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WB-11/WPIX and New Jersey

J

JerseyShor

Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?

WPIX is the *ONLY* New York City television station carried on cable in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.

Even *NEW JERSEY'S* WWOR/9 doesn't have cable coverage in that part of the state.
 
> Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
> as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?

Likely a remanent of its NE superstation days. While stations like WTBS, WGN and WOR/WWOR were national, there were the NE regionals like WPIX and WSBK. I know WWOR handled the syndicated exclusivity (syndex) problem circa 1989 by creating the EMI WWOR feed where the blacked out programming was replaced by dirt cheap old stuff that nobody else wanted. I don't think that worked very well, and the EMI feed was canned years ago. I don't believe WPIX ever did anything like that, so they might have been more desirable to keep on the cable systems.
 
> > Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
>
> > as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
>
> Likely a remanent of its NE superstation days. While
> stations like WTBS, WGN and WOR/WWOR were national, there
> were the NE regionals like WPIX and WSBK. I know WWOR
> handled the syndicated exclusivity (syndex) problem circa
> 1989 by creating the EMI WWOR feed where the blacked out
> programming was replaced by dirt cheap old stuff that nobody
> else wanted. I don't think that worked very well, and the
> EMI feed was canned years ago. I don't believe WPIX ever
> did anything like that, so they might have been more
> desirable to keep on the cable systems.
>

Sind-ex and WB programing is simply blacked out on WPIX on cable in Atlanic and Cape Moy Counties.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Danfm on 01/29/06 05:55 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
> as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
>
> WPIX is the *ONLY* New York City television station carried
> on cable in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.
>
> Even *NEW JERSEY'S* WWOR/9 doesn't have cable coverage in
> that part of the state.
>
When I stayed in a hotel in Toronto in 2000, the hotel cable system had WB11 on its channel lineup.
 
> Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
> as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
>
> WPIX is the *ONLY* New York City television station carried
> on cable in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.
>
> Even *NEW JERSEY'S* WWOR/9 doesn't have cable coverage in
> that part of the state.

It's the fact that they were a superstation and never did a separate feed.

WWOR used to be carried down in Philadelphia and Southern NJ but all of the cable systems outside the NY market that used to carry it switched to their syndex-free feed which was not very popular and eventually dropped.

Note that WPIX gets cable coverage as far away as Western PA as well, more than 300 miles away. In fact I would say a majority of rural cable systems in Pennsylvania carry the channel.
 
> > > Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far
> south
> >
> > > as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
> >
> > Likely a remanent of its NE superstation days. While
> > stations like WTBS, WGN and WOR/WWOR were national, there
> > were the NE regionals like WPIX and WSBK. I know WWOR
> > handled the syndicated exclusivity (syndex) problem circa
> > 1989 by creating the EMI WWOR feed where the blacked out
> > programming was replaced by dirt cheap old stuff that
> nobody
> > else wanted. I don't think that worked very well, and the
>
> > EMI feed was canned years ago. I don't believe WPIX ever
> > did anything like that, so they might have been more
> > desirable to keep on the cable systems.
> >
>
> Sind-ex and WB programing is simply blacked out on WPIX on
> cable in Atlanic and Cape Moy Counties.

WPIX is still available on satellite (not DirecTV/Dish, C-Band I'm referring about), that the distant cable companies could pick up the source.

WWOR-EMI was discontinued (in replace for Animal Planet), and any form of WWOR, was no longer on satellite, until later, but the syndex-free feed for cable systems was gone.

Are you sure about blackouts in Atlantic City and Wildwood? I do know Comcast Hammonton/Vineland blacked out WPIX, but I didn't know about the south coastal systems, Comcast South Jersey and Comcast Wildwood.

WPIX 11 is also carried in Allentown, PA.

And from what I understand, the Philly stations don't blackout NYC channel programming in Allentown.

Unlike Trenton that can receive NYC TV over the air, and thus significantly viewed applies, Allentown and Atlantic City are too far from NYC to get NYC TV over the air (by most people), but are also quite away from Philly, that the Philly broadcasters don't enforce exclusivity. Syndex might not be applied beyond 35/55 miles from Philly. Note: WMGM 40 (NBC) is in existance, and Allentown has duplication on some syndicated programs found on WFMZ.

Note:
WPSG 57 may ask that WPIX 11 be dropped from cable, or blocks of programming deleted, in Allentown and Atlantic City. Tribune, WPHL owner, also owner of WPIX, may have let it go, but there is no reason why CBS/WPSG would want Allentown residents and Atlantic City residents to watch 'The CW' from WPIX, esp. if WPIX is on the cable dial before WPSG.

BTW, WPIX 11 used to be carried in Camden and Burlington Counties; Being minutes from Philly, the Philly stations could enforce blackout exclusivity and WPIX was dropped in the late 90s. I'm surprised Comcast (systems serving A.C. and Wildwood) haven't dropped WPIX, by choice, for more PPV or another shopping channel, or something more profitable to them.
 
> > Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
>
> > as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
> >
> > WPIX is the *ONLY* New York City television station
> carried
> > on cable in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.
> >
> > Even *NEW JERSEY'S* WWOR/9 doesn't have cable coverage in
> > that part of the state.
>
> It's the fact that they were a superstation and never did a
> separate feed.
>
> WWOR used to be carried down in Philadelphia and Southern NJ
> but all of the cable systems outside the NY market that used
> to carry it switched to their syndex-free feed which was not
> very popular and eventually dropped.
>
> Note that WPIX gets cable coverage as far away as Western PA
> as well, more than 300 miles away. In fact I would say a
> majority of rural cable systems in Pennsylvania carry the
> channel.
>

WWOR-EMI lasted several years (1990-1997) and wasn't dropped by cable operators that carried it, out of lack of popularity. Classic TV programs, NY related news at 10, Mets games, prime dial positioning on cable systems that carried it, and great coverage in the Philly market.

WWOR-EMI had a bleak future as a national entity, unlike WGN, though, so it's space on satellite distribution (C-Band) was given up.

The space was replaced with the launch of Animal Planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOR_EMI_Service

So, the channel was shut, and the cable operators that had WWOR-EMI, carried Animal Planet, but, of course, putting Animal Planet in a higher tiered package, not grouped with the locals, where WWOR-EMI was usually found.

Chris-Craft, owner of WWOR at the time, didn't have involvement in distribution of superstation WWOR, also, unlike Tribune and WGN. WGN had more households to make it more viable, unlike WWOR.

Existing legislation still has WWOR, WSBK, WPIX, KTLA and KWGN (along with WGN) as superstations.

"Due to the outcry of satellite dish owners who missed WWOR, the station was returned to the satellite on a different transponder by National Programming Services. The national feed was once again the same feed that New York viewers saw, complete with all of the syndicated programming and UPN intact, due to the station now only being distributed outside of New York to satellite dish owners. This feed was discontinued in 1999 in favor of Pax"

Dish Network relaunched WWOR, and the only NYC UPN 9 feed, on a national basis, however, they sold it alacarte or in the superstation package. Syndex applies to WWOR.
 
WPIX & WWOR are both available, along with KTLA & KWGN as a "Superstation Package" from Dish Network for $5 a month.

> > > > Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far
> > south
> > >
> > > > as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
> > >
> > > Likely a remanent of its NE superstation days. While
> > > stations like WTBS, WGN and WOR/WWOR were national,
> there
> > > were the NE regionals like WPIX and WSBK. I know WWOR
> > > handled the syndicated exclusivity (syndex) problem
> circa
> > > 1989 by creating the EMI WWOR feed where the blacked out
>
> > > programming was replaced by dirt cheap old stuff that
> > nobody
> > > else wanted. I don't think that worked very well, and
> the
> >
> > > EMI feed was canned years ago. I don't believe WPIX
> ever
> > > did anything like that, so they might have been more
> > > desirable to keep on the cable systems.
> > >
> >
> > Sind-ex and WB programing is simply blacked out on WPIX on
>
> > cable in Atlanic and Cape Moy Counties.
>
> WPIX is still available on satellite (not DirecTV/Dish,
> C-Band I'm referring about), that the distant cable
> companies could pick up the source.
>
> WWOR-EMI was discontinued (in replace for Animal Planet),
> and any form of WWOR, was no longer on satellite, until
> later, but the syndex-free feed for cable systems was gone.
>
>
> Are you sure about blackouts in Atlantic City and Wildwood?
> I do know Comcast Hammonton/Vineland blacked out WPIX, but
> I didn't know about the south coastal systems, Comcast South
> Jersey and Comcast Wildwood.
>
> WPIX 11 is also carried in Allentown, PA.
>
> And from what I understand, the Philly stations don't
> blackout NYC channel programming in Allentown.
>
> Unlike Trenton that can receive NYC TV over the air, and
> thus significantly viewed applies, Allentown and Atlantic
> City are too far from NYC to get NYC TV over the air (by
> most people), but are also quite away from Philly, that the
> Philly broadcasters don't enforce exclusivity. Syndex
> might not be applied beyond 35/55 miles from Philly. Note:
> WMGM 40 (NBC) is in existance, and Allentown has duplication
> on some syndicated programs found on WFMZ.
>
> Note:
> WPSG 57 may ask that WPIX 11 be dropped from cable, or
> blocks of programming deleted, in Allentown and Atlantic
> City. Tribune, WPHL owner, also owner of WPIX, may have
> let it go, but there is no reason why CBS/WPSG would want
> Allentown residents and Atlantic City residents to watch
> 'The CW' from WPIX, esp. if WPIX is on the cable dial before
> WPSG.
>
> BTW, WPIX 11 used to be carried in Camden and Burlington
> Counties; Being minutes from Philly, the Philly stations
> could enforce blackout exclusivity and WPIX was dropped in
> the late 90s. I'm surprised Comcast (systems serving A.C.
> and Wildwood) haven't dropped WPIX, by choice, for more PPV
> or another shopping channel, or something more profitable to
> them.
>
 
> > Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
>
> > as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
> >
> > WPIX is the *ONLY* New York City television station
> carried
> > on cable in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.
> >
> > Even *NEW JERSEY'S* WWOR/9 doesn't have cable coverage in
> > that part of the state.
> >
> When I stayed in a hotel in Toronto in 2000, the hotel cable
> system had WB11 on its channel lineup.
>

WPIX still runs a handful of Mets games each summer, even after
they lost the rights to The Yankees, which they had nearly
back to the early days of NY TV. So I guess many cable systems
within several hundred miles of NYC, especially in rural areas,
may be reluctant to drop WPIX. I know WPIX still gets carried
on some Vermont cable systems, again from the days they ran
the Yankees and had sitcoms and movies 24/7.

WPIX remains a Canadian superstation, along with WTBS, WGN, WSBK
and KTLA. They run on many upper tier Canadian cable systems
and on various Canadian satellite services.





Gregg
[email protected]
 
> WPIX & WWOR are both available, along with KTLA & KWGN as a
> "Superstation Package" from Dish Network for $5 a month.
>

And WSBK. All 5 are grandfathered as superstations. WGN as well, though it has a syndex-free feed distributed as a cable network, included in both DirecTV (Total Choice) and Dish Net. (AT120, AT180).
 
> Dish Network relaunched WWOR, and the only NYC UPN 9 feed,
> on a national basis, however, they sold it alacarte or in
> the superstation package. Syndex applies to WWOR.

Probably not worth much now that it doesn't have the Mets anymore...<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
> Probably not worth much now that it doesn't have the Mets anymore...

But WWOR has the Yankees.
<P ID="signature">______________
<a href=http://www.triborough.org/blog/>Random Observations on Life, the Universe and Television</a></P>
 
> > Probably not worth much now that it doesn't have the Mets
> anymore...
>
> But WWOR has the Yankees.

Yes, all of, what, ten games a year?<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
> > > Probably not worth much now that it doesn't have the
> Mets
> > anymore...
> >
> > But WWOR has the Yankees.
>
> Yes, all of, what, ten games a year?
>
20 games
 
I only read a few replys but could the reason be WPIX is a WB station and Warner is still part of Time-Warner. and Time Warner has its hands in the local Cable systems???

> Anyone know why WB-11/WPIX has cable carriage as far south
> as Cape May, NJ - 135 miles away?
>
> WPIX is the *ONLY* New York City television station carried
> on cable in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.
>
> Even *NEW JERSEY'S* WWOR/9 doesn't have cable coverage in
> that part of the state.
>
 
WPIX/Comcast Atlantic City

Spent a night in AC last week, and WPIX was almost always blacked out. Kept flipping past it, but all I caught "live" was the 10 o'clock news on a break from the tables.
 
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