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Wasted signals

There are many stations around this country that have lots of power, and have good signals that serve a market well, but they are wasted with formats that get few listeners.

Here are a few examples: WSPO 1390 in Charleston. 5kw, 80 year old heritage as WCSC and WXTC, probably second best AM signal in town, but has a tourism information format on a taped 30 minute loop, with maybe five billboards around town promoting.

94.5 in Greenville. A great 100kw signal serving the Upstate of SC, has been wasted for 40 years as easy listening from Bob Jones University and now Salem conservative talk.

Your examples?
 
94.7 WFME was a wasted signal for over 50 years in the New York area broadcasting Family Radio. It was the best signal in North Jersey by far, but it switched to NASH FM this past January.
 
WQEW 1560 in New York City.

50,000 watts.

Disney Radio. Quoting a buddy's disassociated comment, the format is 'a Mickey Mouse operation'.

Since Arbitron has been gauging listenership of that all-important 6-11 demo in NYC, I have not seen this station 'show' in any book.

WQEW reaches all the way to here in NEPA 24/7 -- always did.

Lore has it that young people establish their musical tastes (for life) at age 12 or 13. WQEW 1560 somehow broadcasts to an 'audience' at least a precocious year younger than that, and who wouldn't know an AM radio dial from a pay phone booth anyway.

* * * * * * *

I hear ya, Charleston.
Up the coast a ways, on Long Island, your WCSC 1390 was pretty much a 'given' on a lot of nighttime DX sessions.
 
WBAI 99.5 is a full class B signal with no first adjacents for 80 miles. It should be making a huge profit if it had a commercially viable format, but instead it's a mashup of far left talk that doesn't even appeal to most liberals. The company is doing terrible financially, and it's about to lay off its entire staff at the end of the month, and presumably shut down. It can't even pay the tower rent! I hope it goes off the air so I get an open frequency temporarily.
 
Any station that is silent would fit, such as:
92.3 WBNZ Frankfort, MI (50kW)
99.3 WOUF Beulah, MI (50kW)
106.3 WMXG Stephenson, MI (50kW)

Among stations that are active:
102.9 WFUR Grand Rapids, MI (50kW from the center of Grand Rapids, religious format, runs similar programming to sister AM which is getting an FM translator soon, is a non-subscriber to Arbitron but most feel it ranks behind WYGR, a 500W daytimer on 1530 with an FM translator)

And I second WBAI. I think Citadel should buy that frequency, move Nash FM to 99.5, and launch an alternative station on 94.7.
 
Any AM station that simulcasts an FM and does not cover a significant area not covered by the FM sister (the only logicale for doing that - reverse compatibility with AM radios, no longer applies, as just about any radio in regular use has FM receive capability). Note that this does not apply to powerful AMs with FM translators, such as CFCO and WCHB.

WDFN 1130 - a 50,000 watt "sports" station with little or any sportscasts, at least that I know of, in a market with so many other sports offerings. The battle is over, WXYT-FM won, and it shows up in WDFN's ratings (er, does it show up in the ratings?).
I'm sure Birach would love to get his hands on this facility.

Kinda off-topic, since I'm talking about TV, but WPBN (virtual 7/actual 47) and WGTU (virtual and actual 29) simulcast each-other's program on their .2 streams. This had been done when the two stations broadcast from different tower sites, and WPBN was actual channel 50. For the last several years, they have both transmitted from the same tower, anywhere one could see WPBN on 29.2, they can see it on 7.1, and almost anywhere one can see 7.2, they can see it on 29.1, so half of each channel is wasted, they could put something useful on them, or just drop them, resulting in a better HD picture on both dot-1s.
 
Steve, I can get WQEW 1560 here in Tampa at night.

I too never understood that kind of a format on AM radio.

I'd think most young teens nowadays don't even know what AM radio is because there are so many other advanced options to hear music that aren't even from the radio.


And I think there are WAY too many sports stations. I don't get that one either.
 
Here are some of my choices on wasted signals:

90.5 WRTW Crown Point, IN, which signed on in the last year by the First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN, though the license has it owned by their college, Hyles Anderson College, but First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN operates the station. It's a 3.1kw Class B1 that transmits their signal from Lake Dalecarlia (south of Cedar Lake from WYIN TV's tower). Not only does it have a boring religious format, but the signal also interferes with 90.1 WMBI-FM in some areas, along with a Class B that's on 90.5 from the DeKalb area. Supposedly, WRTW's signal is going farther than it's supposed to go.

91.9 WJCH Joliet, IL is on the bird 24/7 with Family Radio. It's a 50kw signal that barely reaches Gary, IN

92.7 WCPT-FM Arlington Heights, IL, which also simulcasts on 92.5 WCPY DeKalb, IL, & 99.9 WCPQ Park Forest, IL. All three of these stations that are owned by Newsweb Corporation simulcast the AM station from 5am - 9pm daily, which is Progressive Talk (or Liberal Talk). WCPT-FM is a 3kw Class A that covers the northern suburbs of Chicagoland, WCPY is a 20kw Class B that mainly covers DeKalb & Rockford markets, but does reach the far western suburbs of Chicagoland, & WCPQ is a 50kw that serves south Chicagoland, along with the Kankakee area (original COL for this station was Kankakee, IL). From 9pm - 5am daily, they air Dance Factory Radio, which is a brokered program.

95.5 WNUA Chicago, which is doing a Regional Mexican format. There's already 3 stations doing the same format, & 105.1 has been able to overall beat 107.9 at the format, & except for a couple of months, they've outperformed 95.5 as well. Since CC dropped Smooth Jazz from the station, they've been trying to beat Univision in the ratings with a format targeted at the Hispanic community, & failed at it. They did a Spanish CHR, & now Regional Mexican, & losing steam, while dragging 107.9's rating even further down. This is a 50kw equivalent station, as all stations that broadcast from the John Hancock & Sears Tower operate on anywhere from 4 - 8kw, depending on antenna height.

102.3 WYCA Crete, IL is also a wasted signal. They have a gospel format on the station, but their targeted demos barely live in the primary contours, & barely heard on the south side of Chicago, due to the station's antenna being on a 500' tower in Beecher, IL (a farm community). At only 1.05kw, their signal overall doesn't serve the people in the contour.


On the AM side, 950 WNTD Chicago & 1270 WWCA Gary, IN both carry the Relevant Radio network 24/7, with almost nothing local.

1300 WRDZ LaGrange, IL has the Radio Disney format, so no need for explanation.

1370 WLTH Gary, IN to me is a wasted signal, just because they're using equipment that causes lots of humming, that you really can't hear what people are saying on the radio. While this station has new owners, they're barely able to get problems fixed around there. They're at new studios somewhere in Merrillville, IN, but they're still using the same day & night time sites that have been neglected for years. Since they're operating on 1 tower at 1kw during the day, I can't see why they just don't operate at the night time site on 1 of the 4 towers in Hobart, IN. Their daytime site in Gary can easily be broken into, & people could get away with it, since the shack is at street level, while the shack at the night time site is farther away from the road. They're supposed to only operate at 500 watts at night on 4 towers, but sometimes stay on daytime power at night as well.
 
Dave said:
Here are some of my choices on wasted signals:

90.5 WRTW Crown Point, IN, which signed on in the last year by the First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN, though the license has it owned by their college, Hyles Anderson College, but First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN operates the station. It's a 3.1kw Class B1 that transmits their signal from Lake Dalecarlia (south of Cedar Lake from WYIN TV's tower). Not only does it have a boring religious format, but the signal also interferes with 90.1 WMBI-FM in some areas, along with a Class B that's on 90.5 from the DeKalb area. Supposedly, WRTW's signal is going farther than it's supposed to go.



I dislike that station intensely. Not only do they render WNIU unlistenable all the way over in the far western suburbs of Chicago where it used to have a usable signal, they also bother adjacent channel classical WAUS 90.7 as far east at Michigan City. This is just another example of the AM-ization of the FM band, ruining otherwise listenable signals because someone found a consultant who could shoehorn in another station in an already overcrowded area.
 
Definitely WQEW, used to be classical then adult standards.

Also, WYFI 99.7 Norfolk, VA, and any other stations owned by BBN? Can you imagine what it plays on Saturdays at 10:30 AM EST or so?
 
Steve Green NEPA said:
WQEW 1560 in New York City.

Agreed! WQEW used to be a great station, IMHO. I remember when they were classical, but it was their 'standards' format era, which I really miss. They'd often have live performances in the studios, with some great performers. It was a distinctive voice from the New York music/arts scene. When listening, from up in here in rural Ontario, you felt you were tapping into something unique, tapping into part of what made NYC great...it's music scene. But....now? Useless, sterile, non-distinctive pablum.

~BG
 
Steve Green NEPA said:
WQEW 1560 in New York City.

50,000 watts.

Disney Radio.

We get it. A lot of you don't like Radio Disney. That doesn't change the fact that they are the closest thing to top-40 AM like we had in the 60's left on the dial. And those 12-13 year olds were US - 50 years ago. Let kids have the experience of top-40 AM like we did.

If you want a real wasted signal - I would submit KCTA Corpus Christi, which has viable coverage in Houston and San Antonio, but a format that appeals to almost nobody.
 
1L6E6VHF said:
Any AM station that simulcasts an FM and does not cover a significant area not covered by the FM sister (the only logicale for doing that - reverse compatibility with AM radios, no longer applies, as just about any radio in regular use has FM receive capability). Note that this does not apply to powerful AMs with FM translators, such as CFCO and WCHB.

WDFN 1130 - a 50,000 watt "sports" station with little or any sportscasts, at least that I know of, in a market with so many other sports offerings. The battle is over, WXYT-FM won, and it shows up in WDFN's ratings (er, does it show up in the ratings?).
I'm sure Birach would love to get his hands on this facility.

Kinda off-topic, since I'm talking about TV, but WPBN (virtual 7/actual 47) and WGTU (virtual and actual 29) simulcast each-other's program on their .2 streams. This had been done when the two stations broadcast from different tower sites, and WPBN was actual channel 50. For the last several years, they have both transmitted from the same tower, anywhere one could see WPBN on 29.2, they can see it on 7.1, and almost anywhere one can see 7.2, they can see it on 29.1, so half of each channel is wasted, they could put something useful on them, or just drop them, resulting in a better HD picture on both dot-1s.
Speaking of WPBN, why can't they just move their full-power site to Harrietta, where they have a translator? At least WTOM and WGTQ are located at different sites. In that same market, WWTV and WFQX do the same thing, but their northern rebroadcasters (WFUP and WWUP) are a significant distance apart.

Speaking of BBN, none of the stations have their own Wikipedia pages. Some of them had histories prior to being bought by BBN (95.5 in Salt Lake City comes to mind).
 
Nick said:
WBAI 99.5 is a full class B signal with no first adjacents for 80 miles. It should be making a huge profit if it had a commercially viable format, but instead it's a mashup of far left talk that doesn't even appeal to most liberals. The company is doing terrible financially, and it's about to lay off its entire staff at the end of the month, and presumably shut down. It can't even pay the tower rent! I hope it goes off the air so I get an open frequency temporarily.
That "Company" (If I'm not mistaken) is Pacifica Radio, NPR's competition. Not likely to shut down anytime soon.....

Cheers & 73 ;D
 
Pat Cook said:
Nick said:
WBAI 99.5 is a full class B signal with no first adjacents for 80 miles. It should be making a huge profit if it had a commercially viable format, but instead it's a mashup of far left talk that doesn't even appeal to most liberals. The company is doing terrible financially, and it's about to lay off its entire staff at the end of the month, and presumably shut down. It can't even pay the tower rent! I hope it goes off the air so I get an open frequency temporarily.
That "Company" (If I'm not mistaken) is Pacifica Radio, NPR's competition. Not likely to shut down anytime soon.....

Cheers & 73 ;D

Pacifica is broke. They might have to sacrifice WBAI to stay alive. Plus, since they are so behind on their tower rent, they might get shut down if they don't pay it soon.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
Steve Green NEPA said:
WQEW 1560 in New York City.

50,000 watts.

Disney Radio.

We get it. A lot of you don't like Radio Disney. That doesn't change the fact that they are the closest thing to top-40 AM like we had in the 60's left on the dial. And those 12-13 year olds were US - 50 years ago. Let kids have the experience of top-40 AM like we did.

If you want a real wasted signal - I would submit KCTA Corpus Christi, which has viable coverage in Houston and San Antonio, but a format that appeals to almost nobody.

If Radio Disney had been around 50 years ago, what would they have played? There is an interesting discussion along that line discussing competing Top 40 formats in the late 1960s, and how some skewed to preteens, on a nostalgic Top 40 Facebook Page. Some of those mentioned include The Cowsills, The Royal Guardsmen, The Monkees, and The Partridge Family.
 
@ RBruce :
>>'We get it. A lot of you don't like Radio Disney.' <<

It's not so much a dislike, RBruce, as it is a seeming exercise in futility. Disney's programming is very slick, and I've heard a few songs on it myself that I enjoyed enough to look for.

But I've seen them show up in exactly * one * book in the Disney era, and that was something like a 0.3 in the now-defunct Westchester (NY) book. Westchester County is where a lot of 1560's signal has gone for decades, anyway.

Down in Florida a decade or so back, another respectably signalled station in Orlando switched from Standards to Disney. WHOO were the calls when they were Standards. The nostalgia format died on the vine long ago. Yet, the numbers had been steady in the 1's for that format. The Disney format showed up spasmodically.

A third station with a huge signal (in the day, anyway) to change from Standards to Disney is WWJZ 640. It's for the brand being given Philadelphia visibility.
They are a no-show.

That is three PPM markets, where of course they gauge 6+ listening --and no one is listening!

Disney could get the same response, the same visibility and virtually the same effect, and more effriciently per watt, by putting it on WTMR 800 Camden, WRSO 810 Orlovista/Orlando, and WKDM 1380 in the Meadowlands.

Kids do not listen to AM radio, neither to small-signalled stations nor blowtorches. It doesn't matter how available, accessible and well-programmed the music is.

And heck .... we've all seen where the huge stations like WKBW, KAAY, CKLW, WPTR, et al have gone anyway. The AM dial is toast. Hence, you may be right, lol ! Why not Disney on them?
 
WJRZ"s translators. 100.7 in Toms River and 107.9, right where the original 100.1 broadcasts! I'm not sure why those two translators exist.
 
I'm still finding it difficult accepting that KVNS switched to sports.

It was the only station I could hear that reminded me so much of the golden days of AM in the 60s and 70s.

Sports stations are a dime a dozen.
 
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