WAWZ

[davideduardo]

Re: Back to WAWZ.

>
> To bring the issue around on point, perhaps David can tell
> us whether he thinks WAWZ is a New York or New Jersey radio
> station. What say you David?
>

The 70 dbu of that station does not come within even stricking distance of any part of NYC or NY state. It's entire limited coverage is in New Jersey. It is, of course, totally within the NY MSA, however.

So, for audience, it is a New Jersey stations that servies a portion of the NY metro area, just as there are stations in Gary, IN, that serve a portion of the Chicago metro.

 

[Harold]

Re: There is no one American culture.

> >
> >
> > This discussion is going very far afield of the purpose
> > and intent of the site and this particular forum. So I
> > don't want to go on ad naseum. It should be obvious to
> > those who have been reading these posts that David has
> > a viewpoint that is very different than most Americans
> > and, I suspect, of most readers of this forum. He sees
> > America as a collection of widely different people who
> > share in common only the location in which they sleep
> > at night.
>
> That is not what I said. I said that America is an
> amalgamation of cultures, with wide regional and ethnic and
> racial extremes, but which somehow gfet along most of the
> time.
>
> > I invite the readers to type "American Culture"
> > into any search engine and see the number and quality of
> > the responses. Others are out there who can far better
> > explain what American culture is than can I.
>
> Yeah. It is a combination of cultures from all over the
> world. Just what I said. American culture is so distinct
> because it has so many facets, and few other countries have
> this characteristic. In fact, we have no official language
> and portions of our population represent nearly every
> natiuon, continent, ethinicity and race every conceived,
> described or imagined.
> >
> > Again, Lee Greenwood didn't sing "I'm proud to be a
> > Hispanic in Los Angeles." He got it. I think most
> > Americans who view our country with minds free of
> > factionalism and eyes not blinded by prejudice do.
> > There indeed is an American culture that surmounts
> > the cultural legacies of immigrants and binds their
> > children together in one community. Listen to those
> > English-language stations David. You'll hear the
> > American culture coming through in many different
> > forms.
>
> I don't like Enlglish music, so I do not listen to those
> stations. About 40 or 50 million other Americans don't,
> either.
>
> I hope you are not saying that Limbaugh (or Frankel) speak
> for all America equally?
>
> Go back a century or so and read Alexis de Tocqueville on
> the spirit of America being its individualism and
> differences, not its homogenization. In fact, he claimed in
> this difinitive précis of the Ameircan character, that
> democracy worked here because of the diversity.
> >
> > I will mostly leave aside David's comments about how
> > hated our government is around the world. This bespeaks
> > the standard anti-Bush nonsense and certainly doesn't have
>
> > a place on a radio forum. Unlike in much of the world,
> > Americans elect our government and it rules with the
> > permission of the governed. If anyone hates our
> government,
> > they hate us.
>
> Wrong. I have had a dreadful Ford and a worse GM car. I do
> not hate GM or Ford employees, but hate Ford and GM as
> companies that stole my money in exchange for a shoddy
> product.
>
> Similarly, America is pretty widely if not universally hated
> around the world. Be it for envy, perceived wrongs or actual
> ones, our nation is despised by the bulk of the world's
> population. Survey after survey, journalist after
> journalist, speech after speech proves this. Yet that does
> not mean that any beyond derange fanatics despise
> Americans... just as I know to blame the General Motors
> Corporation, not the GM employee rank and file for my lemon,
> most people with a ounce of sense know that Americans
> themselves are not to blame for the doings of American
> military and State Department leaders over the last 150
> years or so.
>
> > And I couldn't care less about the people
> > who hate us. The next time Germany invades France the
> > French can fight the Germans all by themselves. Our
> > domestic brie and cabernet are just fine. We don't need
> > theirs anyway.
>
> Narrow viewpoint excused. We live on the same planet. We did
> not go in to save the French, but to stop Hitler.
> >
> > I'll leave you with this from David:
> >
> > "In fact, ethnic Italians come in a variety of flavors."
> > Really? Can I get one in Garlic & Mushroom?
> >
>
> No, but you can get a Tuscan, a Sicilian, a Roman and many
> other kinds. In fact, as you should know, within Italy
> (which was a ragged collection of principoalities until very
> recently) there are enormous rivalries that go back to the
> times the states that make up Italy frequently were in arms
> against each other.
>
> A mole has a better world view than you are showing.
>

It's amazing isn't it just how much David dislikes the
United States of America. Consider his comment that "...America
is pretty widely if not universally hated around the world."
They hate America so much that they board rickety boats and
travel through shark-infested waters to get here. They hide,
sweltering, inside tractor-trailer trucks and cross desolate
deserts to get here. They risk predators, human and animal,
to enjoy the freedom of the USA. And they continue to come
here from South America, Europe, and China. All these people
who hate America coming here. Hooda thought.

Then David says, "...most people with a ounce of sense know
that Americans themselves are not to blame for the doings of
American military and State Department leaders over the last
150 years or so." The American military? Who? The soldiers
who stormed Utah beach in 1944? The ones who died at Inchon
or lost limbs at Iwo Jima? Maybe the doings of the American
military include liberating Afghanistan from Taliban
dictators and destroying the evil that was Saddam Hussein.
Perhaps you don't like the American military who flew
the B-36 and B-52 to make sure that nuclear war with
the Soviet Union never happened. Have I mentioned the
American military who you feel is so despised by our
enemies?

David's View of European History: "We did not go in to save
the French, but to stop Hitler." Houston to David: Hitler
wasn't stopped until he had sliced the Maginot Line
like a hot knife through warm butter. Remember those
newsreels showing American troops driving through
Paris and the people waving flags and throwing flowers
at the troops? If we didn't save the French we certainly
fooled them into thinking that..didn't we?

And why did people in the world hate the U.S. State
Department in 1855? It beats me, but David seems to
think so.

My apologies to the forum folks for digressing, but I
couldn't let David's anti-American comments go without
comment. I hope you understand.

Now David opines: "...you can get a Tuscan, a Sicilian,
a Roman and many other kinds." I've had a Sicilian but
like a flat crust better...especially on Rush Street.

Maybe we can direct David's emotions in a positive
direction. He hates the Ford Motor Company. Maybe
he can muster some hatred for the man himself, Henry
Ford..a notorious bigot and hate-filled anti-Semite.
And I do think it's too early to start playing
Christmas music on New York radio stations. I'd
let them though if they promised to start playing
summer tunes in February. By then I'm ready for
some beach music.

 

[Harold]

Re: Back to WAWZ.

> >
> > To bring the issue around on point, perhaps David can tell
>
> > us whether he thinks WAWZ is a New York or New Jersey
> radio
> > station. What say you David?
> >
>
> The 70 dbu of that station does not come within even
> stricking distance of any part of NYC or NY state. It's
> entire limited coverage is in New Jersey. It is, of course,
> totally within the NY MSA, however.
>
> So, for audience, it is a New Jersey stations that servies a
> portion of the NY metro area, just as there are stations in
> Gary, IN, that serve a portion of the Chicago metro.
>

Hmmm. OK. Let's go to the videotape.

David says that the 70-dBu contour of WAWZ in Somerset
County "does not come within even stricking distance of
any part of NYC or NY state."

While it is an approximation based on FCC data, the
map on radio-locator.com shows WAWZ putting a 60-dBu
contour over all of Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn.
If the map is only a rough estimate, it still indicates
that WAWZ is an easy listen in at least part of Staten
Island if not all of that New York City borough.

I invite readers who live in New York City, especially
Richmond County, to let us know how well..or not..they
receive WAWZ on 99.1 MHz. We can see if David is right
or wrong based on actual field results.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: There is no one American culture.

>
> It's amazing isn't it just how much David dislikes the
> United States of America. Consider his comment that
> "...America
> is pretty widely if not universally hated around the world."
>
> They hate America so much that they board rickety boats and
> travel through shark-infested waters to get here. They hide,
>
> sweltering, inside tractor-trailer trucks and cross desolate
>
> deserts to get here. They risk predators, human and animal,
> to enjoy the freedom of the USA. And they continue to come
> here from South America, Europe, and China. All these people
>
> who hate America coming here. Hooda thought.

The people who come here, in the greatest percentage, are not educated, not aware of geopolitics, not university graduates and only know one thing: they can make more money here than wherever they came from.

The rejection of US government politics comes from the people who stay in their own countries... people with better educations, who form public opinion and determine the local politics of other nations.
>
> Then David says, "...most people with a ounce of sense know
>
> that Americans themselves are not to blame for the doings of
>
> American military and State Department leaders over the last
>
> 150 years or so." The American military? Who? The
> soldiers
> who stormed Utah beach in 1944? The ones who died at Inchon
>
> or lost limbs at Iwo Jima? Maybe the doings of the American
>
> military include liberating Afghanistan from Taliban
> dictators and destroying the evil that was Saddam Hussein.

You are a star at misinterpretation. Please, as if it were not obvious, insert "Establichment" following the words "American Military."

In your efforts to deny that we have areal image problem in most of the world, you are simply trying to "find the fifth leg ont he cat" and ignoring the fact that the US is definitly disliked abroad.

> Perhaps you don't like the American military who flew
> the B-36 and B-52 to make sure that nuclear war with
> the Soviet Union never happened. Have I mentioned the
> American military who you feel is so despised by our
> enemies?

OK, keep misinterpreting. My uncle died in the European theatre, and the family had losses in Korea and Vietnam. Please differentiate between the Pentagon and the soldiers who do the dying and fighting, please.

You are as stubborn about this as you are in failing to recognize that some town in Joisey does not have exclusively local service because there is no way for such to be viable. Instead, you rant about how towns that can see the NY skyline have nothing to do with NYC. Now you are saying that the US is not disliked abroad. Wuyyyyy. What a whopper.
>
> David's View of European History: "We did not go in to save
>
> the French, but to stop Hitler." Houston to David: Hitler
> wasn't stopped until he had sliced the Maginot Line
> like a hot knife through warm butter. Remember those
> newsreels showing American troops driving through
> Paris and the people waving flags and throwing flowers
> at the troops? If we didn't save the French we certainly
> fooled them into thinking that..didn't we?

Our main goal was not, in any case, to save the French. It was to save Britain, and to stop the technology the Germans were developing which challenged the US position in the world and, it was thoought, could lead to Axis world dominantion (you think Roosevelt funded the Manhattan project for fun, or that many of the scientists were not smuggled out of Germany, where they were developing the H Bom on their own?)
>
> And why did people in the world hate the U.S. State
> Department in 1855? It beats me, but David seems to
> think so.

Try the Mexican American War, the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny as a start. It gets worse if you go into detail.
>
> My apologies to the forum folks for digressing, but I
> couldn't let David's anti-American comments go without
> comment. I hope you understand.

Recognizing we have a serious problem abroad is not being anti/American. It is being realistic. You don't think the guys on 9-11 came to deliver love letters, do you?
>
> Maybe we can direct David's emotions in a positive
> direction. He hates the Ford Motor Company. Maybe
> he can muster some hatred for the man himself, Henry
> Ford..a notorious bigot and hate-filled anti-Semite.

But Henry had died before I bought a car from the company he founded. Most of our first half-dozen presidents were slave holders. So what? You are mixing eras, standards and values.

> And I do think it's too early to start playing
> Christmas music on New York radio stations.

It gets ratings with adult women. You are not who Lite is after, so they don't care what you think, And they will enjoy an extra share or two in December (Phase III) of the book.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Back to WAWZ.

>
> Hmmm. OK. Let's go to the videotape.
>
> David says that the 70-dBu contour of WAWZ in Somerset
> County "does not come within even stricking distance of
> any part of NYC or NY state."
>
> While it is an approximation based on FCC data, the
> map on radio-locator.com shows WAWZ putting a 60-dBu
> contour over all of Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn.
> If the map is only a rough estimate, it still indicates
> that WAWZ is an easy listen in at least part of Staten
> Island if not all of that New York City borough.

The radio-locator maps are labeled "for entertainment purposes only." That makes them greatly similar to your posts.

There are no labled contuours on that website. The red, or inner, one resembles an inflated 54 mv/m protected contour, more than anything else. WAWZ's 64 barely tips the Verazzano Narrows bridge.

Of course, you can get stations wll outside their storng signal areas if you try hard enough. But the fact is that 99.999% of listeners do not listen to weak signals.

I ran the 70 on professional software, and it comes nowhere near the city.
>
> I invite readers who live in New York City, especially
> Richmond County, to let us know how well..or not..they
> receive WAWZ on 99.1 MHz. We can see if David is right
> or wrong based on actual field results.

In extensive studies, somewhat over 80% of listening to FM stations is inside the 70 dbu countour. Nearly all the rest is in what would be the 64 dbu contour. By the time you get to the 60, there is nearly no reported listening.
>

 

[Harold]

Re: There is no one American culture.

> >
> > It's amazing isn't it just how much David dislikes the
> > United States of America. Consider his comment that
> > "...America
> > is pretty widely if not universally hated around the
> world."
> >
> > They hate America so much that they board rickety boats
> and
> > travel through shark-infested waters to get here. They
> hide,
> >
> > sweltering, inside tractor-trailer trucks and cross
> desolate
> >
> > deserts to get here. They risk predators, human and
> animal,
> > to enjoy the freedom of the USA. And they continue to come
>
> > here from South America, Europe, and China. All these
> people
> >
> > who hate America coming here. Hooda thought.
>
> The people who come here, in the greatest percentage, are
> not educated, not aware of geopolitics, not university
> graduates and only know one thing: they can make more money
> here than wherever they came from.
>
> The rejection of US government politics comes from the
> people who stay in their own countries... people with better
> educations, who form public opinion and determine the local
> politics of other nations.
> >
> > Then David says, "...most people with a ounce of sense
> know
> >
> > that Americans themselves are not to blame for the doings
> of
> >
> > American military and State Department leaders over the
> last
> >
> > 150 years or so." The American military? Who? The
> > soldiers
> > who stormed Utah beach in 1944? The ones who died at
> Inchon
> >
> > or lost limbs at Iwo Jima? Maybe the doings of the
> American
> >
> > military include liberating Afghanistan from Taliban
> > dictators and destroying the evil that was Saddam Hussein.
>
>
> You are a star at misinterpretation. Please, as if it were
> not obvious, insert "Establichment" following the words
> "American Military."
>
> In your efforts to deny that we have areal image problem in
> most of the world, you are simply trying to "find the fifth
> leg ont he cat" and ignoring the fact that the US is
> definitly disliked abroad.
>
> > Perhaps you don't like the American military who flew
> > the B-36 and B-52 to make sure that nuclear war with
> > the Soviet Union never happened. Have I mentioned the
> > American military who you feel is so despised by our
> > enemies?
>
> OK, keep misinterpreting. My uncle died in the European
> theatre, and the family had losses in Korea and Vietnam.
> Please differentiate between the Pentagon and the soldiers
> who do the dying and fighting, please.
>
> You are as stubborn about this as you are in failing to
> recognize that some town in Joisey does not have exclusively
> local service because there is no way for such to be viable.
> Instead, you rant about how towns that can see the NY
> skyline have nothing to do with NYC. Now you are saying that
> the US is not disliked abroad. Wuyyyyy. What a whopper.
> >
> > David's View of European History: "We did not go in to
> save
> >
> > the French, but to stop Hitler." Houston to David: Hitler
>
> > wasn't stopped until he had sliced the Maginot Line
> > like a hot knife through warm butter. Remember those
> > newsreels showing American troops driving through
> > Paris and the people waving flags and throwing flowers
> > at the troops? If we didn't save the French we certainly
> > fooled them into thinking that..didn't we?
>
> Our main goal was not, in any case, to save the French. It
> was to save Britain, and to stop the technology the Germans
> were developing which challenged the US position in the
> world and, it was thoought, could lead to Axis world
> dominantion (you think Roosevelt funded the Manhattan
> project for fun, or that many of the scientists were not
> smuggled out of Germany, where they were developing the H
> Bom on their own?)
> >
> > And why did people in the world hate the U.S. State
> > Department in 1855? It beats me, but David seems to
> > think so.
>
> Try the Mexican American War, the Monroe Doctrine and
> Manifest Destiny as a start. It gets worse if you go into
> detail.
> >
> > My apologies to the forum folks for digressing, but I
> > couldn't let David's anti-American comments go without
> > comment. I hope you understand.
>
> Recognizing we have a serious problem abroad is not being
> anti/American. It is being realistic. You don't think the
> guys on 9-11 came to deliver love letters, do you?
> >
> > Maybe we can direct David's emotions in a positive
> > direction. He hates the Ford Motor Company. Maybe
> > he can muster some hatred for the man himself, Henry
> > Ford..a notorious bigot and hate-filled anti-Semite.
>
> But Henry had died before I bought a car from the company he
> founded. Most of our first half-dozen presidents were slave
> holders. So what? You are mixing eras, standards and values.
>
>
> > And I do think it's too early to start playing
> > Christmas music on New York radio stations.
>
> It gets ratings with adult women. You are not who Lite is
> after, so they don't care what you think, And they will
> enjoy an extra share or two in December (Phase III) of the
> book.
>

Just when you thought it couldn't get any stranger, David
proves that IT CAN!!! He follows my comments with rants and
raves about things as diverse as development of the hydrogen
bomb to the Monroe Doctrine. He misses both my subtle jibes
as well as my attempts at frivolity, attacking them all with
reckless abandon...slicing, chopping, and wielding his sword
much like the knight joined in mortal combat with Monty
Python's klller rabbit.

Because it stirs very personal feelings, I do have to comment
on one thing David said, to wit, "You don't think the guys on
9-11 came to deliver love letters, do you?"

No David...Those murderers came here to kill Americans in a
misguided attempt to influence world opinion about America
and Americans. In that, they singularly failed. Those men,
hypocrites all, came here with hatred for our freedoms. The
freedom to be anything that you want. The freedom to worship
the religion of your choice. The freedom to be of any race or
religion and yet achieve anything your heart desires. Yet
those very same killers came here and drank liquor, visited
Las Vegas, and engaged in activities that their own Koran
prohibited.

The 9-11 terrorists wouldn't have had to crash into the
World Trade Center if so much of the world already hated
America, as you suggest. They came here because they were
mortified at the thought that American freedom and justice
might spread around the world and especially into their
own countries. They recoiled at the notion that one day
the people in their countries might vote for their leaders
and have the option to remove them when they didn't rule
justly. They shuddered to think of a world where woman voted,
drove cars, and worked side-by-side with men. And they
attacked us because the lure of American freedom is so
great that more and more people in the world share our
visions and are reaching out to obtain the ideals we have
shown them.

No David...The world doesn't hate the United States of America
or our form of government. And the people of the world know
full well that in the past 250 years no country has offered
so much hope to the world than the U.S.A. That's why they
sing our songs, watch our TV, and hide in the wheel-wells of
jet planes dreaming about living life as an American.

I remember the day my grandmother became a citizen of the
United States of America. There was no prouder day for her
or for my family. As a young child I learned the phrase
"God Bless America" from her because she was proud to say
it often and with the conviction of one who knows what it
was like not to be a citizen of this great country.

Now you can go on again about how much people hate the
United States. It seems to buoy you up to say it.

And because this is a radio forum, who can tell us what
the "NEW" in WNEW stood for? (David is not elgible to
respond. Judges' decision final. All rights reserved.
Marca Registrada.)

 

[davideduardo]

Re: There is no one American culture.

>
> Because it stirs very personal feelings, I do have to
> comment
> on one thing David said, to wit, "You don't think the guys
> on
> 9-11 came to deliver love letters, do you?"
>
> No David...Those murderers came here to kill Americans in a
> misguided attempt to influence world opinion about America
> and Americans. In that, they singularly failed. Those men,
> hypocrites all, came here with hatred for our freedoms.

They did no such thing. They came to hurt the "Great Infidel" because they perceived... or had been indoctinated to perceive... that America is anti-Muslim and anti-Arab.

Again, you have no idea how the rest of the world sees America and are xenophobic and jingoistic in your outlook.
>
> No David...The world doesn't hate the United States of
> America
> or our form of government. And the people of the world know
> full well that in the past 250 years no country has offered
> so much hope to the world than the U.S.A.

If you believe that, I feel sorry for you. As someone who has worked in over 20 foreign countries, I can tell you, "It ain't so, Joe."



> That's why they
> sing our songs,

Only a very small percent of the non-English speaking world does that... and they are the very upper class, usually.

> watch our TV,

Less and less.

> and hide in the wheel-wells of
> jet planes dreaming about living life as an American.

That sort of person dreams of making dollars so they can save their family in Ghana or the Sudan or Zimbabwe from starving. It is not a love of freedom, it is a love of the Benjamins.
>
> And because this is a radio forum, who can tell us what
> the "NEW" in WNEW stood for? (David is not elgible to
> respond.

Why, because I will destroy your efforts to prove that the "New" stood for "Newark" which it did not, of course.

> Judges' decision final. All rights reserved.
> Marca Registrada.)

You mean the station licensed by 1936 to the Greater New York Broadcasting Corp at 584 5th Avenue in Manhattan? This was the reallocation allocation that caused WOV, the Italian station, to move to 1250 and then to 1280. It was originally licensed in '34 to the Woodham Corp in Newark, but it lasted only a tiny time there while the upgrade or swap to 1130 was in the works... in other words, a licence holder. As soon as WOV moved to 1250, WNEW moved from 1250 to 1130, upped power to 10 kw from 1 kw and lived happily in Manhattan ever after... which was the original design from the very start.

See, on this, the data on the life of Arde Bulova, who owned both 1130 and 1250 (later 1280) and essentially switched his own stations around, using 1130 for metro coverage and 1250 for the Italian community which was not as dispersed at the time.

The WNEW timeline is:

WNEW signed on February 13, 1934 as the result of the merger of two New Jersey stations: WAAM in Newark and WODA in Paterson. The call letters, WNEW, were not chosen necessarily to stand for Newark, the station's original home, or even New York, but because it was going to be "the newest thing in radio."

While in Newark, WNEW also occupied Manhattan studios at 501 Madison Ave,
On October 26, 1936, WNEW officially adapted New York as its "city of license" and by April 1938, it had closed the Newark studio.

 

[Jeffrey]

Re: Back to WAWZ.

> I invite readers who live in New York City, especially
> Richmond County, to let us know how well..or not..they
> receive WAWZ on 99.1 MHz. We can see if David is right
> or wrong based on actual field results.
>

I'm in a highrise in midtown west by the Hudson and can pull in WAWZ from time to time from my apt., 24th floor but with NO clarity. The signal is distored.
On an fm radio walkman at street level you will get no reception at all.

 

[Harold]

Re: There is no one American culture.

> >
> > Because it stirs very personal feelings, I do have to
> > comment
> > on one thing David said, to wit, "You don't think the guys
>
> > on
> > 9-11 came to deliver love letters, do you?"
> >
> > No David...Those murderers came here to kill Americans in
> a
> > misguided attempt to influence world opinion about America
>
> > and Americans. In that, they singularly failed. Those men,
>
> > hypocrites all, came here with hatred for our freedoms.
>
> They did no such thing. They came to hurt the "Great
> Infidel" because they perceived... or had been indoctinated
> to perceive... that America is anti-Muslim and anti-Arab.
>
> Again, you have no idea how the rest of the world sees
> America and are xenophobic and jingoistic in your outlook.
> >
> > No David...The world doesn't hate the United States of
> > America
> > or our form of government. And the people of the world
> know
> > full well that in the past 250 years no country has
> offered
> > so much hope to the world than the U.S.A.
>
> If you believe that, I feel sorry for you. As someone who
> has worked in over 20 foreign countries, I can tell you, "It
> ain't so, Joe."
>
>
>
> > That's why they
> > sing our songs,
>
> Only a very small percent of the non-English speaking world
> does that... and they are the very upper class, usually.
>
> > watch our TV,
>
> Less and less.
>
> > and hide in the wheel-wells of
> > jet planes dreaming about living life as an American.
>
> That sort of person dreams of making dollars so they can
> save their family in Ghana or the Sudan or Zimbabwe from
> starving. It is not a love of freedom, it is a love of the
> Benjamins.
> >
> > And because this is a radio forum, who can tell us what
> > the "NEW" in WNEW stood for? (David is not elgible to
> > respond.
>
> Why, because I will destroy your efforts to prove that the
> "New" stood for "Newark" which it did not, of course.
>
> > Judges' decision final. All rights reserved.
> > Marca Registrada.)
>
> You mean the station licensed by 1936 to the Greater New
> York Broadcasting Corp at 584 5th Avenue in Manhattan? This
> was the reallocation allocation that caused WOV, the Italian
> station, to move to 1250 and then to 1280. It was originally
> licensed in '34 to the Woodham Corp in Newark, but it lasted
> only a tiny time there while the upgrade or swap to 1130 was
> in the works... in other words, a licence holder. As soon as
> WOV moved to 1250, WNEW moved from 1250 to 1130, upped power
> to 10 kw from 1 kw and lived happily in Manhattan ever
> after... which was the original design from the very start.
>
>
> See, on this, the data on the life of Arde Bulova, who owned
> both 1130 and 1250 (later 1280) and essentially switched his
> own stations around, using 1130 for metro coverage and 1250
> for the Italian community which was not as dispersed at the
> time.
>
> The WNEW timeline is:
>
> WNEW signed on February 13, 1934 as the result of the merger
> of two New Jersey stations: WAAM in Newark and WODA in
> Paterson. The call letters, WNEW, were not chosen
> necessarily to stand for Newark, the station's original
> home, or even New York, but because it was going to be "the
> newest thing in radio."
>
> While in Newark, WNEW also occupied Manhattan studios at 501
> Madison Ave,
> On October 26, 1936, WNEW officially adapted New York as its
> "city of license" and by April 1938, it had closed the
> Newark studio.
>


David is one of those folks who think that people will believe
this or that simply because HE says so. With a mindset like
that a person has great latitude in deciding what percentage
of fact or fiction to give, or perhaps a blend of both.

Again, I shouldn't go into depth about David's course in
"Revisionist History 101." I think my comments and his
stand in stark juxtaposition and I have every confidence
in my fellow Americans to see through the folderol. Some
people simpy want to see the world as they think it should
be, not as it really is.

Rather than substantive, fact-based arguments, David
must resort to name-calling. To David, my love of my
country is "xenophobic and jingoistic." It's sad
really that someone born in the United States would
have such a low regard for his country. But then,
freedom includes the freedom to be different than
most. And David certainly is.

I put a little question into my previous post to see
how David would react. And quite predictably, he
acted like I though he would.

I asked "...who can tell us what the "NEW" in WNEW
stood for?" I didn't write anything else other than
to urge David not to respond. I knew, of course, that
he would, because he can't resist writing something
to make you think that I am somehow his inferior.

David's response, quite predictably, was:

"...I will destroy your efforts to prove that the
"New" stood for "Newark" which it did not, of course."

(Notice the very agresssive "destroy" in his comment?)

I didn't mention "New York" in my question but David,
eager to prove that Newark too is inferior, lashed
out at what he only presumed I was thinking. Shooting
from the hip, it is. The truth is the first WNEW was
many miles to the south of where the melody lingered on.
The Web site vartv.com provides us this history:

"This station took to the airwaves in October 1928 as
WNEW (for Newport News). Call letters were changed to
WGH about six weeks later to say 'World's Greatest
Harbor.' (The WNEW calls were later taken by the
1130 kHz station in New York City.) WNEW (Newport News)
was apparently the descendant of a station at Virginia
Beach, WSEA, which did not last long and went dark
about 1927."

(This is a comprehensive site for fans of Virginia
broadcasting: http://hamptonroads.vartv.com/)

Left out from David's dissertation on the history of
WNEW is that there is another explanation for the
choice of the callsign. According to the late, and
very great, Steve Allen, the station part-owner,
comedian Ed Wynn, wanted "NEW" to stand for "Network
Ed Wynn." Is this true? I have no idea. But it's
another interesting sidebar in the sometimes great,
sometimes sordid history of broadcasting in this
wonderful country of ours. (Wonderful to me,
of course. David would disagree. But then it's
his freedom to do so.)

 

[davideduardo]

Re: There is no one American culture.

>
> Left out from David's dissertation on the history of
> WNEW is that there is another explanation for the
> choice of the callsign. According to the late, and
> very great, Steve Allen, the station part-owner,
> comedian Ed Wynn, wanted "NEW" to stand for "Network
> Ed Wynn."

Urban legend. He was not one of the original owners when the Newark station went on the air and got those calls.

 

[Harold]

Re: New View of NEW

> >
> > Left out from David's dissertation on the history of
> > WNEW is that there is another explanation for the
> > choice of the callsign. According to the late, and
> > very great, Steve Allen, the station part-owner,
> > comedian Ed Wynn, wanted "NEW" to stand for "Network
> > Ed Wynn."
>
> Urban legend. He was not one of the original owners when the
> Newark station went on the air and got those calls.
>

I newer said it was true. However, the story has become
a major part of the WNEW history. It's similar to the
unfortunate depiction of Uncle Don as the person who
spoke those words about his little kiddie listeners.
Not true, of course, but the story has become part of
any biography of Uncle Don.

The WNEW situation is quite fascinating and also a complicated
affair. One very interesting discussion is from a very
knowledgeable fellow, Dr. Michael Biel of Moorehead State
University. His comments are preceded by a statement he
goes on to refute. Have a look:

"WNEW was the key station for the Ed Wynn Network (Amalgamated Broadcasting).

Unfortunately, Bill, this is not true. This is an often repeated error that I believe began when Ben Gross incorrectly stated in the caption of Ed Wynn's picture in the book "I Looked and I Listened" that the EW of WNEW stood for Ed Wynn. I first became suspicious of this when I saw an article or an ad about the sign-on of WNEW which stated something like that their call letters signified that they were the NEW station in NEWark, NEW Jersey."

To read all the comments about the early history of WNEW and other
New York City stations see:

http://members.aol.com/jeff560/am8.html

Scroll down the page a bit for the Biel comments.

It seems no one can say for sure what the owners of the
radio station intended for the "NEW" in WNEW. We might
never know. But it would be foolish to discount all
explanations simply because they conflict with what
we would like them to be. Personally, I think the
Newark explanation has a nice ring to it. What say
you open-minded readers?