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Was Mutual cheaper for news feeds?

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kturnerga

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Hi!
I have listened to stations not broadcasting any news. I wondered if it was because of no cheap news service feed. Then I thought, "What if there was a modern version of Mutual Radio News?"

Was subscribing to the Mutual network any cheaper than say, ABC or CBS? I still remember their muffled sound and the "Loo-dup" that preceded the spots in the middle of the newscast.

Now that MBS is gone I wonder if someone- either an overseas outfit or an American entity- would allow small stations with canned programming to do news feeds?
 
If memory serves me correctly, Mutual was on a barter basis. There was money for ABC, and you had to fit their profile, and no other stations within X number of miles carrying it, for example, we could not carry ABC in Cordele because Hawkinsville already was an ABC affiliate.
 
I was just about to post that same comparison between ABC and Mutual. Straight barter (no cash) would be preferable to cash plus clearing network spots as ABC requires.

Today, although USA/IRN Radio News may not be the best (they, too, have a "muffled sound" and it ain't no CBS World News Roundup), but IIRC they are barter, very flexible about clearances and have a rep for being easy to work with. I have some quibbles with their content, but they seem to have no shortage of small market affiliates.
 
USA/IRN is largely religious programming from what I gather. But if their hourly news does the job.... I came around after the lengthy news shows on radio (NBC's "Monitor") pretty well faded. Gosh I remember the Douglas Edwards "World" shows on CBS as his career ground down.

Radio news will still be with us though you may have to find a news-talk station before listening in. Will the FM's go more and more to news-talk as time goes by and we see Internet radio, Ipods, and the whole nine yards?
 
SRN News, from the Salem Radio Network delivers a 5 minute hourly newscast in addition to 30 after and 53 after the hour one minute newscasts, in addition to a three minute newscast right before the hour.The Salem Radio Network's parent company is Salem Communications, the largest religious broadcaster in addition to being the 5th largest broadcaster in the United States.
 
Here in Florida we have the Florida News Network, a Clear Channel product based in Orlando from their flagship WFLA news/talk station. For our two rural stations it gives us more of a local sound to concentrate on FL news instead of CNN or whatever. The price is right- straight barter. From what I read they also offer this in Alabama and Virginia.

Fond memories of Mutual at the first station I worked at back in 1964. In addition to news they fed "Music Beyond the Stars" easy listening music in the evening when I was a baby board op.
 
The first station I worked for in 1979 used feeds from both ABC-Information (during the day)
and Mutual during overnights and a few other times. We had to use a patch panel in a couple of ways to retrieve the "MUTUAL SPOT" for playback later. I remember having to record the Mutual spots during most of Sunday, for one thing.

Mutual was primarily used to broadcast the Larry King show during the overnights. The station bartered the spots in exchange for the network. They paid some cash/some barter for ABC-I.
 
Mutual was barter. CNN is barter. A lot of stations don't want to give up the spot slots for news.
 
kturnerga said:
USA/IRN is largely religious programming from what I gather.

That's the "quibble" I referred to. They sometimes stick in an item about organized religion that no one else would include, but apart from that it's the same stories you'd see highlighted on the AP wire. (They also have sportscasts, which are pretty difficult to insert theology into.)

Another poster pointed to CNN which is a good suggestion, but I believe CNN Radio recently bagged the traditional five minute TOH and currently offers shorter :)60 and :120) headline newscasts.
 
There is definitely room, and a lot of room, for news and information especially in non-television markets where the only alternative to fast news and information is the internet or the local newspaper. If you will notice, a lot of smaller market newspapers are much more aggressive on line than they were 10 years ago because they see the power in local news and information. I also believe that most markets could support a full service FM (news, weather, sports, talk, markets...whatever) because radio can deliver the information in more places, more often than any other media in theory.
 
One reason there were so many Mutual Network stations was CBS and NBC were the prestige networks and they were very very selective about which stations were affiliates. Even into the late 1970s, early 1980s, neither would take a daytime station unless there was some special circumstance like the one in Eastman, GA. WUFF(AM) was daytime only but Stuckey's, headquartered in Eastman, was a big NBC Radio advertiser and the network wanted Mr. Stuckey to hear his ads. Each network wouldn't consider another affiliate unless they were at least 50 air miles apart.

If the station was in a market of 15,000 people or more (city population) the networks would pay the stations.

ABC took their only radio news network and divided it up and it became several in the late 1960s... Information, Contemporary, Entertainment and FM. The difference was how the news was presented with FM being the most "hip" and Information the most "traditional" Information came over the loop at top of hour. Contemporary at :55....Entertainment at :30 and FM was either :45 or :15 after.

Because ABC had four networks vs one they took affifliates everywhere. Paul Harvey was the big draw for ABC Radio Network and they did keep some mileage seperation on his affiliates. I think he was actually part of the Entertainment Network but some of the older ABC affiliates got first pick. Like WMGA in Moultrie was Information and they had Harvey. WALG in Albany was Contemporary but they had Paul Harvey. There were ABC affiliates who didn't have Harvey, lots of them.

Most small market affiliates for Harvey paid $150 per month.

That left Mututal for everyone else and it appeared they only provided in market protection. Numerous stations in neighboring counties had Mutual. I don't know if the network every made money. It went bankrupt several times and at one point was owned by Amway...the Lifesavers Candy people owned it once. The big thing with Mutual was they were the first to install satellite receivers at affiliates allowing affiliates to drop what could be rather expensive phone lines or "loops" as we called them.

To have Mutual was nothing special. To have Harvey from ABC meant you had an easy program to sell. Many stations ran his Noon Show twice...12 noon hour and 1 p.m. hour. To have CBS or NBC meant you were an old line prestige station or the network had a unqiue reason to want your station such as WMOG in Brunswick had CBS because a number of big CBS advertisers and staff had homes on Sea Island.

I was able to get CBS on then 10,000 watt WMGA because WMAZ in Macon dropped CBS to get Paul Harvey on ABC. Then CBS was paying WMAZ $1500 per month. CBS took WMGA because it felt its secondary signal filled in some of the territory lost by WMAZ. That was their rationale..didn't make much sense to me but it allowed us to get CBS even though WMGA overlapped WGPC, WPAX and WTIF which had CBS.

kturnerga said:
Hi!
I have listened to stations not broadcasting any news. I wondered if it was because of no cheap news service feed. Then I thought, "What if there was a modern version of Mutual Radio News?"

Was subscribing to the Mutual network any cheaper than say, ABC or CBS? I still remember their muffled sound and the "Loo-dup" that preceded the spots in the middle of the newscast.

Now that MBS is gone I wonder if someone- either an overseas outfit or an American entity- would allow small stations with canned programming to do news feeds?
 
Bengalsfan said:
If memory serves me correctly, Mutual was on a barter basis. There was money for ABC, and you had to fit their profile, and no other stations within X number of miles carrying it, for example, we could not carry ABC in Cordele because Hawkinsville already was an ABC affiliate.

WCEH was an ABC Program Service Plan (PSP) station, created for small markets with the birth of the 4-network concept. The stations (initially) paid $100.00 per month, had their choice of programs from any of the 4 demographic networks (that weren’t being cleared by another, nearby affiliate) and were not required to clear any commercial inventory.

There were many other PSP stations...WWNS/Statesboro was one of them. At WWNS, we never cleared a network commercial. If we had no local sponsor, we played a PSA instead of the network commercial.

As I understood it, these stations had little value to the network, so they weren’t compensated for clearance, and I suppose it made monetary sense to ABC to pick up a few bucks from each. The stations also had to pay for line (loop) charges from the nearest affiliate’s telco hub. These stations were not shown on most lists of ABC affiliates.

In 1993, ABC told me that WCEH-AM/FM was the last PSP station in the country, and our new contract required inventory clearance...PLUS $150.00 a month!

I can only assume that the PSP contract was the reason WMJM/WFAV couldn’t get ABC. WCEH primarily carried ABC/C programming, so ABC/I, ABC/FM or ABC/E should’ve been available. Of course, it might’ve been Americus that was the blocker. WISK was a full ABC/I affiliate, and WDEC was a full ABC/C affiliate. ABC/E might’ve been blocked because of WDWD in Dawson.


artsutton said:
One reason there were so many Mutual Network stations was CBS and NBC were the prestige networks and they were very very selective about which stations were affiliates. Even into the late 1970s, early 1980s, neither would take a daytime station unless there was some special circumstance like the one in Eastman, GA. WUFF(AM) was daytime only but Stuckey's, headquartered in Eastman, was a big NBC Radio advertiser and the network wanted Mr. Stuckey to hear his ads. Each network wouldn't consider another affiliate unless they were at least 50 air miles apart.

If the station was in a market of 15,000 people or more (city population) the networks would pay the stations.

ABC took their only radio news network and divided it up and it became several in the late 1960s... Information, Contemporary, Entertainment and FM. The difference was how the news was presented with FM being the most "hip" and Information the most "traditional" Information came over the loop at top of hour. Contemporary at :55....Entertainment at :30 and FM was either :45 or :15 after.

Because ABC had four networks vs one they took affifliates everywhere. Paul Harvey was the big draw for ABC Radio Network and they did keep some mileage seperation on his affiliates. I think he was actually part of the Entertainment Network but some of the older ABC affiliates got first pick. Like WMGA in Moultrie was Information and they had Harvey. WALG in Albany was Contemporary but they had Paul Harvey. There were ABC affiliates who didn't have Harvey, lots of them.

Most small market affiliates for Harvey paid $150 per month.

That left Mututal for everyone else and it appeared they only provided in market protection. Numerous stations in neighboring counties had Mutual. I don't know if the network every made money. It went bankrupt several times and at one point was owned by Amway...the Lifesavers Candy people owned it once. The big thing with Mutual was they were the first to install satellite receivers at affiliates allowing affiliates to drop what could be rather expensive phone lines or "loops" as we called them.

To have Mutual was nothing special. To have Harvey from ABC meant you had an easy program to sell. Many stations ran his Noon Show twice...12 noon hour and 1 p.m. hour. To have CBS or NBC meant you were an old line prestige station or the network had a unqiue reason to want your station such as WMOG in Brunswick had CBS because a number of big CBS advertisers and staff had homes on Sea Island.

I was able to get CBS on then 10,000 watt WMGA because WMAZ in Macon dropped CBS to get Paul Harvey on ABC. Then CBS was paying WMAZ $1500 per month. CBS took WMGA because it felt its secondary signal filled in some of the territory lost by WMAZ. That was their rationale..didn't make much sense to me but it allowed us to get CBS even though WMGA overlapped WGPC, WPAX and WTIF which had CBS.

NBC was quicker to affiliate with small-market stations than CBS, although there were some exceptions to that. WTHO in Thomson was an NBC affiliate when they signed-on in 1971. WKOG in Gordon was also an NBC station by 1974. The WUFF story is a fact, although it was Pet Milk (who then owned Stuckey’s) that complained to NBC.
 
WUFE Baxley was an ABC Contemporary affiliate in the late 70s, recieving the feed from the WDAX subcarrier in McRae. At times it was too static filled to put on the air. It was still a good way to replace the old teletype machine. WBSG Blackshear was the first station in this neck of the woods to have a satellite dish and reciever for news coverage from Mutual. I still remember your exclusive G135 satellite weather forecast.
 
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