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WBCN RATINGS SOLUTION

well if that is the case, then why is WBCN completely ignoring the extreme rap/rock / nu-metal Genre then? they played it, most of the songs were irt, but I'd like to hear rearranged and got the life every once in a while. In fact those songs would compliment rooster and the wall very nicely.

WBCN turned its back on the years 1997-2002 and scared away alot of its audience.
 
here is a potential playlist for a station catering to those aged 17-27 or so.

NWA...Gangsta Gangsta
notorious BIG...notoroius thugs
korn...freak on a leash
alice in chains...dem bones\
Dr. Dre...let me ride
Ludacris...Southern hospitality
Master P...Ice Cream man
Ozzy Ozbourne...I don't know
jay-Z...big pimpin
Blink 182...what's my age again
offspring...Come out and play
nirvana...man who sold the world
Tupac...How long will the mourn me
Warren G...Regulate
Radiohead...High and Dry
Blur...Charmless man
Franz Ferdinand..Take me out
Snoop Dogg...Stranded on Death Row
Eminem...Role model
...

blah blah blah, you get the picture...if WBCN is gonna cater to young men, its gotta incorporate rap and embrace hits from 5 years ago in addition to currents and classic rock.
 
Don you really cant play gangsta rap next to Blur and Blink 182 because it works for a few open minded kids but the majority is still a lot more segregated musically in taste. Also most of the rap songs you suggest "gangsta gangsta" were not hits/ singles Master P? not on the east coast, he doesnt exist!. Im sure since they're in your Ipod youre certain "everybody who is 24 etc" listens to the same thing but not really. Also BCN is not going after young men, their target is men 18-34 and more of the upper end of that so you hear all of the Led Zep and Pink FLoyd. What you described is maybe an internet stream, more like a podcast. Not an insult but a reality check.
 
Brooklyndon said:
here is a potential playlist for a station catering to those aged 17-27 or so.

NWA...Gangsta Gangsta
notorious BIG...notoroius thugs
korn...freak on a leash
alice in chains...dem bones\
Dr. Dre...let me ride
Ludacris...Southern hospitality
Master P...Ice Cream man
Ozzy Ozbourne...I don't know
jay-Z...big pimpin
Blink 182...what's my age again
offspring...Come out and play
nirvana...man who sold the world
Tupac...How long will the mourn me
Warren G...Regulate
Radiohead...High and Dry
Blur...Charmless man
Franz Ferdinand..Take me out
Snoop Dogg...Stranded on Death Row
Eminem...Role model
...

blah blah blah, you get the picture...if WBCN is gonna cater to young men, its gotta incorporate rap and embrace hits from 5 years ago in addition to currents and classic rock.
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Now thats a Rock station I will put on my preset button .
 
People who listen to the radio just are not that broad in their taste. You dont listen to the radio like you're listening to an ipod. We are maybe because we're radio people who burn out on music and genres faster than the actual listeners but this wouldnt work for so many reasons. It'd be interesting, it's really what Faction on Sirius is trying but with more punk no classic rock, and only huge rap songs like Dr. Dre, nothing insignifigant like Master P (yeah sold a lot of records but never got any airplay, same as NWA) etc, and you know who listens to that channel 13-14 year old boys who call in to talk to Bam Margera and say how he rules. It's skaters talking to Skaters basically.
 
If the major record labels didn't dictate things would get better. There's a new La Peste CD v.2.0 that is all unreleased studio stuff (they only put out one legitimate 45 rpm in their heyday) that a BCN could pull one track off of and play into the ground. It's on a label from Maine reissuing a lot of cool stuff - a Peter Dayton solo album produced by Mike from THE RINGS and Ric Ocasek. Lots of new sounds no one has heard before.
 
Varulven said:
If the major record labels didn't dictate things would get better. There's a new La Peste CD v.2.0 that is all unreleased studio stuff (they only put out one legitimate 45 rpm in their heyday) that a BCN could pull one track off of and play into the ground. It's on a label from Maine reissuing a lot of cool stuff - a Peter Dayton solo album produced by Mike from THE RINGS and Ric Ocasek. Lots of new sounds no one has heard before.
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"New sounds" from people no one's ever heard of and I had to google--25 years since these tracks were cut.

Yeah, that's what BCN needs--music that had limited appeal at the time it was made.

No, what BCN needs is to force local artists to pre-sell show tickets and pay to be on compilations whose record covers are legendarily ugly.

That made you a millionaire, huh?
 
pah-lease, the south has a history in boston, in fact boston is a more Southern rap friendly city than new york.
hot 97.7 played master p, c-murda, 504 boyz, cash money millionaires, helped break T.I., mystikal, ludacris. Rap has been around for 30 years now, it has a large appeal among white men in boston, would WBCN scare of some rockers by adding black rap...probabaly, but look at the ratings.

How does WJMN bill and how does WBCN bill?

Granted the pats have the pats to add to their revenue, but that stream is also a large expense. WBCN has the imaging and the coverage area to actually be a rap rock hybrid. look, rap is obviously more than skater music, because its the #1 format in Boston.
 
I have no problem with Boston having a rap hybrid station. Welcome To The Terrordome. It is true BCN used to bill out at an astronomical rate - but no advertiser in their right mind is going to look at the current numbers and not argue about what WBCN asks for and what they shall receive. The Patriots are a different animal and that helps them disguise reality. A lot harder to disguise with Howard gone.

But back to programming - you could play the new La Peste and Ron Artest (not that I want to hear Ron Artest),and it would work. As it stands neither will get aired on WBCN in its current state.
 
pah-lease, the south has a history in boston, in fact boston is a more Southern rap friendly city than new york.
hot 97.7 played master p, c-murda, 504 boyz, cash money millionaires, helped break T.I., mystikal, ludacris. Rap has been around for 30 years now, it has a large appeal among white men in boston, would WBCN scare of some rockers by adding black rap...probabaly, but look at the ratings.

WEll to point out the obvious flaws in your argument, Hot 97.7 HAD NO RATINGS, Hot 97.7 BILLED NO MONEY, which is why Hot 97.7 didnt even remain Hot 97.7 the format was flipped as a last ditch effort to save it, it too failed and it was sold. SO if your evidence that southern hip hoppers like C Murder and 504 boys, that most east coast hip hop fans dont know or care about is that they were played on a station that flipped format due to its poor ratings and revenue history and then was sold, you should go back to the drawing board because you're just without a clue. Also Ludacris and Mystikal broke because they were in power rotation at Jamn virtually every single released, and even KISS and Ludacris was an Mtv staple, hot 97.7 ? not so much,.
 
look dude, its thjis simple:

radio dies if drastic measures are avoided. Everyone will listen to podcasts. Podcast mix rock and rap and techno and lord knows what else. podcasts play obscure cuts. Unless radio competes with podcasts, its audience will get progressively older until they all shrivel up and die.

lets focus on WBCN now. target demo 18-34. Hmm, no one in college is really worht anything, so WBCN ignores the 18-24 demo, so that leaves bcn competing with WFNX and WJMN for the the listeners 24-30 and competing with WAAF for the listeners 30-34. Now, lets say the over under for for rap gaining popularity in Boston is about 96, the same year antoine walker came to Boston. Anyone who was say 12 or older after 96 (and this figure is extremely generous you could make the case for 93) is going to listen to a fair amount of hip hop, (maybe less obscure than c-murda, but they will listen to some south, so its completely irrelvant to add that the south gets no play).

okay okay okay. So 12 in 96, means those people are....22 years old today, right on the cusp of entering WBCN's money demo, old enough to have full time jobs, young enough to have no responsibilites to spend it on. WBCN is such a basketcase, they think they way to increase billing is to try to reattract the demo (basically my father) they actively scared away 10-15 years ago.

Aint gonna work. So WBCN, the station that had Cypress Hill headline one of its River Raves continues to ignore rap. Retards are running the show, and its a shame in the box thinkers are stuck saying that playlists are too wide and audiences don't mix. The new 20 somethings are the kids who bought all the rap metal records. They like rap and rock. I can hit you over the head with facts again and again and again.

Why is WJMN #1 (and I'm assuming if they are #1 12+ then they are also #1 18-34 male) because they play rap by black people. if WBCN want to reach its core, it will fire all its current djs and just automate rap and rock.
 
Let me explain, I admire your enthusiasm for rap music because it's some of the only cutting edge modern music left but I just dont think your ideas are realistic but that does not mean they are bad ideas. Sorry if I got in your face like they were that is my bad.
 
If BCN dropped all of its music programming tomorrow and replaced it with "male/lifestyle" talkers like O/A but locals, they'd snag a 3.5 easy--strong FM signal, no real competition from the pitiful talk stations in Boston whose demos are in the "65 to death" range.

Rock music is a bore and hip-hop's appeal among white folks is strong but also alienating to whites that don't like it. Besides, the IPOD et al have rendered music radio obsolete anyway.
 
"Rock music is a bore" says Ron Jippey. Depends on what Rock Music you listen to. Yes, the garbage that
WAAF, WBCN and WFNX plays - for the most part - is a bore. You can find great stuff on Pure Volume and
My Space. Problem is the same situation that is destroying retail is destroying radio- the Corporations try to decide what they want to push, what they want the public to consume, and the public has far too many options to pay top dollar for a friggin' cd. The DVD has also destroyed the perception that a CD is a bargain. Consumer can purchase hundred million dollar movies for 18.98 and is told they can buy a cd made in some rapper's bedroom (literally) for $14.98. So they download the song they like for 99 cents and buy the DVD. Perceived value comes into play.

So long as Ed Markey's Telecommunications Act allows all the big boys to buy up all the stations they choose we are not going to have the choices on AM/FM. But rock music is hardly a "bore", there's some great stuff out there. Just because WBCN doesn't play some recent Alice Cooper

(Dragontown, my review on MTV)
http://shop.mtv.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=1642695

"This might not be as platinum as Trash or as explosive as Killer, but the older, wiser Alice Cooper devastates with subtle intensity and venomous lyrics."

doesn't mean it is not vital. Brian Wilson's "Smile" is an important and listenable disc (no matter how much window dressing his producers put on it because of his "condition"), and the new album from Tommy James has him working his craft in new and exciting ways -

HOLD THE FIRE
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=777966150024

or VH-1
http://shop.vh1.com/Hold-the-Fire-Pop_stcVVproductId5222216VVcatId424092VVviewprod.htm

though it isn't as ground-breaking as "My Head, My Bed, My Red Guitar" - the country album where members of Elvis's band backed him up on terrific country tunes that never got ANY country airplay.
That's what is wrong - if an artist comes out with a masterpiece and isn't perceived to be in the genre -
the record gets ignored. Just because it isn't played doesn't mean it isn't incredible. Google for my review of Tommy James old but important work - and his new one.

http://www.mp3.com/albums/34196/reviews.html

http://www.mp3.com/albums/34196/summary.html

Bruce Sudano (married to Donna Summer) who hit with his band "Alive 'n' Kicking" as well as "Brooklyn Dreams" has a wonderful new disc - "Rainy Day Soul", and two albums ago Public Enemy opened a disc with Reverend Al Sharpton. A good rock station could play APOCALYPSE 91: The Enemy Strikes Black as well as Ian Anderson's orchestral Jethro Tull, which had a huge crowd over at Harborlights July 30 of this year. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Just because there's nothing new, fresh and exciting being PLAYED on radio doesn't mean a good talk/rock station can't find nuggets and entertain the audience. The music is there - I get stacks of it every day in my mailbox. The new Monsieur Leroc - trance/hip-hop with Jerry Lee Lewis samples and Frank Sinatra infused into the bachelor pad textures. He is the Esquivel of the new millennium.
Plus, bachelor pad is so huge with artists from Bobby Hebb to Ferrante & Teicher getting an underground surge in Europe (Hebb just sold out 90 per cent of his dates in Europe) that a good station mixing up innovative sounds could rule. Local band "Whack" has a record that is listenable top to bottom, same with Pop Gun's excellent new disc "Trigger". You don't need to be a Top 40 station to run the gamut and put together something compelling and unique. Ron Jippey is right that a talker with O & A like shows is what is needed. He mentioned Moogy Klingman, a new york D.J. who owned the studio where Rundgren produced
"Something/Anything", Grand Funk's "We're An American Band", and Meatloaf's big album if memory serves.
Moogy himself produced Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, a Bette Midler disc with a Bob Dylan duet, and was a founding member of Todd Rundgren's UTOPIA (on the MOVE re-make of "Do Ya" pre E.L.O.) He is controversial, political, and knows how to kick up a storm on radio with a great radio voice. But just as these talents are out there, and just as there's more great rock music than any one station can handle, corporate America wants to force Limp Bizkit down your throat by purchasing airtime - PAYOLA - when American Radio Systems sold to CBS and ARS couldn't get sued for taking $5,000.00 from Interscope Records because ARS no longer existed. Now Fred Durst is horrible rock music, corporate junk that can't hold a handle to WHACK, but Whack doesn't have 5 grand from Interscope to buy airtime illegally in front of everyone (Billboard, Front Page, May of 1999 or 1998, the year ARS sold)

You want Fred Durst as your talk show host? You got 'em:
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Limp+Bizkits+Fred+Durst+To+Be+Chat+Show+Host-3523.html

Limp Bizkits Fred Durst To Be Chat Show Host
 
You have an excellent point, Brooklyndon. Indeed, I went to YouTube when reviewing a new band and lo and behold there was a wild video from their record release party somewhere in the mid-west. I infused the YouTube review into my CD review - but what an amazing platform. The drummer in the punk band I was reviewing (Geography, do a YouTube search on them) is very Keith Moon and they had a ton of energy. To be able to see a band while reviewing their disc - instantly - is actually amazing.

Also, when Robert Plant & Ian Hunter did the benefit for the late Arthur Lee, some people in the audience posted it on YouTube. A friend of mine in the band that performed behind Plant told me it was up there - voila - i got to see the sold out show. Amazing. There is that copyright issue.
 
and on an aside, there is a historical precedent for hybrid rap/rock in New England, Power 104 in connecticut was pretty well near a hybrid rap/rock, playing mostly west coast standards for a few years before it went rap full time. The rap just took over. it boggles my mind to see that people think playing rap will alienate the audience. Who is #1? the rap station.
 
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