Can this station be heard well in NYC and Nassau county? Their numbers in NYC are abyssmal, and of lower middlefeeder status in NJ. Just curious; it appears to be more of a "mission" than a real station, but with all the talk about FM talk it would seem that such a dog of a station would be a candidate if pried out of religious hands. Or would FM talk be worse than JACK in NYC? Of course I'm sitting on cloud nine here being so unrealistic, but j/c...
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> Can this station be heard well in NYC and Nassau county?
> Their numbers in NYC are abyssmal, and of lower middlefeeder
> status in NJ. Just curious; it appears to be more of a
> "mission" than a real station, but with all the talk about
> FM talk it would seem that such a dog of a station would be
> a candidate if pried out of religious hands. Or would FM
> talk be worse than JACK in NYC? Of course I'm sitting on
> cloud nine here being so unrealistic, but j/c...
>
ABYSMAL RATINGS? In Somerset, Middlesex, Union they are currently getting better ratings than....
WKTU-FM
WQXR-FM
WMTR-AM/WWTR-AM
WINS-AM
WDHA-FM
WPST-FM
WCBS-FM
WCTC-AM
WADO-AM
WTHK-FM
WLIB-AM
WEPN-AM
WHTG-FM
WWZY-FM/WBHX-FM
WBBR-AM
WMCA-AM
Actually they had a great summer book. If they didn't sell when they had no listeners, why would they sell when they have probably tripled the amount. You can argue that they don't do as well as many other stations in that market but remember they don't have clear channel to promote themselves. A 2.0 12+ in the ratings is a phenonimal showing for a station that two years ago was being beaten by WFME.
I love Star 99.1, I just wish they'd get rid of their stupid Morning Show. Now that's Abysmal.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Passafist on 10/18/05 02:42 PM.</FONT></P>
> Their numbers in NYC are abyssmal, and of lower middlefeeder
> status in NJ. Just curious; it appears to be more of a
> "mission" than a real station, but with all the talk about
> FM talk it would seem that such a dog of a station would be
> a candidate if pried out of religious hands. Or would FM
> talk be worse than JACK in NYC? Of course I'm sitting on
> cloud nine here being so unrealistic, but j/c...
>
ABYSMAL RATINGS? In Somerset, Middlesex, Union they are currently getting better ratings than....
WKTU-FM
WQXR-FM
WMTR-AM/WWTR-AM
WINS-AM
WDHA-FM
WPST-FM
WCBS-FM
WCTC-AM
WADO-AM
WTHK-FM
WLIB-AM
WEPN-AM
WHTG-FM
WWZY-FM/WBHX-FM
WBBR-AM
WMCA-AM
Actually they had a great summer book. If they didn't sell when they had no listeners, why would they sell when they have probably tripled the amount. You can argue that they don't do as well as many other stations in that market but remember they don't have clear channel to promote themselves. A 2.0 12+ in the ratings is a phenonimal showing for a station that two years ago was being beaten by WFME.
I love Star 99.1, I just wish they'd get rid of their stupid Morning Show. Now that's Abysmal.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Passafist on 10/18/05 02:42 PM.</FONT></P>
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
This station serves New Jersey and is not audible in NYC. unless you're on the far west side with a good radio. As with most religious station they do try to bill themselves as a NYC. station so they can claim they have a station in a large market when in fact they do not.
BTW, religious stations rarely sell as most are on a mission. Why else does WFME play organ music 24hrs. a day and take up a very valuable FM frequency in the number 1 market? Family radio will never sell that station. It doesn't matter that NO ONE listens.
This station serves New Jersey and is not audible in NYC. unless you're on the far west side with a good radio. As with most religious station they do try to bill themselves as a NYC. station so they can claim they have a station in a large market when in fact they do not.
BTW, religious stations rarely sell as most are on a mission. Why else does WFME play organ music 24hrs. a day and take up a very valuable FM frequency in the number 1 market? Family radio will never sell that station. It doesn't matter that NO ONE listens.
WAWZ cannot be heard well in NYC. proper unless you are on the westside with a good radio. You are right about the station being on a mission. Most of the religious stations are...you know Republicans, right wing, family values, ooopss wrong board.
FM talk radio was tried in NYC. with WNEW after their demize of the rock format.
It didn't succeed.
I doubt it will be tried again here.
FM talk radio was tried in NYC. with WNEW after their demize of the rock format.
It didn't succeed.
I doubt it will be tried again here.
> WAWZ cannot be heard well in NYC. proper unless you are on
> the westside with a good radio. You are right about the
> station being on a mission. Most of the religious stations
> are...you know Republicans, right wing, family values,
> ooopss wrong board.
Jeffrey:
I can pick up Star 99.1 WAWZ in Jamaica, Queens nice and clear.
Yes, Christian formatted stations do appeal to Right-wing family values Republicans like myself.
Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin L. Sealy</P>
> the westside with a good radio. You are right about the
> station being on a mission. Most of the religious stations
> are...you know Republicans, right wing, family values,
> ooopss wrong board.
Jeffrey:
I can pick up Star 99.1 WAWZ in Jamaica, Queens nice and clear.
Yes, Christian formatted stations do appeal to Right-wing family values Republicans like myself.
Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin L. Sealy</P>
> Jeffrey:
>
> I can pick up Star 99.1 WAWZ in Jamaica, Queens nice and
> clear.
>
> Yes, Christian formatted stations do appeal to Right-wing
> family values Republicans like myself.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin L. Sealy
>
You must have a good radio. I live on the westside of Manhattan and while I rarely try to pick it up, the station is not audible from my apartment.
>
> I can pick up Star 99.1 WAWZ in Jamaica, Queens nice and
> clear.
>
> Yes, Christian formatted stations do appeal to Right-wing
> family values Republicans like myself.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin L. Sealy
>
You must have a good radio. I live on the westside of Manhattan and while I rarely try to pick it up, the station is not audible from my apartment.
> > Jeffrey:
> >
> > I can pick up Star 99.1 WAWZ in Jamaica, Queens nice and
> > clear.
> >
> > Yes, Christian formatted stations do appeal to Right-wing
> > family values Republicans like myself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin L. Sealy
> >
> You must have a good radio. I live on the westside of
> Manhattan and while I rarely try to pick it up, the station
> is not audible from my apartment.
>
I have heard WAWZ in Westchester county, fighting with WPLR out of New Haven.<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
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> >
> > I can pick up Star 99.1 WAWZ in Jamaica, Queens nice and
> > clear.
> >
> > Yes, Christian formatted stations do appeal to Right-wing
> > family values Republicans like myself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin L. Sealy
> >
> You must have a good radio. I live on the westside of
> Manhattan and while I rarely try to pick it up, the station
> is not audible from my apartment.
>
I have heard WAWZ in Westchester county, fighting with WPLR out of New Haven.<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471</P>
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
>
> BTW, religious stations rarely sell as most are on a
> mission. Why else does WFME play organ music 24hrs. a day
> and take up a very valuable FM frequency in the number 1
> market? Family radio will never sell that station. It
> doesn't matter that NO ONE listens.
>
The problem is PEOPLE DO LISTEN! Despite the fact people wanting every station they dont like to be another format, These Christian stations do fill a niche. It's no different then the Asian formated or the Spanish formated stations that "I cant understand" while I dont listen to them nor understand even what their saying, I know their targeting a demographic, and these Christian/Relgious stations do the same.
Personally I like a lot of Christian music, even some of this "organish" music, no different then the Classical Stations cater to me more than the "hip hop" stations, in my personal tastes.
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>
> BTW, religious stations rarely sell as most are on a
> mission. Why else does WFME play organ music 24hrs. a day
> and take up a very valuable FM frequency in the number 1
> market? Family radio will never sell that station. It
> doesn't matter that NO ONE listens.
>
The problem is PEOPLE DO LISTEN! Despite the fact people wanting every station they dont like to be another format, These Christian stations do fill a niche. It's no different then the Asian formated or the Spanish formated stations that "I cant understand" while I dont listen to them nor understand even what their saying, I know their targeting a demographic, and these Christian/Relgious stations do the same.
Personally I like a lot of Christian music, even some of this "organish" music, no different then the Classical Stations cater to me more than the "hip hop" stations, in my personal tastes.
<P ID="signature">______________
Lenks
Program Director/Music Director
X Music Online
The X
Today's Best Music
http://www.xmusiconline.com/</P>
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
>>
> The problem is PEOPLE DO LISTEN! Despite the fact people
> wanting every station they dont like to be another format,
> These Christian stations do fill a niche. It's no different
> then the Asian formated or the Spanish formated stations
> that "I cant understand" while I dont listen to them nor
> understand even what their saying, I know their targeting a
> demographic, and these Christian/Relgious stations do the
> same.
>
> Personally I like a lot of Christian music, even some of
> this "organish" music, no different then the Classical
> Stations cater to me more than the "hip hop" stations, in my
> personal tastes.
>
You're right...everything serves it's niche but WFME never shows in the ratings while hispanic and some asian stations do. There is nothing wrong with WFME filling it's miniscule niche but to take up a full powered fm frequency in New York City is incredible.
Family Radio does this simply to fullfill their "mission" in market number 1 not because they believe in entertaining their audience with organ music!
>>
> The problem is PEOPLE DO LISTEN! Despite the fact people
> wanting every station they dont like to be another format,
> These Christian stations do fill a niche. It's no different
> then the Asian formated or the Spanish formated stations
> that "I cant understand" while I dont listen to them nor
> understand even what their saying, I know their targeting a
> demographic, and these Christian/Relgious stations do the
> same.
>
> Personally I like a lot of Christian music, even some of
> this "organish" music, no different then the Classical
> Stations cater to me more than the "hip hop" stations, in my
> personal tastes.
>
You're right...everything serves it's niche but WFME never shows in the ratings while hispanic and some asian stations do. There is nothing wrong with WFME filling it's miniscule niche but to take up a full powered fm frequency in New York City is incredible.
Family Radio does this simply to fullfill their "mission" in market number 1 not because they believe in entertaining their audience with organ music!
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
> >>
> > The problem is PEOPLE DO LISTEN! Despite the fact people
> > wanting every station they dont like to be another format,
>
> > These Christian stations do fill a niche. It's no
> different
> > then the Asian formated or the Spanish formated stations
> > that "I cant understand" while I dont listen to them nor
> > understand even what their saying, I know their targeting
> a
> > demographic, and these Christian/Relgious stations do the
> > same.
> >
> > Personally I like a lot of Christian music, even some of
> > this "organish" music, no different then the Classical
> > Stations cater to me more than the "hip hop" stations, in
> my
> > personal tastes.
> >
> You're right...everything serves it's niche but WFME never
> shows in the ratings while hispanic and some asian stations
> do. There is nothing wrong with WFME filling it's miniscule
> niche but to take up a full powered fm frequency in New York
> City is incredible.
> Family Radio does this simply to fullfill their "mission" in
> market number 1 not because they believe in entertaining
> their audience with organ music!
>
You wrote:
"...but to take up a full powered fm frequency in
New York City is incredible."
WFME is licensed to Newark, not New York City. A very
important distinction since if it ever leaves its
religion format its owners should concentrate on serving
the community to which it has been assigned. It should not
be available to those who want to fill gaps in music formats
in New York City.
> >>
> > The problem is PEOPLE DO LISTEN! Despite the fact people
> > wanting every station they dont like to be another format,
>
> > These Christian stations do fill a niche. It's no
> different
> > then the Asian formated or the Spanish formated stations
> > that "I cant understand" while I dont listen to them nor
> > understand even what their saying, I know their targeting
> a
> > demographic, and these Christian/Relgious stations do the
> > same.
> >
> > Personally I like a lot of Christian music, even some of
> > this "organish" music, no different then the Classical
> > Stations cater to me more than the "hip hop" stations, in
> my
> > personal tastes.
> >
> You're right...everything serves it's niche but WFME never
> shows in the ratings while hispanic and some asian stations
> do. There is nothing wrong with WFME filling it's miniscule
> niche but to take up a full powered fm frequency in New York
> City is incredible.
> Family Radio does this simply to fullfill their "mission" in
> market number 1 not because they believe in entertaining
> their audience with organ music!
>
You wrote:
"...but to take up a full powered fm frequency in
New York City is incredible."
WFME is licensed to Newark, not New York City. A very
important distinction since if it ever leaves its
religion format its owners should concentrate on serving
the community to which it has been assigned. It should not
be available to those who want to fill gaps in music formats
in New York City.
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
>
> WFME is licensed to Newark, not New York City. A very
> important distinction since if it ever leaves its
> religion format its owners should concentrate on serving
> the community to which it has been assigned. It should not
> be available to those who want to fill gaps in music formats
>
> in New York City.
>
OK, riddle me this then:
100.3 Z-100; WHTZ, licensed to Newark, NJ; targeted at NYC
VHF TV Ch.9; WWOR; licensed to Secaucus, NJ; targeted at NYC (changed the COL from NYC in 1982)
????????????????????????????????????????????
If 94.7 or 99.1 want to go after NYC, let them; it's like down here in South FL; West Palm Beach radio stations going for a Miami audience, some with barely a city grade signal past Pompano Beach. 60 miles between them.
>
> WFME is licensed to Newark, not New York City. A very
> important distinction since if it ever leaves its
> religion format its owners should concentrate on serving
> the community to which it has been assigned. It should not
> be available to those who want to fill gaps in music formats
>
> in New York City.
>
OK, riddle me this then:
100.3 Z-100; WHTZ, licensed to Newark, NJ; targeted at NYC
VHF TV Ch.9; WWOR; licensed to Secaucus, NJ; targeted at NYC (changed the COL from NYC in 1982)
????????????????????????????????????????????
If 94.7 or 99.1 want to go after NYC, let them; it's like down here in South FL; West Palm Beach radio stations going for a Miami audience, some with barely a city grade signal past Pompano Beach. 60 miles between them.
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
> >
> > WFME is licensed to Newark, not New York City. A very
> > important distinction since if it ever leaves its
> > religion format its owners should concentrate on serving
> > the community to which it has been assigned. It should not
>
> > be available to those who want to fill gaps in music
> formats
> >
> > in New York City.
> >
>
> OK, riddle me this then:
>
> 100.3 Z-100; WHTZ, licensed to Newark, NJ; targeted at NYC
> VHF TV Ch.9; WWOR; licensed to Secaucus, NJ; targeted at NYC
> (changed the COL from NYC in 1982)
>
> ????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> If 94.7 or 99.1 want to go after NYC, let them; it's like
> down here in South FL; West Palm Beach radio stations going
> for a Miami audience, some with barely a city grade signal
> past Pompano Beach. 60 miles between them.
>
No riddle Batman. WHTZ, WWOR-TV, and many other
hijacked stations flagrantly violate their obligation
to serve the area to which they are licensed. That they
do doesn't justify others doing the same, including
WFME.
From your perspective in Florida, northern New Jersey
might seem like a non-entity. I can assure you that
it is populated by millions of people who are every
bit as deserving of local radio service as any other American.
West Palm Beach and Miami are at least part of the same
state with many shared interests. Newark and New York City
are not related by demograhics, politics, or economy.
Those who live in this area understand that. Those who
live in New York, sadly, don't.
> >
> > WFME is licensed to Newark, not New York City. A very
> > important distinction since if it ever leaves its
> > religion format its owners should concentrate on serving
> > the community to which it has been assigned. It should not
>
> > be available to those who want to fill gaps in music
> formats
> >
> > in New York City.
> >
>
> OK, riddle me this then:
>
> 100.3 Z-100; WHTZ, licensed to Newark, NJ; targeted at NYC
> VHF TV Ch.9; WWOR; licensed to Secaucus, NJ; targeted at NYC
> (changed the COL from NYC in 1982)
>
> ????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> If 94.7 or 99.1 want to go after NYC, let them; it's like
> down here in South FL; West Palm Beach radio stations going
> for a Miami audience, some with barely a city grade signal
> past Pompano Beach. 60 miles between them.
>
No riddle Batman. WHTZ, WWOR-TV, and many other
hijacked stations flagrantly violate their obligation
to serve the area to which they are licensed. That they
do doesn't justify others doing the same, including
WFME.
From your perspective in Florida, northern New Jersey
might seem like a non-entity. I can assure you that
it is populated by millions of people who are every
bit as deserving of local radio service as any other American.
West Palm Beach and Miami are at least part of the same
state with many shared interests. Newark and New York City
are not related by demograhics, politics, or economy.
Those who live in this area understand that. Those who
live in New York, sadly, don't.
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
WFME is licensed to NJ but so are many other New York City stations.
NY/NJ is the SAME Metro area thus making up the country's number 1 market.
When one refers to market number 1 it is a given that you are referring to the New York Metropolitan area thus also referring to NJ.
Where the station is licensed makes no difference. The fact of the matter is that the signal is wasted be it in NJ or NY.
WAWZ is another matter. It's signal barely penetrates the city and although they try to target NY., most people can't get it. It is a true NJ station although they don't want to be.
WFME is licensed to NJ but so are many other New York City stations.
NY/NJ is the SAME Metro area thus making up the country's number 1 market.
When one refers to market number 1 it is a given that you are referring to the New York Metropolitan area thus also referring to NJ.
Where the station is licensed makes no difference. The fact of the matter is that the signal is wasted be it in NJ or NY.
WAWZ is another matter. It's signal barely penetrates the city and although they try to target NY., most people can't get it. It is a true NJ station although they don't want to be.
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
> WFME is licensed to NJ but so are many other New York City
> stations.
> NY/NJ is the SAME Metro area thus making up the country's
> number 1 market.
> When one refers to market number 1 it is a given that you
> are referring to the New York Metropolitan area thus also
> referring to NJ.
> Where the station is licensed makes no difference. The fact
> of the matter is that the signal is wasted be it in NJ or
> NY.
>
> WAWZ is another matter. It's signal barely penetrates the
> city and although they try to target NY., most people can't
> get it. It is a true NJ station although they don't want to
> be.
>
Metropolitan areas are defined as contiguous locations
that share common interests, be they economic, demographic,
or political. While New York City borders such places as
Bayonne, Elizabeth, Jersey City, Union City, etc. it
shares little in common with them other than the weather.
The federal government defines metropolitan areas and
recognizes several in the region, including the Newark
Metropolitan Area. The criteria for such determinations
are the ties that bind urban and suburban areas together.
Certainly, the counties in New Jersey do not share a
common political interest with New York City. The vast
majority of people in northern New Jersey work in other
locations in New Jersey, not New York. Shopping and
other aspects of the economy also are not shared.
New York political and economic interests would like you
to believe that northern New Jersey is part of the "New
York Metropolitan Area." It's not, but those interests
benefit if they can convince others that the population
in northern New Jersey relies on New York. Everything isn't
as it seems, so to speak.
The issue of the radio or TV market is another thing. It
has to do with the way the FCC has allocated broadcast
services. Frankly, for many decades there was just one..just
one...television assignment in all of New Jersey. That was
Channel 13, which, as we know, was effectively taken away
from the state in the 1960s. The distribution of those TV
allocations in the 1940s was anything but fair and equitable,
but the FCC has long been able to rule without supervision
by Congress. The broadcast tail wags the FCC dog to this
day. The media interests in New York City will not allow
any competition for the viewers and audience in northern
New Jersey and the FCC has long been willing to comply
with their requests.
As an aside, it's interesting to consider the bogus
phrase "Tri-State Area," that is so often used by
the New York media. New Jersey and Connecticut have
little connection with each other. Indeed, they are
considered to be in different parts of the country
(Mid-Atlantic and New England). A tri-state area
exists only for New Yorkers, not for those in either
of the other two states. I live in northern New Jersey
and my tri-state area includes Pennsylvania, which is
less than a half hour away. Yet the media from New York
that blankets my area tells my neighbors that they have
some connection with Connecticut. Basically, "tri-state
area" as used by the New York media is a marketing
phrase that has no basis in reality.
You wrote, "WFME is licensed to NJ but so are many other
New York City stations." Can you cite any stations that
are licensed to New York City but are really New Jersey
stations?
> WFME is licensed to NJ but so are many other New York City
> stations.
> NY/NJ is the SAME Metro area thus making up the country's
> number 1 market.
> When one refers to market number 1 it is a given that you
> are referring to the New York Metropolitan area thus also
> referring to NJ.
> Where the station is licensed makes no difference. The fact
> of the matter is that the signal is wasted be it in NJ or
> NY.
>
> WAWZ is another matter. It's signal barely penetrates the
> city and although they try to target NY., most people can't
> get it. It is a true NJ station although they don't want to
> be.
>
Metropolitan areas are defined as contiguous locations
that share common interests, be they economic, demographic,
or political. While New York City borders such places as
Bayonne, Elizabeth, Jersey City, Union City, etc. it
shares little in common with them other than the weather.
The federal government defines metropolitan areas and
recognizes several in the region, including the Newark
Metropolitan Area. The criteria for such determinations
are the ties that bind urban and suburban areas together.
Certainly, the counties in New Jersey do not share a
common political interest with New York City. The vast
majority of people in northern New Jersey work in other
locations in New Jersey, not New York. Shopping and
other aspects of the economy also are not shared.
New York political and economic interests would like you
to believe that northern New Jersey is part of the "New
York Metropolitan Area." It's not, but those interests
benefit if they can convince others that the population
in northern New Jersey relies on New York. Everything isn't
as it seems, so to speak.
The issue of the radio or TV market is another thing. It
has to do with the way the FCC has allocated broadcast
services. Frankly, for many decades there was just one..just
one...television assignment in all of New Jersey. That was
Channel 13, which, as we know, was effectively taken away
from the state in the 1960s. The distribution of those TV
allocations in the 1940s was anything but fair and equitable,
but the FCC has long been able to rule without supervision
by Congress. The broadcast tail wags the FCC dog to this
day. The media interests in New York City will not allow
any competition for the viewers and audience in northern
New Jersey and the FCC has long been willing to comply
with their requests.
As an aside, it's interesting to consider the bogus
phrase "Tri-State Area," that is so often used by
the New York media. New Jersey and Connecticut have
little connection with each other. Indeed, they are
considered to be in different parts of the country
(Mid-Atlantic and New England). A tri-state area
exists only for New Yorkers, not for those in either
of the other two states. I live in northern New Jersey
and my tri-state area includes Pennsylvania, which is
less than a half hour away. Yet the media from New York
that blankets my area tells my neighbors that they have
some connection with Connecticut. Basically, "tri-state
area" as used by the New York media is a marketing
phrase that has no basis in reality.
You wrote, "WFME is licensed to NJ but so are many other
New York City stations." Can you cite any stations that
are licensed to New York City but are really New Jersey
stations?
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
>While I can sympathize with New Jersey's lack of "local" based radio, radio waves see no state borders. The fact is that many in eastern NJ work in the city and actually live there because of it's proximity to the city as well.
NYC. is made up of 8.1 million people, it's logical that any station in it's surrounding community be it across a river or not is going to try and target that large population.
According to population stastics the New York Metropolitan Area is made up of CT, NY and NJ. You cannot dispute that. The same holds true for the radio market making it number 1 in the US.
>While I can sympathize with New Jersey's lack of "local" based radio, radio waves see no state borders. The fact is that many in eastern NJ work in the city and actually live there because of it's proximity to the city as well.
NYC. is made up of 8.1 million people, it's logical that any station in it's surrounding community be it across a river or not is going to try and target that large population.
According to population stastics the New York Metropolitan Area is made up of CT, NY and NJ. You cannot dispute that. The same holds true for the radio market making it number 1 in the US.
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
>
> Metropolitan areas are defined as contiguous locations
> that share common interests, be they economic, demographic,
> or political.
Actually, the Bureau of Managment & Budget defines Metropolitan Statistica Areas and Consolidated Metropolitan statistical Areas. The keyword is "Budget." The definition is purely economic, and takes into account commute patterns, distribution of goods and services, and many other items related to economic activity.
The criteria has nothing to do with local politics, and the demographic data is a result of the market definition, not a cause.
> While New York City borders such places as
> Bayonne, Elizabeth, Jersey City, Union City, etc. it
> shares little in common with them other than the weather.
It is, economically, part of the NY metro.
>
> The federal government defines metropolitan areas and
> recognizes several in the region, including the Newark
> Metropolitan Area.
Just as San Jose is a separate metro, but embedded in the NY metro.
> The criteria for such determinations
> are the ties that bind urban and suburban areas together.
No, they are not. What binds a metro together is purely economic. Trade, commuting, etc.
> Certainly, the counties in New Jersey do not share a
> common political interest with New York City.
Which is why polital distinction are not part of the metro definition.
> The vast
> majority of people in northern New Jersey work in other
> locations in New Jersey, not New York. Shopping and
> other aspects of the economy also are not shared.
That is just wrong. How many Manhattan companies have warehousing, branches and offices in NJ, Westchester, Long Island and even out to Bridgeport? They are all interlaced. The local economies support the regional economy.
> The issue of the radio or TV market is another thing. It
> has to do with the way the FCC has allocated broadcast
> services.
No, it has to do with how people listen to radio or watch TV. Aribtron often has separate radio MSAs based on listening patterns that are bigger, smaller or different fromt he BMB definition.
> Frankly, for many decades there was just one..just
>
> one...television assignment in all of New Jersey. That was
> Channel 13, which, as we know, was effectively taken away
> from the state in the 1960s. The distribution of those TV
> allocations in the 1940s was anything but fair and
> equitable,
> but the FCC has long been able to rule without supervision
> by Congress.
The allocations in the 40's had to do with existing population and were fair at the time.
> The broadcast tail wags the FCC dog to this
> day. The media interests in New York City will not allow
> any competition for the viewers and audience in northern
> New Jersey and the FCC has long been willing to comply
> with their requests.
Wrong. There is no way of shoehorning in more FMs and TVs. The band is already overcongested. What happened in the 40's can not be changed.
>
> As an aside, it's interesting to consider the bogus
> phrase "Tri-State Area," that is so often used by
> the New York media. New Jersey and Connecticut have
> little connection with each other. Indeed, they are
> considered to be in different parts of the country
> (Mid-Atlantic and New England).
Economically, they are what used to be called a "trade area" and are interlocked like no other area in the US.
>
> Metropolitan areas are defined as contiguous locations
> that share common interests, be they economic, demographic,
> or political.
Actually, the Bureau of Managment & Budget defines Metropolitan Statistica Areas and Consolidated Metropolitan statistical Areas. The keyword is "Budget." The definition is purely economic, and takes into account commute patterns, distribution of goods and services, and many other items related to economic activity.
The criteria has nothing to do with local politics, and the demographic data is a result of the market definition, not a cause.
> While New York City borders such places as
> Bayonne, Elizabeth, Jersey City, Union City, etc. it
> shares little in common with them other than the weather.
It is, economically, part of the NY metro.
>
> The federal government defines metropolitan areas and
> recognizes several in the region, including the Newark
> Metropolitan Area.
Just as San Jose is a separate metro, but embedded in the NY metro.
> The criteria for such determinations
> are the ties that bind urban and suburban areas together.
No, they are not. What binds a metro together is purely economic. Trade, commuting, etc.
> Certainly, the counties in New Jersey do not share a
> common political interest with New York City.
Which is why polital distinction are not part of the metro definition.
> The vast
> majority of people in northern New Jersey work in other
> locations in New Jersey, not New York. Shopping and
> other aspects of the economy also are not shared.
That is just wrong. How many Manhattan companies have warehousing, branches and offices in NJ, Westchester, Long Island and even out to Bridgeport? They are all interlaced. The local economies support the regional economy.
> The issue of the radio or TV market is another thing. It
> has to do with the way the FCC has allocated broadcast
> services.
No, it has to do with how people listen to radio or watch TV. Aribtron often has separate radio MSAs based on listening patterns that are bigger, smaller or different fromt he BMB definition.
> Frankly, for many decades there was just one..just
>
> one...television assignment in all of New Jersey. That was
> Channel 13, which, as we know, was effectively taken away
> from the state in the 1960s. The distribution of those TV
> allocations in the 1940s was anything but fair and
> equitable,
> but the FCC has long been able to rule without supervision
> by Congress.
The allocations in the 40's had to do with existing population and were fair at the time.
> The broadcast tail wags the FCC dog to this
> day. The media interests in New York City will not allow
> any competition for the viewers and audience in northern
> New Jersey and the FCC has long been willing to comply
> with their requests.
Wrong. There is no way of shoehorning in more FMs and TVs. The band is already overcongested. What happened in the 40's can not be changed.
>
> As an aside, it's interesting to consider the bogus
> phrase "Tri-State Area," that is so often used by
> the New York media. New Jersey and Connecticut have
> little connection with each other. Indeed, they are
> considered to be in different parts of the country
> (Mid-Atlantic and New England).
Economically, they are what used to be called a "trade area" and are interlocked like no other area in the US.
Re: Metro Area Definition standards.
> >
> > Metropolitan areas are defined as contiguous locations
> > that share common interests, be they economic,
> demographic,
> > or political.
>
> Actually, the Bureau of Managment & Budget defines
> Metropolitan Statistica Areas and Consolidated Metropolitan
> statistical Areas. The keyword is "Budget." The definition
> is purely economic, and takes into account commute patterns,
> distribution of goods and services, and many other items
> related to economic activity.
For a precise definition of what a MSA or MA or CMSA is, go to...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg/metroareas122700.pdf
> >
> > Metropolitan areas are defined as contiguous locations
> > that share common interests, be they economic,
> demographic,
> > or political.
>
> Actually, the Bureau of Managment & Budget defines
> Metropolitan Statistica Areas and Consolidated Metropolitan
> statistical Areas. The keyword is "Budget." The definition
> is purely economic, and takes into account commute patterns,
> distribution of goods and services, and many other items
> related to economic activity.
For a precise definition of what a MSA or MA or CMSA is, go to...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg/metroareas122700.pdf
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
> West Palm Beach and Miami are at least part of the same
> state with many shared interests. Newark and New York City
> are not related by demograhics, politics, or economy.
> Those who live in this area understand that. Those who
> live in New York, sadly, don't.
How bizarre. My NY offices are in two locations in Midtown, and one great big on in NJ and a backup site, also in NJ. Half our staff lives in NJ and works in the city.
>
> West Palm Beach and Miami are at least part of the same
> state with many shared interests. Newark and New York City
> are not related by demograhics, politics, or economy.
> Those who live in this area understand that. Those who
> live in New York, sadly, don't.
How bizarre. My NY offices are in two locations in Midtown, and one great big on in NJ and a backup site, also in NJ. Half our staff lives in NJ and works in the city.
>
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
>
> How bizarre. My NY offices are in two locations in Midtown,
> and one great big on in NJ and a backup site, also in NJ.
> Half our staff lives in NJ and works in the city.
> >
>
Hey David, where in NJ (since I'm a NJ native, just curious) are both of your company's offices?
Yeh I used to commute from Woodbridge (Middlesex County) to NYC everyday many years ago.
>
> How bizarre. My NY offices are in two locations in Midtown,
> and one great big on in NJ and a backup site, also in NJ.
> Half our staff lives in NJ and works in the city.
> >
>
Hey David, where in NJ (since I'm a NJ native, just curious) are both of your company's offices?
Yeh I used to commute from Woodbridge (Middlesex County) to NYC everyday many years ago.
Re: WAWZ, a New Jersey station
> >
> > How bizarre. My NY offices are in two locations in
> Midtown,
> > and one great big on in NJ and a backup site, also in NJ.
> > Half our staff lives in NJ and works in the city.
> > >
> >
> Hey David, where in NJ (since I'm a NJ native, just curious)
> are both of your company's offices?
Teaneck (corporate accounting and HR), Teaneck (WXTV except sales) and Carlstadt (Radio backup). In addtion, TV and radio have separate offices in the city.
> >
> > How bizarre. My NY offices are in two locations in
> Midtown,
> > and one great big on in NJ and a backup site, also in NJ.
> > Half our staff lives in NJ and works in the city.
> > >
> >
> Hey David, where in NJ (since I'm a NJ native, just curious)
> are both of your company's offices?
Teaneck (corporate accounting and HR), Teaneck (WXTV except sales) and Carlstadt (Radio backup). In addtion, TV and radio have separate offices in the city.
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