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washington stations blown up, will there be any ripple efects

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avalone

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i think everyone's heard by now that Z104 in washington was blown up yesterday (wed), does anyone think that CC Or Cox might Do The Same in the richmond market or in the roanoke market, because there plenty of bad stations in both areas like y101 in richmond and 1079 in roanoke.
 
Avalone, Not sure about Roanoke, because when I am out there in that neck of the woods, I am listening to either my I-Pod or more so, Sirius. Now, as far as the Richmond market, well there are some possibilites, but going into that for a minute. First of all, the shake-up is NOT over with yet with Bonneville, as they are changing 1500am and 107.7fm to a Washington Post radio network(also likey to get the nationals as well).

Here in Richmond, I can see Y101 going further downhill, the guy they just hired for PD, is(laughs harder) someone who recently started up a "Free FM" station. I predicted with some friends that the only thing that was going to hold up WJFK(Free FM 106.7, 105.7)was Don and Mike, along with Redskins Radio. I don't think however that Cox will do anything to really shake up things. Liberty signing on was predictable, given that we had NO "jack" like outlet yet for music, which is what it is essentially. Maybe, it's possible for Cox to get Y101 to the 100.9 frequency(better signal) then maybe go Hot Talk and Modern Rock, just like 96X. Mancow(mornings), Don and Mike(afternoons) and the best Modern Rock the rest of the time. Oh and get Loveline from the X and see if the planet can get NASCAR.

CC could do a HUGE shakeup but probably won't. The last one was bringing in 102.1 the X from WRXL. When I think about it, Lite98 is still up at the top, The Beat is getting a hit for replacing Doug Banks with Star and Buc Wild, but after that show is off the air, the listeners come back. The X is still winning the alt rock war. WRVA will remain in the top 10 with it's 95% republican talking points format(I count out MOST of the weekend shows, except Matt Drudge and I also count out Coast to Coast). WRNL, well they will stay the course, they are in a dogfight for sports talk with WXGI. Q94 might tweak slightly towards more R&B-HipHop, if they get desparate, but I think that CC is a safe bet to stay the course.

Cox probably won't go with any changes due to ONE reason. K95 is a goldmine(usually is either number 1 or damn near close to it). So with that station raking in the money, they won't bother worrying about the other stations hitting a profit. Going to make up a few hypothetical situations though, just for fun. If Y101 were to change formats to Rythmic hits(ala Z104, Norfolk), they just MIGHT get into a fight with Q94, Power 92 and 106.5 the Beat. Let's also see into the ball here and just say that The Planet, in a effort to get more ratings, picks up some of the 80's alt and starts a war with Liberty. Mix 103.7 however, is going to be the odd man out per say. I don't see her doing anything, Cox is NOT worried about losing money on that station and that is a good thing, because they are losing more money than Universal is with King Kong.

If by chance they do flip Mix, I am thinking in a MAJOR shakeup that will have a effect, it turns into a WTOP like news station. Mix has a good signal that goes into Williamsburg, Northern VA(actually picked it up at Potomac Mills)and west towards Charlottesville. If it were to go all news, WRVA would take a HIT, because Rush alone does not a station make. Think about that for a minute, The morning show has been suffering since Timberlake, Harding, Miller the Mallard, and Arore(god bless his soul)all left. Afternoons, well Mac is NOT doing good in the ratings as they would have like to have seen. Rush is holding up the 50,000 watt stick that goes up and down the east coast at night. Where 990 went wrong was easy to point out, the signal at night makes college radio look strong. That and it was straight AP news, very little local news. I would have it like WTOP(local, national, world, weather, sports, traffic) all the time with local people reporting it. If it does come to pass(probably won't, but hell, it would be nice to see someone go to bat with it on FM), CC will be pitching terrible two's like fits on how they own newsradio. I would LOVE to see this come to pass, but deep down inside I am laughing because I know cox won't do it.
 
> well about what you said it's the same situation with me i just got my first mp3 player and i've been slowly filling it up but about the stations, i'd nearly forgotten abouut y101's switch to the other frequency,cox blowing up y101 for either a freefm sort of thing or air america (but i know that won't happen and 'sides i can get the air america podcast anyway) but cox getting loveline or nascar ain't gonna happen because wrva's got the rights to nascar later this winter and unless cox wants to start a pissing war with cc i don't think that'll happen, but about 'rva again i did not know the mac situation that his ratings were going down hill, but about liberty i mean they were advertised as a free form hybrid but they've failed in every way, about mix cox might do something like bonneville but there not going to blow up there cash cow k95 not a chance in hell<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by VARTV on 01/06/06 11:59 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Ava, I have a soft place in my heart for WTOP, they are the first people I listen to when I am in the DC area unless Elliot or Don and Mike are on. They are the cream of the crop as far as news goes for the DC area. I will typically go to them, then surf for something on the music end, pending on where in the area I am in and what mood I am in at the time. If we had a WTOP like news station down here, I can assure you that it will do something to WRVA that they at CC could really start to worry about, send it out of the top 10.

K95 will remain untouched, for them to get cut down would be like taking a popular movie franchise and then all of a sudden going well off base of the original idea, just to make millions. Cox got into a major cash cow with K95, hell if you want ANY proof, more people are leaving The Planet for the Wolf than K95 listeners.

Liberty fails in the impression department as we are now into the fifth month of this station being without jocks on the air. The Buzz took about 2 and a half months, BOB out of Norfolk took about the same time as well. The X took about a month to get LOCAL jocks on the air(as opposed to Elliot followed by all VTing from Conn.). As a friend of mine, Bopst, said a few months back, they took all the mainstream hits from the last 35 years and plugged it in, without a regard to deeper cuts. No Smiths, very little Cure, Very few Clash tunes, NO SEX PISTOLS(CRYS, loves the sex pistols), Few little Talking Heads. Just a focus on the billboard charts it seems. Either they get deeper tracks and ACTUAL JOCKS on the air, or the station is going to SINK!

WRVA is getting NASCAR? Well I guess CC decided that the active rock 102.1 was NOT a good fit for the NASCAR crowd. Just what they needed to do with it(saying it sarcastically) send it to the home of ALL of the RIGHT WINGED talkers. I was judging Mac given that even though the ratings are still in the top 10, they are NOT as strong as they were when Jim Jacobs was there, or when Alan Price(loudmouth expert) was trying to get Reva Trammel to fess up on the air. Then again, in WRVA's defense, they do carry UVA football and basketball but for them to nab NASCAR is a crapshoot at best.

Y101 to my knowledge has NOT gotten the new station frequency granted yet by the FCC, so until they do, watch for them to continue to get the teeth knocked out of them. 6,000 watts loses to 25,000 watts when it comes to listeners with the same format.
 
> Ava, I have a soft place in my heart for WTOP, they are the
> first people I listen to when I am in the DC area unless
> Elliot or Don and Mike are on. They are the cream of the
> crop as far as news goes for the DC area. I will typically
> go to them, then surf for something on the music end,
> pending on where in the area I am in and what mood I am in
> at the time. If we had a WTOP like news station down here, I
> can assure you that it will do something to WRVA that they
> at CC could really start to worry about, send it out of the
> top 10.
>
> K95 will remain untouched, for them to get cut down would be
> like taking a popular movie franchise and then all of a
> sudden going well off base of the original idea, just to
> make millions. Cox got into a major cash cow with K95, hell
> if you want ANY proof, more people are leaving The Planet
> for the Wolf than K95 listeners.
>
> Liberty fails in the impression department as we are now
> into the fifth month of this station being without jocks on
> the air. The Buzz took about 2 and a half months, BOB out of
> Norfolk took about the same time as well. The X took about a
> month to get LOCAL jocks on the air(as opposed to Elliot
> followed by all VTing from Conn.). As a friend of mine,
> Bopst, said a few months back, they took all the mainstream
> hits from the last 35 years and plugged it in, without a
> regard to deeper cuts. No Smiths, very little Cure, Very few
> Clash tunes, NO SEX PISTOLS(CRYS, loves the sex pistols),
> Few little Talking Heads. Just a focus on the billboard
> charts it seems. Either they get deeper tracks and ACTUAL
> JOCKS on the air, or the station is going to SINK!
>
> WRVA is getting NASCAR? Well I guess CC decided that the
> active rock 102.1 was NOT a good fit for the NASCAR crowd.
> Just what they needed to do with it(saying it sarcastically)
> send it to the home of ALL of the RIGHT WINGED talkers. I
> was judging Mac given that even though the ratings are still
> in the top 10, they are NOT as strong as they were when Jim
> Jacobs was there, or when Alan Price(loudmouth expert) was
> trying to get Reva Trammel to fess up on the air. Then
> again, in WRVA's defense, they do carry UVA football and
> basketball but for them to nab NASCAR is a crapshoot at
> best.
>
> Y101 to my knowledge has NOT gotten the new station
> frequency granted yet by the FCC, so until they do, watch
> for them to continue to get the teeth knocked out of them.
> 6,000 watts loses to 25,000 watts when it comes to listeners
> with the same format.
> yep they wrva anounced it during the last richmond race, it does seem to be a little odd i mean why not put it on 910 or keep it On the X
 
> Ava, I have a soft place in my heart for WTOP, they are the
> first people I listen to when I am in the DC area unless
> Elliot or Don and Mike are on. They are the cream of the
> crop as far as news goes for the DC area. I will typically
> go to them, then surf for something on the music end,
> pending on where in the area I am in and what mood I am in
> at the time. If we had a WTOP like news station down here, I
> can assure you that it will do something to WRVA that they
> at CC could really start to worry about, send it out of the
> top 10.
>
> K95 will remain untouched, for them to get cut down would be
> like taking a popular movie franchise and then all of a
> sudden going well off base of the original idea, just to
> make millions. Cox got into a major cash cow with K95, hell
> if you want ANY proof, more people are leaving The Planet
> for the Wolf than K95 listeners.
>
> Liberty fails in the impression department as we are now
> into the fifth month of this station being without jocks on
> the air. The Buzz took about 2 and a half months, BOB out of
> Norfolk took about the same time as well. The X took about a
> month to get LOCAL jocks on the air(as opposed to Elliot
> followed by all VTing from Conn.). As a friend of mine,
> Bopst, said a few months back, they took all the mainstream
> hits from the last 35 years and plugged it in, without a
> regard to deeper cuts. No Smiths, very little Cure, Very few
> Clash tunes, NO SEX PISTOLS(CRYS, loves the sex pistols),
> Few little Talking Heads. Just a focus on the billboard
> charts it seems. Either they get deeper tracks and ACTUAL
> JOCKS on the air, or the station is going to SINK!
>
> WRVA is getting NASCAR? Well I guess CC decided that the
> active rock 102.1 was NOT a good fit for the NASCAR crowd.
> Just what they needed to do with it(saying it sarcastically)
> send it to the home of ALL of the RIGHT WINGED talkers. I
> was judging Mac given that even though the ratings are still
> in the top 10, they are NOT as strong as they were when Jim
> Jacobs was there, or when Alan Price(loudmouth expert) was
> trying to get Reva Trammel to fess up on the air. Then
> again, in WRVA's defense, they do carry UVA football and
> basketball but for them to nab NASCAR is a crapshoot at
> best.
>
> Y101 to my knowledge has NOT gotten the new station
> frequency granted yet by the FCC, so until they do, watch
> for them to continue to get the teeth knocked out of them.
> 6,000 watts loses to 25,000 watts when it comes to listeners
> with the same format.
>
so cox will continue to get it's teeth knocked in by cc so hot talk or a jock talk or even more far out maybe air america on y101 or is richmond just too stupid for good radio to notice
 
Ava, one thing you need to remember about the south, the further south you go, the more conservative it gets. Air America won't see the light of day here in our fair city. Although there is a liberal base(I being a part of it)there is too much of a conservative root here to justify air america being here. It's something that I don't think will come here. Same with Lex and Terry, I don't see them here either.

I would move Nascar to 910 or sell the rights of it to K95. Just something about Nascar and right winged talk that doesn't work.
 
> If by chance they do flip Mix, I am thinking in a MAJOR
> shakeup that will have a effect, it turns into a WTOP like
> news station. Mix has a good signal that goes into
> Williamsburg, Northern VA(actually picked it up at Potomac
> Mills)and west towards Charlottesville. If it were to go all
> news, WRVA would take a HIT,

Cox has made some dumb moves here but an all news station in Richmond would be the dumbest. The market isn't big enough for a full time, all news station. I can't think of a market anywhere in the country this size that has one....or even one like WBZ in Boston that is all news from say, 5am to 8 pm, then going talk. It simply costs too much (unless you were going to run CNN or some national feed for most of the day which would probably make such a move pointless).

Heck, Dallas/Ft. Worth, the fifth radio market, can't even make an all news station work (Although KYW in Philadelphia, a slightly smaller market has been very successful for more than 30 years).

There just aren't enough listeners, or for that matter, news here for an all news station. Wish we had one though. Makes me wonder, what is the smallest market with an all news station(or mostly news)? Wonder if anything out of the top ten would fit that description?
 
> > If by chance they do flip Mix, I am thinking in a MAJOR
> > shakeup that will have a effect, it turns into a WTOP like
>
> > news station. Mix has a good signal that goes into
> > Williamsburg, Northern VA(actually picked it up at Potomac
>
> > Mills)and west towards Charlottesville. If it were to go
> all
> > news, WRVA would take a HIT,
>
> Cox has made some dumb moves here but an all news station in
> Richmond would be the dumbest. The market isn't big enough
> for a full time, all news station. I can't think of a
> market anywhere in the country this size that has one....or
> even one like WBZ in Boston that is all news from say, 5am
> to 8 pm, then going talk. It simply costs too much (unless
> you were going to run CNN or some national feed for most of
> the day which would probably make such a move pointless).
>
> Heck, Dallas/Ft. Worth, the fifth radio market, can't even
> make an all news station work (Although KYW in Philadelphia,
> a slightly smaller market has been very successful for more
> than 30 years).
>
> There just aren't enough listeners, or for that matter, news
> here for an all news station. Wish we had one though. Makes
> me wonder, what is the smallest market with an all news
> station(or mostly news)? Wonder if anything out of the top
> ten would fit that description?
>
Pittsburgh has an all news station run by thr Pittsburgh Tribune. It is the former legendary rocker, KQV , and it is mostly CNN with local news thrown in.

As for liberal talk in Richmond, wouldn't the Ukrop Family have to approve first? Based on history, I wouldn't think so. However, I do remember Gov.Wilder had a call-in show on WRVA and Page Wilson can get mighty lib'ral at times. As for Bopst, I left Richmond in 2001 and never heard his show. I assume Bopst is a liberal based on this board, but who knows.
 
> >
> Pittsburgh has an all news station run by thr Pittsburgh
> Tribune. It is the former legendary rocker, KQV , and it is
> mostly CNN with local news thrown in.
>
Okay....but Pitsburgh is the 23rd market with more than twice as many people
as in the Richmond area. Richmond is 56th. And I just checked the 12 plus numbers.....they're ranked 20th with a 1.1. But the discussion at hand, I thought, was for a REAL all news station, like WTOP, with significant local coverage, not something that carries a national news feed with some local break ins.

Basically, it's about the same reason the Richmond area doesn't have a major league baseball or football franchise here and Pittsburgh does....it's big enough for one and we're not. But apparently, Pittsburgh is not big enough for a
REAL all news station either.

> As for liberal talk in Richmond, wouldn't the Ukrop Family
> have to approve first? Based on history, I wouldn't think
> so.

Well, we KNOW they would have to approve Stern if he comes back.

>As for Bopst, I left Richmond in 2001 and never heard his show. I
> assume Bopst is a liberal based on this board, but who
> knows.

I don't know about is his politics but he's got an afternoon show from one to four on (sorry Chris, I'm getting old and having trouble remembering call letters) 1450 playing off the wall, hard to define music. I describe him to people who've never heard him as the local Dr. Demento. He had his mom on the show a couple of years ago on another station. Any guy with the guts to do that is okay in my book.
 
Hi Morning, welcome to the board. Cox is not worried about making a profit off of WMXB, it's why they have turned it into mostly a automated station with few signs of life in it. The morning shows have been a revolving door. Jon Berry seems to be the ONLY thing holding up that station, but in that regard you can't count on one person or show to hold up a station. The same goes for WDYL, given that it's a station getting killed by the X.

We had a all news station here in the mid-late 90's. What killed that station I still think is that AM990's night signal was so poor, it made college radio look listenable in your car, much less your home. Never say never for any format here, well except for AAA, which sadly I won't ever see out here anymore.
 
> Hi Morning, welcome to the board. Cox is not worried about
> making a profit off of WMXB, it's why they have turned it
> into mostly a automated station with few signs of life in
> it.

Yep.....there's a laundry list of what's wrong with Mix. The music doesn't rotate very well and as you pointed out,lame morning shows that come and go. Can't say much for their liner positioning or the person who voices them. And I agree, from what I've heard, Jon Berry DOES a good job. But their whole effort here appears to be protecting K95.

>
> We had a all news station here in the mid-late 90's. What
> killed that station I still think is that AM990's night
> signal was so poor, it made college radio look listenable in
> your car, much less your home. Never say never for any
> format here,

Okay, I won't say NEVER....but I think it'll be after we get a ballpark in the bottom. 990 doesn't have a signal and if that was Davidson Broadcasting, they've got no clue or committment. Look at all they screwed up with WTOX. Hey, I guess Richmond or any market could support a "repeater" all news station like a CNN feed but not a real all news station. It's too expensive. And for anybody who remember's ill fated NIS(NBC's News and Information Service) in about 1976, there's too little local and all too much filler features that don't relate to anybody.
 
Jon has been here for ages morning. He was a member of the first Q morning zoo back in the early 80's. Back then, it was a morning show to be dealt with. Nowadays though, sorry but the Q zoo is making American Idiol look good and I frankly hate that show with a passion. They tried having Jon on the morning shift when Mix103.7 came on the air post B103. I don't think they will ever get a morning show that will stay on longer than 18 months, Just a bad state of affairs over there, all to protect K95 and 2 ignorant idiots known as John Boy and Billy.

From what I can tell, Davidson is more or less thinking about Spanish-Southern Gospel for a company down here. The reason why I was thinking cox would take in a all news station ala WTOP is easy, because CC has WRVA. Which has during the week 95% talk from the republican right(thus it has the Ukrops seal of approval). As for Air America, stick to the pod casts and web streaming, not going to happen out here. Hell, they have a hard enough time staying afloat with their ratings as is.

As for the Stern factor, there is always Elliot on 102.1 the X. I am a little stunned that Infinity didn't talk to Elliot about leaving CC for a wider syndicated deal, he and Stern are similar in some areas. Another Stern like show though down here, not going to happen unless Lex and Terry show up. Even if they were to show up, then LOL, look out for cries of explict content.
 
Let me define myself here for those who don't know my show (and there are millions)...

I play all different types of music; not just left field. I play Nina Simone, The Who, Charles Mingus, Lee Hazlewood, Toots & The Maytals, Eartha Kitt, Slayer, Beethoven, Johnny Cash, etc.

The catch phase I use is: Richmond's Magical Mystery Tour through yesterday, today and tomorrow forever designed to fight, tooth and nail, the unrelenting tyranny of corporate mandated play lists and genre specific formatting.

Seems simple enough to me...

For some reason, people who have never heard the show seem to think that I play solely obscure music. That is not the case. If playing music that commercial radio ignores labels me as weird, I guess I am guilty as charged, but, if you can actually listen to the show, you'll soon realize I am a child weaned on the musical hook. I love catchy music (who doesn't, right?). And catchy music to me could be Indonesian tribal music to George Jones to The Clash to Bach...

I like to think of my show as a mix of Dr. Demento, John Peel (you guys know who he is right?) and Wolfman Jack and the only test for music I play is is it catchy, funny or interesting...

Personality driven music radio is what I do. In an era of banal uniform conformity, I guess that makes me crazy.

Oh and I almost forgot: You can listen to the show on line during show hours. Listening to it will give a clear idea about what my show is alll about:

Interested? Listen in at: http://www.wclmradio.com



<P ID="signature">______________
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.wclmradio.com/pages/bopst.html>The Bopst Show</a>
Monday-Friday (1-4 PM EST-USA)
WCLM 1450 AM
Richmond, Virginia
http://www.wclmradio.com
Request Line: (804) 231-7685

</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bopst on 01/09/06 05:11 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Jon has been here for ages morning. He was a member of the
> first Q morning zoo back in the early 80's. Back then, it
> was a morning show to be dealt with. Nowadays though, sorry
> but the Q zoo is making American Idiol look good and I
> frankly hate that show with a passion. They tried having Jon
> on the morning shift when Mix103.7 came on the air post
> B103. I don't think they will ever get a morning show that
> will stay on longer than 18 months, Just a bad state of
> affairs over there, all to protect K95 and 2 ignorant idiots
> known as John Boy and Billy.
>
> From what I can tell, Davidson is more or less thinking
> about Spanish-Southern Gospel for a company down here. The
> reason why I was thinking cox would take in a all news
> station ala WTOP is easy, because CC has WRVA. Which has
> during the week 95% talk from the republican right(thus it
> has the Ukrops seal of approval). As for Air America, stick
> to the pod casts and web streaming, not going to happen out
> here. Hell, they have a hard enough time staying afloat with
> their ratings as is.
>
> As for the Stern factor, there is always Elliot on 102.1 the
> X. I am a little stunned that Infinity didn't talk to Elliot
> about leaving CC for a wider syndicated deal, he and Stern
> are similar in some areas. Another Stern like show though
> down here, not going to happen unless Lex and Terry show up.
> Even if they were to show up, then LOL, look out for cries
> of explict content.

Does MIX have a full day of live personalities, or just morning and PM drive like most COX stations in Tampa?
>
 
> Let me define myself here for those who don't know my show
> (and there are millions)...
>
> I play all different types of music; not just left field. I
> play Nina Simone, The Who, Charles Mingus, Lee Hazlewood,
> Toots & The Maytals, Eartha Kitt, Slayer, Beethoven, Johnny
> Cash, etc.
>
> The catch phase I use is: Richmond's Magical Mystery Tour
> through yesterday, today and tomorrow forever designed to
> fight, tooth and nail, the unrelenting tyranny of corporate
> mandated play lists and genre specific formatting.
>
> Seems simple enough to me...
>
> For some reason, people who have never heard the show seem
> to think that I play solely obscure music. That is not the
> case. If playing music that commercial radio ignores labels
> me as weird, I guess I am guilty as charged, but, if you can
> actually listen to the show, you'll soon realize I am a
> child weaned on the musical hook. I love catchy music (who
> doesn't, right?). And catchy music to me could be Indonesian
> tribal music to George Jones to The Clash to Bach...
>
> I like to think of my show as a mix of Dr. Demento, John
> Peel (you guys know who he is right?) and Wolfman Jack and
> the only test for music I play is is it catchy, funny or
> interesting...
>
> Personality driven music radio is what I do. In an era of
> banal uniform conformity, I guess that makes me crazy.
>
> Oh and I almost forgot: You can listen to the show on line
> during show hours. Listening to it will give a clear idea
> about what my show is alll about:
>
> Interested? Listen in at: http://www.wclmradio.com

Where were you in 2000?
>
 
> Does MIX have a full day of live personalities, or just
> morning and PM drive like most COX stations in Tampa?


Pretty unique how that works. Besides mornings and afternoons, the rest of the shifts have random VT'ers. One day, somebody will VT nights, the next night, no VT! Then the night after that will be someone else! Gaaah! This is how to do REAL radio, no?

Radio-X
<P ID="signature">______________
"Raindrops on Roses
Happy Disney Animals
This make my parts hurt." -Fight Club</P>
 
> > Does MIX have a full day of live personalities, or just
> > morning and PM drive like most COX stations in Tampa?
>
>
> Pretty unique how that works. Besides mornings and
> afternoons, the rest of the shifts have random VT'ers. One
> day, somebody will VT nights, the next night, no VT! Then
> the night after that will be someone else! Gaaah! This is
> how to do REAL radio, no?
>
> Radio-X
>
Cox doesn't even bother with VT'ing down here. They just run jockless except WWRM which is live from 5AM to 7PM and then Delilah all evening and all night.
 
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