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SpareChange said:
I also recall the "editor's desk" tags, but thought they were during the Buffalo Evening News-WBEN-AM-FM-TV era.

That must have been before that 65-74 time frame, which was when I remember our home's WBEN listening habits as the strongest. I don't recall the "editor's desk" credit. I could also be wrong.

Meanwhile, down here Philly way, KYW ("News Radio 1060") still proclaims, "At the editor's desk, Joe Shlabotnick" following the :15 and :45 jingles/sounders.

Richard in Allentown now, East Aurora then
 
rdcuffpa1 said:
SpareChange said:
I also recall the "editor's desk" tags, but thought they were during the Buffalo Evening News-WBEN-AM-FM-TV era.
That must have been before that 65-74 time frame, which was when I remember our home's WBEN listening habits as the strongest. I don't recall the "editor's desk" credit. I could also be wrong.
I can recall the WBEN "editor's desk" credits from around 1960 though 1970. Uncle Oskie's pink bakelite RCA radio was glued to Clint in the morning on WBEN and Stan Jasinski in the afternoon on WWOL or WMMJ. Middays, it was either Fred Klestine or Rod Roddy on KB or Ken Phillips on WBEN. Phew. I ache even TRYING to remember this stuff.
 
Speaking of Fred Klestine, I listened to him on KB as I was growing up. I wish I had stayed in Buffalo and had an FM radio to hear him on WADV. There is an aircheck of him on WADV at the Buffalo Broadcast Pioneers site. Fred sounded great as a jazz DJ!
 
Oh yeah, that's one of my favorite clips on the Buffalo Broadcasters site. Maybe I should start a new thread about WADV rather than including it in this discussion. WADV was truly unique. I doubt there was another radio station like it in the nation. It was a mixture of jazz, big band, middle-of-the-road and standards. The Lesniaks had created magic. It's just a shame that Dan died just as he was entering retirement after selling the station. Obviously, Stoner Broadcasting made the right decision in converting the station to the country format that has been number one for so many years now. But many of us oldsters will always remember WADV fondly. It was a staple in my household growing up. Unfortunately, I didn't truly appreciate the station until the time it went off the air.

Just a quick note about Fred Klestine's first show on WADV. He had been unceremoniously dumped at KB so Jeff Kaye could stick it to WYSL by hiring its morning man, Jack Sheridan (am I remembering his first name correctly?) for Klestine's midday timeslot. Fred landed at WADV. I don't know if it was a vacation day or if I was home sick from school, but I was able to hear Fred's first show at 106.5FM. He started out with a Chicago song, mimicking what he did at KB, and then said he was just kidding. And remember his sign off? "Good night, sweetheart. Good night (enter the name of your favorite lady here)!" And out with that big band send off.

Sometimes we old guys are criticized for living in the past. But WBEN, KB, WADV, WYSL, WWOL, WGR were damned good radio stations in the 1960s and '70s. That's not to say there isn't some good stuff happening today. But I think many of us would agree our industry today doesn't compare to the way it once was. And it's fun reading the posts of what we remember from those times.
 
Time for a K-Big Side Bar

Just a quick note about Fred Klestine's first show on WADV. He had been unceremoniously dumped at KB so Jeff Kaye could stick it to WYSL by hiring its morning man, Jack Sheridan (am I remembering his first name correctly?) for Klestine's midday timeslot. Fred landed at WADV. I don't know if it was a vacation day or if I was home sick from school, but I was able to hear Fred's first show at 106.5FM. He started out with a Chicago song, mimicking what he did at KB, and then said he was just kidding. And remember his sign off? "Good night, sweetheart. Good night (enter the name of your favorite lady here)!" And out with that big band send off.

Fred Klestine was smooth as silk, no matter what format or daypart he was doing. Whether it was middays at KB, playing Ella Fitzgerald at WADV or Bobby Vee on WBUF, his resonant voice and style were Major Market. He was The Dude long before the dude was The Dude.

What many people should know, and because readers of this board relish the "Inside Baseball" aspect of the business, is that Fred was a very funny, witty guy... and a great production voice as well.

Neaverth and Beach get props for their "funny" KB work, but Fred deserves accolades for his sense of humor, too. One of his funnier bits that I remember, was playing the character "Sid Friedman, Richest Man in the World" on Neaverth's afternoon show.

I know this is "back in the day" stuff, but it's part of KB's rich history, which I had the good fortune to soak in at the time as a starry-eyed high school kid who was in Junior Achievement with other kids who are now professionals, such as Tom Donahue and attorney Bob Sikorsky, who now heads the Reading Association for the Blind.

Fred used a great Yiddish dialect ("Dis is Sid Freedman, Richest man in the vurld...") that was a good as anything Mel Brooks did. Fred would get on the phone in the production room, call the control room and do his schtick with Danny, pretending to call from his yacht, his private jet or his penthouse in Las Vegas. It was great radio, theatre of the mind, and it was funny. It was also, by today's standards, a bit politically incorrect... and very long.

The bit usually included "inside stuff" with characters whose names were people who worked behind the scenes (including "...Marty Krimsky, oil baron and tycoon...") and the occasional reference to internal goings on at the station.

To be sure, I wasn't anywhere near being employed at KB when this stuff was going on. But years later, in the brief time that I worked there, I made it a point to ask about the legendary guys who worked there. Engineers-producers like Jim Adler, Norm Bruckner and Al Laffler were great sources of historical information, anecdotes and great side stories. It also helps that I worked with Neaverth twice at WHTT and got some of the "Inside Baseball" from him.

Jim Adler is generally considered (by Beach Neaverth, Berns and Armstrong) to be one of the funniest men at KB who never made it on the air... some of the funniest lines used by the jocks were first spoken by Adler. Today, he'd be a sidekick as good as ony on the best major market morning shows.

As to the reference to Jeff Kaye "unceremoniously" dumping Fred from KB in favor of Jack Sheridan, there's an interesting story behind this event as well. Details of my account have been confirmed by two people who worked at KB. Jeff once spoke to me about it and secondly, one of the union stewards confirmed Jeff's version of the story.

As I have been told, Jeff, did in fact want to "stick it to WYSL" and kill two birds with one stone by hiring Sheridan, who had a big voice and was one of the best jocks at WYSL at the time. But Jeff didn't want to "unceremoniously dump" Fred. The guy who wanted Fred out was Joe Somerset, the corporate PD of CapCities, who was universally disliked by most every jock (and production engineer) at KB.

It helps to understand that KB was the flagship of CapCities' radio empire in those days, and Jeff and his unorthodox airstaff were famous for producing very successful radio, often in the most unconventional way. As we know, the station had great ratings and was a cash cow. Somerset had little if anything to do with KB's success.

More than a few staffers told me there was a degree of tension between Jeff Kaye and Somerset. Jeff usually won the battle, but not always the war. It was Somerset who wanted Jeff to put Fred on the all-night show at KB to force Fred to resign. As many contracts are written, the station had the option of assigning jocks to dayparts, as was the case at KB with Fred. But Jeff felt strongly that Fred deserved more respect for his service to the station and wasn't about to force him out by way of the all-night show.

As one person recounted, Fred may have done a few all night shows (one opr two while this scenario was being hashed-out,) but within days, it came down to Jeff firing him, which automatically triggered the severence provisions in Fred's contract. By doing so, Fred was able to collect a respectable severence and leave the station as the midday guy with his head held high and self-esteem intact.

It was a magnaminous gesture on Jeff's part.

Admittedly, I hold Jeff in high esteem and this recollection of history might be perceived as apologist in nature. However, the details have been recounted to me by more than one person and corroborated by another.

Hope you enjoyed "Pastrick's Perspective" and this brief chapter in KB history.

Jim Pastrick
 
Fred K

Thank you Phil and thank your Jim for giving us the details that often get lost.

I make no apologies as one who was only a listener in the '50's and '60's. I didn't slave over a hot turntable until the '70's in Florida. The guys we have talked about here set the standard for great radio. Period. I feel sorry for those who think we are a buch of coggers just talking about the old days. You had to be there and hear it to appreciate what radio can be.

Mike
 
So after all these years, we find out that KB put guys on the allnight show in an attempt to get rid of them. Jungle Jay Nelson got moved from morning drive to allnights, but it gave him a chance to break all the rules. He called himself the Mushroom Man and he did the egg market report with crazy voices. John F. Kennedy would talk to Ed Sullivan. It was the funniest allnight show I've ever heard! Later they took Jay off allnights and moved him to mid day. That lasted a short tme before he ended up in Toronto where his talents were badly restrained by conservative management.

PS: This has absolutely nothing to do with WBEN.
 
From WBEN to WGR and KB

Codgers or not, this thread has taken a nice turn, covering the dominant AM radio stations in Buffalo. Also, it would be good to see DB posting here. Write on!
 
caveman-97 said:
So after all these years, we find out that KB put guys on the allnight show in an attempt to get rid of them.


Rod Roddy was put on all-nights when KB GM Bill Weaver, a texan, found out that Roddy, also a texan, was gay. Weaver tried to fire Roddy because a texan couldn't be gay and work at his station. NABET wouldn't let him do it, so Weaver relegated Roddy to overnights never to return to daylight.
Shortly thereafter Roddy split and became a nationsl TV announcer...."Commmon Down".
 
Thanks, Jim, for setting the record straight about the Fred Klestine firing from KB. I was in high school at the time. So, I had no inside knowledge. Perhaps my perception of what went down was painted by the total control I thought Jeff Kaye had at that time as well as what I might have read in the Buffalo Evening News or Courier Express about it. I hold Jeff Kaye in the highest regard. I think he was the best program director this town has ever seen. I never realized he had a corporate honcho whom he had to deal with on certain issues. My apologies for disparaging Jeff when apparently he stood up for Fred in this instance.
 
Philip_Airtime said:
Thanks, Jim, for setting the record straight about the Fred Klestine firing from KB. I was in high school at the time.... I hold Jeff Kaye in the highest regard. I think he was the best program director this town has ever seen... My apologies for disparaging Jeff when apparently he stood up for Fred in this instance.
No problem, Phil. Interestingly, I didn't think your remarks about Jeff were disparaging as much as they were understandably opinionated. Your post about WADV and Fred's first break there was enjoyable and informative. I'd not heard it before. So, thank YOU. I find that it's contributions like yours that make this board worth visiting.
 
alw said:
Rod Roddy was put on all-nights when KB GM Bill Weaver, a texan, found out that Roddy, also a texan, was gay. Weaver tried to fire Roddy because a texan couldn't be gay and work at his station. NABET wouldn't let him do it, so Weaver relegated Roddy to overnights never to return to daylight. Shortly thereafter Roddy split and became a nationsl TV announcer...."Commmon Down".
So there is something to be said for karma! And NABET. And AFTRA. And for a time when jocks banded together to protect themselves. As to Bill Weaver, most everybody knows who Rod Roddy is... as to Bill Weaver? Feh! Nobody turns on the radio to listen to the GM!
 
Re: WBEN to WGR

It was great to be a part of WGR during the late 1980's and early 1990's [they let me go after the post-1993 Super Bowl]. No one could have known the run the Bills were about to begin, fresh off Ronnie Harmon's infamous drop in Cleveland. However, that turned out to be the launching point for the "K-Gun" offense. Getting the Sabres back in 1990 after losing them the day Brad Park scored his OT goal in the 1983 playoffs was special as well. It was also a pleasure to work with Greg Brown, Jerry Reo, and Darrian Chapman on Bison baseball. Truly pleasant memories for me.
 
Pete Weber

PeteWeber said:
It was also a pleasure to work with Greg Brown, Jerry Reo, and Darrian Chapman on Bison baseball. Truly pleasant memories for me.

Pete, it was a pleasure to listen to your work as a sports host and sportscaster while you were in Buffalo. You were part of a Golden Era of intelligent sports talk which has now devolved into the "let's sound like we're regular guys in the locker room" school of sports babble. You would be appalled at the level of discourse and lack of expertise exhibited daily on WGR. Even a host like Howard Simon, who is more "old school" I guess, is handicapped by the likes of Jeremy White, who is long on loudly-expressed opinion and short on real expertise.

If the programming geniuses at WGR were smart enough to look at Buffalo broadcasting history and ignore the "sports zoo" template of other markets, WGR might do better than a 2.0 share during the summer when the Sabres aren't playing. One might think that it would be hard for a "sports personality" to have an overinflated ego when the ratings drop 60% once the Sabres season ends.

Thanks for the memories, Pete. I, for one, would love to have you back in town.
 
Jerry Reo

Speaking of Jerry Reo:

Many of you know Jerry Reo much better than I do. I only spoke to the man twice. Both times he couldn't have been nicer. I sent him an aircheck when he was P.D. and WGR was still playing music. Since I'm from Buffalo I was very excited about the prospect of working at WGR. We had a nice talk and I made sure Jerry knew my enthuisasm for working at GR55. Someone else who was already working at the station was chosen over me. Jerry Reo was nice enough to call me to say that I didn't get the job. Most of us in the business know how uncommon that is. It was quite a few years ago but I have never forgotten his kindness.

I hope Jerry is doing well.

Mike
 
Speaking of Jerry Reo:

Many of you know Jerry Reo much better than I do. I only spoke to the man twice. Both times he couldn't have been nicer. I sent him an aircheck when he was P.D. and WGR was still playing music. Since I'm from Buffalo I was very excited about the prospect of working at WGR. We had a nice talk and I made sure Jerry knew my enthuisasm for working at GR55. Someone else who was already working at the station was chosen over me. Jerry Reo was nice enough to call me to say that I didn't get the job. Most of us in the business know how uncommon that is. It was quite a few years ago but I have never forgotten his kindness.

I hope Jerry is doing well.

Mike

I'm told Jerry's retired now from full time radio work. On a nice sunny day like today, it's a good bet he's out enjoying a good game of golf. A class act all the way.
 
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