said:
Well, good for the Citadel engineer(s) who made it work. However, the critical issues are, will it STAY on and will anybody, other than the radio wonks who flock to these boards, notice. If a tree falls in in the forest and nobody's there... yadda, yadda, yadda. Testing, testing.... this thing on?
If a politician gives a speech in a forest and no one is there to hear him do your taxes still increase?? :eek:

If WARM plays polkas backwards for the next 48 hours will anyone care?? ???
 
If WARM plays polkas backwards for the next 48 hours will anyone care??

Don't polkas sound the same both ways?

What Citadel should do is get some of the former Warm guys together to cut a bunch of liners and run them between songs. Get Tommy, Harry, Vince, and the rest in front of a mic for an hour and lay down some sound....
 
Guys and Gals,

WARM has been dead for over 10 years.

Nobody listens.

Nobody cares.

They have not been a "player" for decades.

Who is going to listen to music on AM?

Do you really think that bringing Harry West in to cut a few liners is going to get people to listen? They wouldn't listen to him after he left WARM!

It's time to put the past behind, consider WARM dead, cherish your memories, sell your Citadel stock and buy a subscription to Sirius XM.

Flame away.
 
Oh,come on,no one likes to see any station go dark,I think we should give the Citidal engineering staff praise for getting
it back on the air!
 
scottsan said:
Guys and Gals,

WARM has been dead for over 10 years.

Nobody listens.

Nobody cares.

They have not been a "player" for decades.

Who is going to listen to music on AM?

Do you really think that bringing Harry West in to cut a few liners is going to get people to listen? They wouldn't listen to him after he left WARM!

It's time to put the past behind, consider WARM dead, cherish your memories, sell your Citadel stock and buy a subscription to Sirius XM.

Flame away.
No Sir, you are NOT wrong. WARM is a has-been, was-been, won't-be-anymore. Actually, they were probably bucks ahead by turning it off. However, one thought here.
Does WARM still have a baseball contract? They were carrying the Yankees, is that still the case? If they still have a contract with the Yankees, it would probably be in their interest to take the money from that contract and run it through the season. However, they would probably make far more money if they ran the Yankees on JR. Now there's another frequency that no one cares about. When was the last time anyone said a single word about Junior? No Mr. ScotSan, you are quite right. While there is a lot of feeling for WARM, it's days are long gone, and she should be left to die in peace.
 
pell guy said:
Oh,come on,no one likes to see any station go dark,I think we should give the Citidal engineering staff praise for getting
it back on the air!
Does Kevin Fitz or anyone know what they wound up doing to get it jump started again??
 
Great WARM's back on now all we have to do is raise the sensational seven from the dead bring back sock hops.... that's where they made their money.....25-cent loaves of bread.....and we're back in business!!
 
In keeping with the theme here, WARM debuts new format:

Drake Timpani Up and Under
Voice over: Bobbie Bigballz: ALLLLLL OBITS... ALLLLL THE TIME
Jingle, hot: 5-90 W-A-R-M
Intro, Elton John, Funeral For A Friend, loop
Local announcer read: Obits, A-Z, wash, rinse, repeat
 
What Citadel should do is get some of the former Warm guys together to cut a bunch of liners and run them between songs. Get Tommy, Harry, Vince, and the rest in front of a mic for an hour and lay down some sound....

Well, Mr. Berniek, thanks for bringing me into this discussion, which means I now feel compelled to run my mouth a bit. And as you know, us old radio guys do like to talk.

My thoughts on WARM I've made pretty clear on vincesweeney.com and I've surely said enough. But here again, it's the old radio guy syndrome - when there's nothing left to say, we're still saying it.

I should point out that Tommy and Harry were from a different generation of WARMies than me. Both gentlemen are a bit beyond me in years. OK, maybe more than a bit. Discuss and I'll look over the report when you pull it. Both men have, and have had, my respect, admiration, and fondness for decades. Yet, they are older, wiser, and older, and wizened and respected, and older. Put another way, when the Sensational Seven were the Sensational Seven, I was still awaiting the charming glow of pubescence.

(As an aside, if everyone who claims they were among the Sensational Seven in reality were, it would have been the Sensational Seventy. Leave Harry and Tommy out of that, they WERE among the originals.)

As to doing liners for a resurrected WARM, the clear assumption is that we'd do it for free. I'm guessing, for old times' sake. How much in the way of profanity can we get away with here?

What's the going rate for cutting a "bunch of liners?" Are we talking an hourly for whatever time we'd spend doing it? That would probably put a heavy $10 in my money-clip. Seriously, that would likely be it.

A quick story of recent vintage. A regional PD approached me about voicetracking one (or more) of his stations, typically coming in and knocking out a six hour show in under an hour.

You're way ahead of me if you see this coming - yep, the pay was an hourly wage. A six hour show for one hour's pay. Oh, wait, it was $12.50 an hour, and it was negotiable. The urge to laugh was as strong as the urge to scream.

I'll move along now. Before doing so, let me say something I've said countless times over the years; radio made for a cruel mistress, which is why I left her behind nearly 25 years ago.
 
Vince brings up a good point. From a "corporate" standpoint, hiring someone with a good voice to come in and track a six hour shift in an hour makes sense. Wow, look at all the money it saves between salary, health insurance, 401k, stock options, etc. The local kool-aid drinking GM looks good to the hot shots 6 states away, but leaves his local listeners wanting more. Who would have thought KRZ would put a Ryan Seacrist on during the day!

Unfortunately, the days of "old fashioned" radio are long gone.

I'm sure somewhere, Citadel, Entercom or Clear Channel are trying to come up with a way to automate the sales process so they don't have to pay a rep to go out in the streets. Oh wait, that was the short lived Google Audio.
 
It seems odd to me that no one can make a big regional signal like this some what successful. For those of you that are interested in this kind of thing, I used to some times get WARM on the North Shore of Boston at night, in the early 70s. Boston has its own 5000 watt 590-AM, WEEI in those days, but WARM's Top 40 was some times audible under WEEI's Talk format at night...
 
Channel Surf said:
It seems odd to me that no one can make a big regional signal like this some what successful...
It's not for lack of wanting. Most of us radio junkies love the lure of these AM stations. But it's like loving a 57 Chevy Bel Aire, black, with red interior, 302 (I think) V8, three on the column. Sweet. But these days, a Ford Focus gets you from point A to point B more comfortably, economically and it has CD, AC, moon roof, reclining seats, automatic and a six cylinder engine with plenty of power.

Many good analogies have been made about these AMs and the great times long past. But it's 2009. Many of us seasoned veterans think we have the magic elixer to revive AM stations like WARM and make them work. Fantasy.

For a while, I thought a good engineer with AM directional experience had all the advantages to reviving these monsters and held the key to bringing them back. These guys have the working technical knowledge and smarts to deal with the nuances of AM directionals.

But "fixing and buying" requires money, and money in radio comes from selling and there has to be a product to sell and there has to be a buyer for what's being sold. So, as you can see, the progression leads to the listener. Today, the listener, even 50+ listener, has so many options that AM barely (if at all) figures into the equation.

As I write this, I'm on line, have my email open, I'm listening to NPR on an FM station and my TV is on CNBC (courtesy of FiOS) with the sound muted. It's about 7:45. Thirty years ago, I might be listening to the morning guy on the AM Top 40 station playing ABBA and doing phoney phone calls to unsuspecting listeners. Today? I have three media sources running at once. AM isn't one of them, although I do listen to AM sporadically during the week.

Add iPods and cell phones to the mix and we all can see what challenges an AM, especially a stand-alone directional AM, faces in the economic marketplace. JIBGUY makes an impassioned plea, but I'd offer that his situation and succes are unique to his area of operation, the years of operation and the number of listeners and demographics available in his stations' marketplaces.

It's encouraging to hear from former WARM employees here and reading their stories. You'll long be appreciated and respected. And if it's worth anything, screw doing voicetracks for 12.50 an hour! Tell 'em where they can put that! Unfortunately, the stories recall a different time, different technology and most important different consumers/customers that have little connection with what's in demand these days.
 
Element9 said:
Channel Surf said:
It seems odd to me that no one can make a big regional signal like this some what successful...
It's not for lack of wanting. Most of us radio junkies love the lure of these AM stations. But it's like loving a 57 Chevy Bel Aire, black, with red interior, 302 (I think) V8, three on the column. Sweet. But these days, a Ford Focus gets you from point A to point B more comfortably, economically and it has CD, AC, moon roof, reclining seats, automatic and a six cylinder engine with plenty of power.

Many good analogies have been made about these AMs and the great times long past. But it's 2009. Many of us seasoned veterans think we have the magic elixer to revive AM stations like WARM and make them work. Fantasy.

For a while, I thought a good engineer with AM directional experience had all the advantages to reviving these monsters and held the key to bringing them back. These guys have the working technical knowledge and smarts to deal with the nuances of AM directionals.

But "fixing and buying" requires money, and money in radio comes from selling and there has to be a product to sell and there has to be a buyer for what's being sold. So, as you can see, the progression leads to the listener. Today, the listener, even 50+ listener, has so many options that AM barely (if at all) figures into the equation.

As I write this, I'm on line, have my email open, I'm listening to NPR on an FM station and my TV is on CNBC (courtesy of FiOS) with the sound muted. It's about 7:45. Thirty years ago, I might be listening to the morning guy on the AM Top 40 station playing ABBA and doing phoney phone calls to unsuspecting listeners. Today? I have three media sources running at once. AM isn't one of them, although I do listen to AM sporadically during the week.

Add iPods and cell phones to the mix and we all can see what challenges an AM, especially a stand-alone directional AM, faces in the economic marketplace. JIBGUY makes an impassioned plea, but I'd offer that his situation and succes are unique to his area of operation, the years of operation and the number of listeners and demographics available in his stations' marketplaces.

It's encouraging to hear from former WARM employees here and reading their stories. You'll long be appreciated and respected. And if it's worth anything, screw doing voicetracks for 12.50 an hour! Tell 'em where they can put that! Unfortunately, the stories recall a different time, different technology and most important different consumers/customers that have little connection with what's in demand these days.

WARM's problems have really brought out--in droves--those who absolutely, positively refuse to believe what they see and hear in real life.

Chicago's #1 & #2 billing radio stations for 2008: WBBM(AM) & WGN(AM). New York City's #2 & #4 billers: WINS(AM) & WCBS(AM). LA's #3 biller--and the third-highest billing radio station in the United States: KFI(AM).

That must be infuriating.

AM is dead, dammit! And WARM isn't worth a half-million in technical repairs and a half-million-dollar-a-year programming budget required to put it into position to bill, say, $3 million a year and spin off 40% cash flow.

Sorry to interrupt. Y'all can go back to the "AM is Dead" rant...
 
Good take, Element9.

The financial reality of radio...AM radio in particular...will be a cold slap in the face to those who believe that all AM can be saved simply through programming. As you mentioned, the competition for the attention of listeners is at an all-time high. I myself spend more time with my CrackBerry than listening to radio. I am not unique in that regard...

Not only is there competition for listeners, but the competition for advertising dollars is absolutely stunning. Community newspapers and 'shopper' type rags have exploded with the advent of digital printing. Cable TV has become the 800 pound gorilla in the room, with the ability to target not only by channel, but by region... And the prices are entirely reasonable.

As to WARM, this little controversy has had more people talking about WARM than have in a decade. Okay, it's back on the air. Great! Now we can go back to ignoring it.

Kudos to Vince Sweeney for his post...and his great take on life at his blog. Radio ain't what it used to be, and it never really was that great. It's funny how the magic of radio really does get even more ethereal the more you know about it.
 
I just want to say a few things and I hope I dont offend anyone. I dont really post very often but I do follow the boards a lot. I can really see the nostalgic value in wanting to keep a heritage am station alive...but does anyone think that maybe its time to let go and embrace newer forms of broadcasting. here are many of old school djs and many ex-djs who recently lost their jobs due to the economy and corporate mis-management. I think eachand everyone of you should consider either joining forces or if you can handle the work load, staring your own internet radio stations. Most of you have at the very least a rudimentary understanding of the day to day operations of how to run a radio station. the technology is affordable, accessible to the consumers and growing at a fantastic rate...far faster then HD radio (from what I have read)....and if you have done radio then there will always be someone out there who remembers you. I'm not trying to anger the AM and FM lovers on his board, But mearly pointing out that instead of complaining about "how bad the corporate broadcaster have made things" Take some of that energy and help build the future of truly local truly independent broadcasting in your community. And If you think I am full of it and need to keep my opinions to myself thats fine no hard feelings, But I have been on the air online now since January, Just launched a community internet radio station that has 18 djs with another 6 lined up, and we seem to ba able to make enough money to keep our lights on. So please consider this, Bring an Independent voice back to your community.
Thank you and please forgive the spelling errors
 
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