WBAP DOES "GET IT"

[rbrucecarter5]

I remember a thread on here a while back about WBAP - wondering why people listen. I had to reprogram my car's presets after doing some work on the car - and after I programmed all the music stations in the area, I had one left for a talk station. Comparing the MESS KLIF and KRLD have made of their audio - WBAP sounded really good. I programmed WBAP on the preset. I'm wondering if THAT could have more to do with people listening than their political persuasion?

 

[Bob E. Nelson]

I remember a thread on here a while back about WBAP - wondering why people listen. I had to reprogram my car's presets after doing some work on the car - and after I programmed all the music stations in the area, I had one left for a talk station. Comparing the MESS KLIF and KRLD have made of their audio - WBAP sounded really good. I programmed WBAP on the preset. I'm wondering if THAT could have more to do with people listening than their political persuasion?

In my opinion, WBAP has a fine airsound in terms of quality but is under-modulated. When I punch from the Ticket or KSKY over to WBAP, I have to turn up the volume a tad.

 

[War Of Attrition]

Comparing the MESS KLIF and KRLD have made of their audio - WBAP sounded really good.

Why must you people continue your HD hating. It's over. HD won. It is the new standard.

Let it rest!

WBAP doesn't sound particularly bad or good. Very middle-of-the-road.

KSKY sounds great for analog and KFLC sounds amazing for HD. You should give it a try someday.

 

[little1]

The amazing thing to me is that someone actually thinks other people program their presets on how the station 'sounds' instead of what that sound is...

As I said on another thread, I don't like rap music- so I don't care if K104 has the best processing in town, I'm not giving them a preset...

Heck, I don't think KEOM has ANY processing, but their music amuses me, so I always give them a preset...

 

[EbolaMonkey]

Why must you people continue your HD hating. It's over. HD won. It is the new standard.

Let it rest!

That's not the point. It was the new standard more than two years ago before most of us had heard it and could rate its sound quality or its effect on analog signals.

Now that it's here, anyone who doesn't like it has every right to complain about it. And they should continue to attempt to sway the free market, if they can.

To answer Bruce and another poster: Do WBAP and KSKY sound better than every other AM station in town? Yes. But does that have much to do with ratings? No.

 

[Robert Bass]

Heck, I don't think KEOM has ANY processing, but their music amuses me, so I always give them a preset...

Actually we do, albeit we use far less compression than everyone else. Instead of going for loud, we're going for natural.

R

 

[Tom Wells]

Comparing the MESS KLIF and KRLD have made of their audio - WBAP sounded really good.

Why must you people continue your HD hating. It's over. HD won. It is the new standard.

Let it rest!

WBAP doesn't sound particularly bad or good. Very middle-of-the-road.

KSKY sounds great for analog and KFLC sounds amazing for HD. You should give it a try someday.

Re: HD

Could it be because every aspect of HD-AM goes against every tenet of good analog RF engineering, and sounds like it?

When the finest stations in the world hobble themselves with 5kc audio, limit positive modulation peaks and add hiss, then
require the listeners to tune ctitically sharp to avoid the hiss as best possible, there is much to beef about.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Why must you people continue your HD hating. It's over. HD won. It is the new standard.

Somebody tell that to the consumer. As for me, I'm not afraid to stand up and say: "The emperor has no clothes on".

 

[War Of Attrition]

Why must you people continue your HD hating. It's over. HD won. It is the new standard.

Let it rest!

Now that it's here, anyone who doesn't like it has every right to complain about it. And they should continue to attempt to sway the free market, if they can.

Look, no one is saying anything about rights, so you can drop that tactic. If you want to be an idiot, then you have the freedom to be an idiot. The point is that the standard has been decided and talking it down because isn't going to change anything.

Either HD will "win" over the next decade because consumers like the value proposition of the free content or it won't. Nothing that is said in this or any other radio board by a bunch of geeks is going to "sway the free market". These comments are not that important in the grand scheme of things.

Virtually every broadcaster of any size (except Salem) has decided that HD is their system for the future. Not FMeXtra. Not DRM. But HD Radio. If you don't like HD, fine. It is just sad to see so much effort wasted on what is such a fruitless mission.

 

[War Of Attrition]

Why must you people continue your HD hating. It's over. HD won. It is the new standard.

Somebody tell that to the consumer. As for me, I'm not afraid to stand up and say: "The emperor has no clothes on".

The consumers move to HD is not going to happen by next week. For lack of a better term, it will be a "war of attrition" over the next decade as more and more new radio support HD. We are not even a whole year into the marketing campaign and the FCC just gave the final approval a month ago (and AM approval last week!). Every indication from the broadcasting industry and from the consumer electronics community is that this is the new standard for radio.

In a few years when you go into Fry's to buy a new radio and every unit just so happens to be an HD Radio, you can remember this discussion. I'm praying that you see the light soon.

 

[Robert Bass]

I think a little light needs to be shed your way, as well. Unlike HDTV, HDRadio is not mandatory. Traditional radios will still be good for years to come. Broadcasters need to get off their butts and start PROGRAMMING radio worth listening to. What good does it do when stations add HD and then run them like jukeboxes?

R

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Good point Robert, however,remember when cars only had AM radio? Now its Am and FM and has been for over 25 years or more. HD will be the standard decided by the industry(yeah remember the AM Stereo debacle,When the industry was left to decide that?). By looking at previous posts those companies that are boasting about HD,are not taking it seriously themselves. IE- The Wolf, KLUV. So it will take awhile.

 

[Robert Bass]

Good point Robert, however,remember when cars only had AM radio?

Sorry KPLEX... I'm too young to remember that. ;D ;D ;D

R

 

[EbolaMonkey]

Look, no one is saying anything about rights, so you can drop that tactic. If you want to be an idiot, then you have the freedom to be an idiot. The point is that the standard has been decided and talking it down because isn't going to change anything.

Tactic? That's funny.

By "tactic" I guess you mean I'm foolish for defending free discussion on a DISCUSSION board.

I think my grasp of the "point" trumps yours, home slice.

 

[War Of Attrition]

By "tactic" I guess you mean I'm foolish for defending free discussion on a DISCUSSION board.

No, I think you look foolish for trying to argue "rights" when that subject was not even being discussed.

Let me recap, because you are obviously having some memory issues. This thread started with a back-handed knock on HD Radio. I then asked why a collective few continue the public "hating" of HD Radio (specifically in the DFW forum) when it is clear that this is the new standard going forward, whether any of us like it or not.

You then barge in arguing something about "rights". This is bizarre because we were not having a discussion about constitutional issues and because no one told anyone anything that they could not do or say.

I think my grasp of the "point" trumps yours, home slice.

How you came to that conclusion is beyond understanding.

 

[BossJock1947]

By "tactic" I guess you mean I'm foolish for defending free discussion on a DISCUSSION board.

No, I think you look foolish for trying to argue "rights" when that subject was not even being discussed.

Let me recap, because you are obviously having some memory issues. This thread started with a back-handed knock on HD Radio. I then asked why a collective few continue the public "hating" of HD Radio (specifically in the DFW forum) when it is clear that this is the new standard going forward, whether any of us like it or not.

You then barge in arguing something about "rights". This is bizarre because we were not having a discussion about constitutional issues and because no one told anyone anything that they could not do or say.

I think my grasp of the "point" trumps yours, home slice.

How you came to that conclusion is beyond understanding.

Please clarify "Home Slice".

 

[EbolaMonkey]

Let me recap, because you are obviously having some memory issues. This thread started with a back-handed knock on HD Radio. I then asked why a collective few continue the public "hating" of HD Radio (specifically in the DFW forum) when it is clear that this is the new standard going forward, whether any of us like it or not.

You then barge in arguing something about "rights". This is bizarre because we were not having a discussion about constitutional issues and because no one told anyone anything that they could not do or say.

Man, the word "rights" must trigger an involuntary reaction in you. Slow down.

If you look at my original post, I used "every right to complain" as a manner of speech. I wasn't pulling the constitution out of my a$$. I was just speaking within the context of the thread. My point is that if you want to complain about HD radio, this is an obvious place to do it.

 

[GRAYWOLF]

My point is that if you want to complain about HD radio, this is an obvious place to do it.

I would have thought this board would be an obvious place to do it.

Silly me!



[edit] sorry, forgot the emoticons!

 

[Robert Bass]

OK kids, y'all are getting a little rowdy in here. Let's stay cool, people. 8)

R

 

[EbolaMonkey]

I would have thought this board would be an obvious place to do it.

Silly me!

You'd be absolutely right, except that Bruce started the thread by specifically commenting on WBAP's nice analog sound quality vs. the bad analog signals nearly everywhere else in Dallas radio.

Hence the Dallas Board was the right place for the post. Or at least it was a valid option.