WBHJ PD Mickey Johnson on All Access

[jaleo23]

Here's an except of a question from All Access' interview with 95.7 JAMZ's PD Mickey Johnson question on Hot 107.7:


What's your take on radio in Birmingham currently? With the new competition, is it as good as six months ago, better, or about the same? Elaborate.

Its about the same. They are playing some hits from the 80's and same stuff they signed on with. The talent is average. It's more like "The Michael Baisden Station." Radio is good in Birmingham, and our sister station Kiss continues to be huge, even with competition in its face. We've had 5 different attempts to cut into WBHJ, but no one has had success. Do you call it luck or good programming? Hmmm.
________________________________________________________________________________

Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on a very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the time. If your station faced direct competition from a well-programmed Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be cobblered. Your station is the #2 music station by default due to lack of direct competition. 95.7 JAMZ is a poorly-programmed Urban that is extremely slow at adding new music (Hell 103.1 WEUP Huntsville and 93BLX Mobile is better at adding new music faster than JAMZ) and when they do add it they run it into the ground with overplaying of the song. In addition, JAMZ leaves out a lot of hit R&B slow songs that KISS won't play due it being too young for their demographic to that would do great if they were played in the market. All around JAMZ is a typical cookie-cutter station that is winning due to no competition.

I hope 2006 is the year Clear Channel does change the format of WENN back to Mainstream Urban on the new 105.5 signal and shuts JAMZ down permanantly because CC isn't making money with gospel-formatted WENN and the madness needs to end in Birmingham.
<P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jaleo23 on 12/06/05 01:11 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[doeboy]

> Here's an except of a question from All Access' interview
> with 95.7 JAMZ's PD Mickey Johnson question on Hot 107.7:
>
>
> What's your take on radio in Birmingham currently? With the
> new competition, is it as good as six months ago, better, or
> about the same? Elaborate.
>
> Its about the same. They are playing some hits from the 80's
> and same stuff they signed on with. The talent is average.
> It's more like "The Michael Baisden Station." Radio is good
> in Birmingham, and our sister station Kiss continues to be
> huge, even with competition in its face. We've had 5
> different attempts to cut into WBHJ, but no one has had
> success. Do you call it luck or good programming? Hmmm.
____________________> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
> Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on a
> very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the time. If
> your station faced direct competition from a well-programmed
> Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be cobblered. Your
> station is the #2 music station by default due to lack of
> direct competition. 95.7 JAMZ is a poorly-programmed Urban
> that is extremely slow at adding new music (Hell 103.1 WEUP
> Huntsville and 93BLX Mobile is better at adding new music
> faster than JAMZ) and when they do add it they run it into
> the ground with overplaying of the song. In addition, JAMZ
> leaves out a lot of hit R&B slow songs that KISS won't play
> due it being too young for their demographic to that would
> do great if they were played in the market. All around JAMZ
> is a typical cookie-cutter station that is winning due to no
> competition.
>
> I hope 2006 is the year Clear Channel does change the format
> of WENN back to Mainstream Urban on the new 105.5 signal and
> shuts JAMZ down permanantly because CC isn't making money
> with gospel-formatted WENN and the madness needs to end in
> Birmingham.
>


jaleo23 You really don't understand radio at all. First of all the days of a Mainstream Urban in Birmingham WILL NOT WORK anymore. If WENN was still around they would not be mainstream. Clear Channel is very smart, they will not put a Mainstream Urban in Birmingham and be forced to sell the spots for 25 dollars a spot. Plus it'll be voicetracked and we all know that's a no no in da ham. Have you ever heard of research? Every song that's put on Jamz and KISS are researched from note to note...that's why they are WINNING. Every market is different, but you gotta see it is what it is. It's been proven that NO ADULT 25-54 want to sit through a Jay Z record to hear there favorite Anita Baker record. I hear you always bragging about 'PGC, V-103, KKDA and 'GCI...those station are HERITAGE stations in their perspective markets, they can get away with it. Jamz is one of the top rated stations in the country not because of luck because they understand their product and the people they are programmed to. KISS is in the same boat. RESEARCH....Remember the work homie!

 

[jaleo23]

> > Here's an except of a question from All Access' interview
> > with 95.7 JAMZ's PD Mickey Johnson question on Hot 107.7:
> >
> >
> > What's your take on radio in Birmingham currently? With
> the
> > new competition, is it as good as six months ago, better,
> or
> > about the same? Elaborate.
> >
> > Its about the same. They are playing some hits from the
> 80's
> > and same stuff they signed on with. The talent is average.
>
> > It's more like "The Michael Baisden Station." Radio is
> good
> > in Birmingham, and our sister station Kiss continues to be
>
> > huge, even with competition in its face. We've had 5
> > different attempts to cut into WBHJ, but no one has had
> > success. Do you call it luck or good programming? Hmmm.
> ____________________>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> >
> >
> > Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on a
> > very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the time.
> If
> > your station faced direct competition from a
> well-programmed
> > Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be cobblered.
> Your
> > station is the #2 music station by default due to lack of
> > direct competition. 95.7 JAMZ is a poorly-programmed
> Urban
> > that is extremely slow at adding new music (Hell 103.1
> WEUP
> > Huntsville and 93BLX Mobile is better at adding new music
> > faster than JAMZ) and when they do add it they run it into
>
> > the ground with overplaying of the song. In addition,
> JAMZ
> > leaves out a lot of hit R&B slow songs that KISS won't
> play
> > due it being too young for their demographic to that would
>
> > do great if they were played in the market. All around
> JAMZ
> > is a typical cookie-cutter station that is winning due to
> no
> > competition.
> >
> > I hope 2006 is the year Clear Channel does change the
> format
> > of WENN back to Mainstream Urban on the new 105.5 signal
> and
> > shuts JAMZ down permanantly because CC isn't making money
> > with gospel-formatted WENN and the madness needs to end in
>
> > Birmingham.
> >
>
>
> jaleo23 You really don't understand radio at all. First of
> all the days of a Mainstream Urban in Birmingham WILL NOT
> WORK anymore. If WENN was still around they would not be
> mainstream. Clear Channel is very smart, they will not put a
> Mainstream Urban in Birmingham and be forced to sell the
> spots for 25 dollars a spot. Plus it'll be voicetracked and
> we all know that's a no no in da ham. Have you ever heard of
> research? Every song that's put on Jamz and KISS are
> researched from note to note...that's why they are WINNING.
> Every market is different, but you gotta see it is what it
> is. It's been proven that NO ADULT 25-54 want to sit through
> a Jay Z record to hear there favorite Anita Baker record. I
> hear you always bragging about 'PGC, V-103, KKDA and
> 'GCI...those station are HERITAGE stations in their
> perspective markets, they can get away with it. Jamz is one
> of the top rated stations in the country not because of luck
> because they understand their product and the people they
> are programmed to. KISS is in the same boat.
> RESEARCH....Remember the work homie!
>

I understand radio plenty from Arbs to billing. Have you ever heard of the notion of OVERRESEARCHED? Yeah, it very possible for a station(s) to be over researched and guess what that's exactly what JAMZ is. It also very easy to win in Birmingham and be one of the top rated stations in the country if you're the only station that targets one particular audience (18-34 (to be honest 12-24 is their real demo) demographic that listens to hip hop and R&B). Just use WRAX as a good example.

On Clear Channel, I know for a fact that voicetracking and syndication if one of their corp. policies, but tell me something new about corporate radio. Have you noticed that all of those stations I praise also have a little thing called competition. As many have said before me, competition keeps the heritage stations at the top of their game which very much not true about JAMZ sloppy presentation. Another thing is that billing wouldn't be a problem if you can win in your target demo and is capable of proving that appealing not just the African American community only like those other stations have also proven. I know for one that if CC did good research as they have in Tampa and its in the top 5 in ratings and billing after only 2 years. So they are very capable of running a strong Mainstream Urban in this market if it's well-programmed.

On the music note, somebody 25-54 probably wouldn't be listening to a station that plays Jay-Z after Anita Baker anyways. Which also very unlikely for any Urban in this country to have such playlist like besides WJMZ Greenville, SC. I'm talking about an Urban that can play hip hop and R&B songs from as far back as 1988 to today that would target the 18-34 demographic. Something like play the current song from Ludacris and then a throwback from SWV from the mid 1990's. And a station that is willing to play slow jams at night either from 10pm to 2am or midnight to 6am. That's the type of Urban this market is currently lacking. <P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jaleo23 on 12/06/05 11:30 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[doeboy]

> > > Here's an except of a question from All Access'
> interview
> > > with 95.7 JAMZ's PD Mickey Johnson question on Hot
> 107.7:
> > >
> > >
> > > What's your take on radio in Birmingham currently? With
> > the
> > > new competition, is it as good as six months ago,
> better,
> > or
> > > about the same? Elaborate.
> > >
> > > Its about the same. They are playing some hits from the
> > 80's
> > > and same stuff they signed on with. The talent is
> average.
> >
> > > It's more like "The Michael Baisden Station." Radio is
> > good
> > > in Birmingham, and our sister station Kiss continues to
> be
> >
> > > huge, even with competition in its face. We've had 5
> > > different attempts to cut into WBHJ, but no one has had
> > > success. Do you call it luck or good programming? Hmmm.
>
> > ____________________>
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on a
>
> > > very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the time.
>
> > If
> > > your station faced direct competition from a
> > well-programmed
> > > Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be cobblered.
> > Your
> > > station is the #2 music station by default due to lack
> of
> > > direct competition. 95.7 JAMZ is a poorly-programmed
> > Urban
> > > that is extremely slow at adding new music (Hell 103.1
> > WEUP
> > > Huntsville and 93BLX Mobile is better at adding new
> music
> > > faster than JAMZ) and when they do add it they run it
> into
> >
> > > the ground with overplaying of the song. In addition,
> > JAMZ
> > > leaves out a lot of hit R&B slow songs that KISS won't
> > play
> > > due it being too young for their demographic to that
> would
> >
> > > do great if they were played in the market. All around
> > JAMZ
> > > is a typical cookie-cutter station that is winning due
> to
> > no
> > > competition.
> > >
> > > I hope 2006 is the year Clear Channel does change the
> > format
> > > of WENN back to Mainstream Urban on the new 105.5 signal
>
> > and
> > > shuts JAMZ down permanantly because CC isn't making
> money
> > > with gospel-formatted WENN and the madness needs to end
> in
> >
> > > Birmingham.
> > >
> >
> >
> > jaleo23 You really don't understand radio at all. First of
>
> > all the days of a Mainstream Urban in Birmingham WILL NOT
> > WORK anymore. If WENN was still around they would not be
> > mainstream. Clear Channel is very smart, they will not put
> a
> > Mainstream Urban in Birmingham and be forced to sell the
> > spots for 25 dollars a spot. Plus it'll be voicetracked
> and
> > we all know that's a no no in da ham. Have you ever heard
> of
> > research? Every song that's put on Jamz and KISS are
> > researched from note to note...that's why they are
> WINNING.
> > Every market is different, but you gotta see it is what it
>
> > is. It's been proven that NO ADULT 25-54 want to sit
> through
> > a Jay Z record to hear there favorite Anita Baker record.
> I
> > hear you always bragging about 'PGC, V-103, KKDA and
> > 'GCI...those station are HERITAGE stations in their
> > perspective markets, they can get away with it. Jamz is
> one
> > of the top rated stations in the country not because of
> luck
> > because they understand their product and the people they
> > are programmed to. KISS is in the same boat.
> > RESEARCH....Remember the work homie!
> >
>
> I understand radio plenty from Arbs to billing. Have you
> ever heard of the notion of OVERRESEARCHED? Yeah, it very
> possible for a station(s) to be over researched and guess
> what that's exactly what JAMZ is. It also very easy to win
> in Birmingham and be one of the top rated stations in the
> country if you're the only station that targets one
> particular audience (18-34 (to be honest 12-24 is their real
> demo) demographic that listens to hip hop and R&B). Just
> use WRAX as a good example.
>
> On Clear Channel, I know for a fact that voicetracking and
> syndication if one of their corp. policies, but tell me
> something new about corporate radio. Have you noticed that
> all of those stations I praise also have a little thing
> called competition. As many have said before me,
> competition keeps the heritage stations at the top of their
> game which very much not true about JAMZ sloppy
> presentation. Another thing is that billing wouldn't be a
> problem if you can win in your target demo and is capable of
> proving that appealing not just the African American
> community only like those other stations have also proven.
> I know for one that if CC did good research as they have in
> Tampa and its in the top 5 in ratings and billing after only
> 2 years. So they are very capable of running a strong
> Mainstream Urban in this market if it's well-programmed.
>
> On the music note, somebody 25-54 probably wouldn't be
> listening to a station that plays Jay-Z after Anita Baker
> anyways. Which also very unlikely for any Urban in this
> country to have such playlist like besides WJMZ Greenville,
> SC. I'm talking about an Urban that can play hip hop and
> R&B songs from as far back as 1988 to today that would
> target the 18-34 demographic. Something like play the
> current song from Ludacris and then a throwback from SWV
> from the mid 1990's. And a station that is willing to play
> slow jams at night either from 10pm to 2am or midnight to
> 6am. That's the type of Urban this market is currently
> lacking.
>


I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and a station like that would get killed by COX all day and nite because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna listen to ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and Hot plays them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between the ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD TO HEAR THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in Birmingham all the time! This market has changed and the days of those type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major markets where those stations are heritage stations and have been in the market place for over 30 years and the music isn't the reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.

 

[jaleo23]

> I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and a
> station like that would get killed by COX all day and nite
> because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna listen to
> ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and Hot plays
> them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between the
> ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD TO HEAR
> THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in Birmingham
> all the time! This market has changed and the days of those
> type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major markets where
> those stations are heritage stations and have been in the
> market place for over 30 years and the music isn't the
> reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.
>

I'm not talking about the 25-40 but the 18-34 demographic, so please stay on the subject. I'm talking about the 18-34 demographic and this demographic would listen to Ludacris and SWV. They are more appealing to advertisers than the 25-40 crowd would ever be because of their deposable income. KISS is going to always be around, and I'm not contesting that one at all. However, JAMZ is very vunerable, and believe me the word is CC isn't making any money with WENN and have an axe to grind with Cox. On Hot 107.7, I don't expect them to last too much longer as an Urban AC or to have Kevin Fox as a PD anyways. <P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P>

 

[RDP]

> > > > Here's an except of a question from All Access'
> > interview
> > > > with 95.7 JAMZ's PD Mickey Johnson question on Hot
> > 107.7:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What's your take on radio in Birmingham currently?
> With
> > > the
> > > > new competition, is it as good as six months ago,
> > better,
> > > or
> > > > about the same? Elaborate.
> > > >
> > > > Its about the same. They are playing some hits from
> the
> > > 80's
> > > > and same stuff they signed on with. The talent is
> > average.
> > >
> > > > It's more like "The Michael Baisden Station." Radio is
>
> > > good
> > > > in Birmingham, and our sister station Kiss continues
> to
> > be
> > >
> > > > huge, even with competition in its face. We've had 5
> > > > different attempts to cut into WBHJ, but no one has
> had
> > > > success. Do you call it luck or good programming?
> Hmmm.
> >
> > > ____________________>
> > >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on
> a
> >
> > > > very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the
> time.
> >
> > > If
> > > > your station faced direct competition from a
> > > well-programmed
> > > > Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be
> cobblered.
> > > Your
> > > > station is the #2 music station by default due to lack
>
> > of
> > > > direct competition. 95.7 JAMZ is a poorly-programmed
> > > Urban
> > > > that is extremely slow at adding new music (Hell 103.1
>
> > > WEUP
> > > > Huntsville and 93BLX Mobile is better at adding new
> > music
> > > > faster than JAMZ) and when they do add it they run it
> > into
> > >
> > > > the ground with overplaying of the song. In addition,
>
> > > JAMZ
> > > > leaves out a lot of hit R&B slow songs that KISS won't
>
> > > play
> > > > due it being too young for their demographic to that
> > would
> > >
> > > > do great if they were played in the market. All
> around
> > > JAMZ
> > > > is a typical cookie-cutter station that is winning due
>
> > to
> > > no
> > > > competition.
> > > >
> > > > I hope 2006 is the year Clear Channel does change the
> > > format
> > > > of WENN back to Mainstream Urban on the new 105.5
> signal
> >
> > > and
> > > > shuts JAMZ down permanantly because CC isn't making
> > money
> > > > with gospel-formatted WENN and the madness needs to
> end
> > in
> > >
> > > > Birmingham.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > jaleo23 You really don't understand radio at all. First
> of
> >
> > > all the days of a Mainstream Urban in Birmingham WILL
> NOT
> > > WORK anymore. If WENN was still around they would not be
>
> > > mainstream. Clear Channel is very smart, they will not
> put
> > a
> > > Mainstream Urban in Birmingham and be forced to sell the
>
> > > spots for 25 dollars a spot. Plus it'll be voicetracked
> > and
> > > we all know that's a no no in da ham. Have you ever
> heard
> > of
> > > research? Every song that's put on Jamz and KISS are
> > > researched from note to note...that's why they are
> > WINNING.
> > > Every market is different, but you gotta see it is what
> it
> >
> > > is. It's been proven that NO ADULT 25-54 want to sit
> > through
> > > a Jay Z record to hear there favorite Anita Baker
> record.
> > I
> > > hear you always bragging about 'PGC, V-103, KKDA and
> > > 'GCI...those station are HERITAGE stations in their
> > > perspective markets, they can get away with it. Jamz is
> > one
> > > of the top rated stations in the country not because of
> > luck
> > > because they understand their product and the people
> they
> > > are programmed to. KISS is in the same boat.
> > > RESEARCH....Remember the work homie!
> > >
> >
> > I understand radio plenty from Arbs to billing. Have you
> > ever heard of the notion of OVERRESEARCHED? Yeah, it very
>
> > possible for a station(s) to be over researched and guess
> > what that's exactly what JAMZ is. It also very easy to
> win
> > in Birmingham and be one of the top rated stations in the
> > country if you're the only station that targets one
> > particular audience (18-34 (to be honest 12-24 is their
> real
> > demo) demographic that listens to hip hop and R&B). Just
> > use WRAX as a good example.
> >
> > On Clear Channel, I know for a fact that voicetracking and
>
> > syndication if one of their corp. policies, but tell me
> > something new about corporate radio. Have you noticed
> that
> > all of those stations I praise also have a little thing
> > called competition. As many have said before me,
> > competition keeps the heritage stations at the top of
> their
> > game which very much not true about JAMZ sloppy
> > presentation. Another thing is that billing wouldn't be a
>
> > problem if you can win in your target demo and is capable
> of
> > proving that appealing not just the African American
> > community only like those other stations have also proven.
>
> > I know for one that if CC did good research as they have
> in
> > Tampa and its in the top 5 in ratings and billing after
> only
> > 2 years. So they are very capable of running a strong
> > Mainstream Urban in this market if it's well-programmed.
>
> >
> > On the music note, somebody 25-54 probably wouldn't be
> > listening to a station that plays Jay-Z after Anita Baker
> > anyways. Which also very unlikely for any Urban in this
> > country to have such playlist like besides WJMZ
> Greenville,
> > SC. I'm talking about an Urban that can play hip hop and
> > R&B songs from as far back as 1988 to today that would
> > target the 18-34 demographic. Something like play the
> > current song from Ludacris and then a throwback from SWV
> > from the mid 1990's. And a station that is willing to
> play
> > slow jams at night either from 10pm to 2am or midnight to
> > 6am. That's the type of Urban this market is currently
> > lacking.
> >
>
>
> I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and a
> station like that would get killed by COX all day and nite
> because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna listen to
> ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and Hot plays
> them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between the
> ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD TO HEAR
> THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in Birmingham
> all the time! This market has changed and the days of those
> type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major markets where
> those stations are heritage stations and have been in the
> market place for over 30 years and the music isn't the
> reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.
>
I feel your flow. Stations like the old WENN and Hot 105 from Montgomery, are gone forever. I can remember when Hot 105 was all over the map and played something for everyone.

However WJWZ came into existence, because there was a huge demand for a younger skewing Urban station, that didn't play the old school, slow Jamz, traditional Gospel and Blues.

Once 97.9 Jamz signed on, Hot 105 was forced to tweak their playlist, in order to compete with this new kid.

Hot has even dropped the Quiet Storm, to continue to compete with 97.9 Jamz.

Last time I checked, 97.9 was still doing better than Hot, in the Gump. If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

I realize that our friend wants to have an Urban station that caters to all age groups, on that one station but you aren't going to find many of them any longer.

WBFZ 105.3 FM here in Selma and the Big station WKXN/WKXK Greeville, Montgomery and Pine Hill are some of the Urban's that have a broad playlist and can still get away with it.

RDP <><

P.S. Most of the Urban's I know of, now tend to focus on a certain age group. Back in the day, the Urban stations would be all over the map and played something for everyone. Those days are long gone and if you were to do something like that, you would be taking a risk, that may fall flat on you.

 

[doeboy]

> > I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and a
> > station like that would get killed by COX all day and nite
>
> > because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna listen
> to
> > ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and Hot
> plays
> > them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between the
> > ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD TO
> HEAR
> > THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in
> Birmingham
> > all the time! This market has changed and the days of
> those
> > type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major markets
> where
> > those stations are heritage stations and have been in the
> > market place for over 30 years and the music isn't the
> > reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.
> >
>
> I'm not talking about the 25-40 but the 18-34 demographic,
> so please stay on the subject. I'm talking about the 18-34
> demographic and this demographic would listen to Ludacris
> and SWV. They are more appealing to advertisers than the
> 25-40 crowd would ever be because of their deposable income.
> KISS is going to always be around, and I'm not contesting
> that one at all. However, JAMZ is very vunerable, and
> believe me the word is CC isn't making any money with WENN
> and have an axe to grind with Cox. On Hot 107.7, I don't
> expect them to last too much longer as an Urban AC or to
> have Kevin Fox as a PD anyways.


Let's talk 18-34 then and the swv record you are talking about...keep in mind you are in BIRMINGHAM not ATL or DC or CHI-Town..ect ect. The 18 year old girl you are talking about when SWV was hot was about 5 years old and the average 34 year old was 21 at that time now she might remember SWV but at 34 do you think she's listening to ludacris? Now that 34 year is probably married or with children or both, the average FEMALE between 25 and 34 prefers KISS over anyother station in Birmingham 4 to 1. The 18 year old might know ludacris but SWV? SHE will hit the dial on you with the quickness! This is not just talk this is fact. Hot 107 is the vulnerable one because they don't know what they want. Kiss and Jamz knows the market and they are not guessing. Hot is playing rap and R&B and they got a 4.5 or something like that, you can't make money like that. I was in Atlanta about 2 weeks ago and they are not a legitimate 18-34 station, they kinda lean young too. Clear Channel tried the mainstream thing and it didn't work do you think they want to try that voictracking stuff and get that A## handed to them twice? I doubt it! These are just facts that can be supported
>

 

[jaleo23]

> > > I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and a
> > > station like that would get killed by COX all day and
> nite
> >
> > > because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna listen
>
> > to
> > > ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and Hot
> > plays
> > > them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between the
>
> > > ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD TO
> > HEAR
> > > THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in
> > Birmingham
> > > all the time! This market has changed and the days of
> > those
> > > type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major markets
> > where
> > > those stations are heritage stations and have been in
> the
> > > market place for over 30 years and the music isn't the
> > > reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not talking about the 25-40 but the 18-34 demographic,
>
> > so please stay on the subject. I'm talking about the
> 18-34
> > demographic and this demographic would listen to Ludacris
> > and SWV. They are more appealing to advertisers than the
> > 25-40 crowd would ever be because of their deposable
> income.
> > KISS is going to always be around, and I'm not contesting
>
> > that one at all. However, JAMZ is very vunerable, and
> > believe me the word is CC isn't making any money with WENN
>
> > and have an axe to grind with Cox. On Hot 107.7, I don't
> > expect them to last too much longer as an Urban AC or to
> > have Kevin Fox as a PD anyways.
>
>
> Let's talk 18-34 then and the swv record you are talking
> about...keep in mind you are in BIRMINGHAM not ATL or DC or
> CHI-Town..ect ect. The 18 year old girl you are talking
> about when SWV was hot was about 5 years old and the average
> 34 year old was 21 at that time now she might remember SWV
> but at 34 do you think she's listening to ludacris? Now that
> 34 year is probably married or with children or both, the
> average FEMALE between 25 and 34 prefers KISS over anyother
> station in Birmingham 4 to 1. The 18 year old might know
> ludacris but SWV? SHE will hit the dial on you with the
> quickness! This is not just talk this is fact. Hot 107 is
> the vulnerable one because they don't know what they want.
> Kiss and Jamz knows the market and they are not guessing.
> Hot is playing rap and R&B and they got a 4.5 or something
> like that, you can't make money like that. I was in Atlanta
> about 2 weeks ago and they are not a legitimate 18-34
> station, they kinda lean young too. Clear Channel tried the
> mainstream thing and it didn't work do you think they want
> to try that voictracking stuff and get that A## handed to
> them twice? I doubt it! These are just facts that can be
> supported
> >

I see what you are saying. However, the average female between 25 and 34 would hit the dial if they heard a Betty Wright song on KISS just as quick. Females between the ages of 18 to 34 are the ficklest demographic to satisfy. I agree Hot 107.7 is very vunerable, but its because their playlist is 90% R&B with little to no hip hop or rap that appeals to younger end of the demographic. The fact of it is Hot will be forced to skew younger sooner than later with more current hip hop is a no brainer. However, the fact that the younger end of the demographic usually doesn't listen to between the hours of 10am to 2pm and after 10pm at night would allow any station in this market to play throwback songs. If you program your station by each individual daypart instead of this broad idea that the overplaying of the songs with the same 10 throwback songs would prove it. You could play a song from 15 years to now during the midday and late night hours and get away with it because nobody under 25 probably listening at that time anyways. Finally, I'm advocating that JAMZ is vurnerable because they lack of ability to play a wider variety of music that targets the entire demographic show. If a mainstream urban that play a very similar playlist and dayparts as theirs, but with more throwback songs in between during the midday and slower R&B songs during late night hours (after 10pm) would hurt them and KISS. <P ID="signature">______________
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[doeboy]

> > > > I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and a
>
> > > > station like that would get killed by COX all day and
> > nite
> > >
> > > > because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna
> listen
> >
> > > to
> > > > ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and Hot
> > > plays
> > > > them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between
> the
> >
> > > > ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD TO
>
> > > HEAR
> > > > THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in
> > > Birmingham
> > > > all the time! This market has changed and the days of
> > > those
> > > > type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major markets
>
> > > where
> > > > those stations are heritage stations and have been in
> > the
> > > > market place for over 30 years and the music isn't the
>
> > > > reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm not talking about the 25-40 but the 18-34
> demographic,
> >
> > > so please stay on the subject. I'm talking about the
> > 18-34
> > > demographic and this demographic would listen to
> Ludacris
> > > and SWV. They are more appealing to advertisers than
> the
> > > 25-40 crowd would ever be because of their deposable
> > income.
> > > KISS is going to always be around, and I'm not
> contesting
> >
> > > that one at all. However, JAMZ is very vunerable, and
> > > believe me the word is CC isn't making any money with
> WENN
> >
> > > and have an axe to grind with Cox. On Hot 107.7, I
> don't
> > > expect them to last too much longer as an Urban AC or to
>
> > > have Kevin Fox as a PD anyways.
> >
> >
> > Let's talk 18-34 then and the swv record you are talking
> > about...keep in mind you are in BIRMINGHAM not ATL or DC
> or
> > CHI-Town..ect ect. The 18 year old girl you are talking
> > about when SWV was hot was about 5 years old and the
> average
> > 34 year old was 21 at that time now she might remember SWV
>
> > but at 34 do you think she's listening to ludacris? Now
> that
> > 34 year is probably married or with children or both, the
> > average FEMALE between 25 and 34 prefers KISS over
> anyother
> > station in Birmingham 4 to 1. The 18 year old might know
> > ludacris but SWV? SHE will hit the dial on you with the
> > quickness! This is not just talk this is fact. Hot 107 is
> > the vulnerable one because they don't know what they want.
>
> > Kiss and Jamz knows the market and they are not guessing.
> > Hot is playing rap and R&B and they got a 4.5 or something
>
> > like that, you can't make money like that. I was in
> Atlanta
> > about 2 weeks ago and they are not a legitimate 18-34
> > station, they kinda lean young too. Clear Channel tried
> the
> > mainstream thing and it didn't work do you think they want
>
> > to try that voictracking stuff and get that A## handed to
> > them twice? I doubt it! These are just facts that can be
> > supported
> > >
>
> I see what you are saying. However, the average female
> between 25 and 34 would hit the dial if they heard a Betty
> Wright song on KISS just as quick. Females between the ages
> of 18 to 34 are the ficklest demographic to satisfy. I
> agree Hot 107.7 is very vunerable, but its because their
> playlist is 90% R&B with little to no hip hop or rap that
> appeals to younger end of the demographic. The fact of it
> is Hot will be forced to skew younger sooner than later with
> more current hip hop is a no brainer. However, the fact
> that the younger end of the demographic usually doesn't
> listen to between the hours of 10am to 2pm and after 10pm at
> night would allow any station in this market to play
> throwback songs. If you program your station by each
> individual daypart instead of this broad idea that the
> overplaying of the songs with the same 10 throwback songs
> would prove it. You could play a song from 15 years to now
> during the midday and late night hours and get away with it
> because nobody under 25 probably listening at that time
> anyways. Finally, I'm advocating that JAMZ is vurnerable
> because they lack of ability to play a wider variety of
> music that targets the entire demographic show. If a
> mainstream urban that play a very similar playlist and
> dayparts as theirs, but with more throwback songs in between
> during the midday and slower R&B songs during late night
> hours (after 10pm) would hurt them and KISS.
>

Ok, let me see if you understand it this way because your thinking in radio right now is soooooo 1981. See in radio we have what you might call this pie and from 6a-7p the pie is huge because their are MORE listeners at that time so your theory of younger listener not listening from 10a-2p is not correct. In fact there are more listeners listening to the radio in all demos from 6a-7p the any other times combined. There is a such thing as dayparting, some songs are more of a fit at nite than it is at day. Do you remember V-105.9, they had a quiet storm type show the one you are talking about that came on after Dwight Stone went off the air and KISS MURDERED them. I think Kim Moore had like a 30 share 25-54 and 22 share 18-34. Kiss is not programmed to 18-34 listeners so your theory about the Betty Wright record is not supported because Kiss don't make their money with them that's a JAMZ thing. Plus, I'd have to disagree with you about 25-34 year old female turning off the radio when they hear a betty wright record. Kiss is NUMBER 1 with women 25-34 in Birmingham and the top 5 most requested record with women in BIRMINGHAM is betty wright..."tonight is the nite" because their mothers use to play that reord whent they were children and the old WENN 107 played it at nite from 6-10. Plus women between the ages of 25 and 34 Loves old school in this market, that's why KISS wins EVERY BOOK. It's called RESEARCH my friend and that's why COX wins in every book...the numbers don't LIE!

 

[Nate Wesley]

>
> Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on a
> very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the time. If
> your station faced direct competition from a well-programmed
> Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be cobblered.

Peach or pear? Oooh, could it be cherry?




(move on, it's the NyQuil talking)<P ID="signature">______________
What, you were expecting me to make sense for a change?</P>

 

[jaleo23]

> > > > > I am saying it's all about the dollar these days and
> a
> >
> > > > > station like that would get killed by COX all day
> and
> > > nite
> > > >
> > > > > because a female 25-40 in Birmingham is not gonna
> > listen
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > ludacris then wait for a swv record when Kiss and
> Hot
> > > > plays
> > > > > them both. It's been proven dawg, that women between
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > ages of 25-40 DO NOT WANNA SIT THROUGH A RAP RECORD
> TO
> >
> > > > HEAR
> > > > > THEIR FAVORITE R&B SONG! That's why Kiss wins in
> > > > Birmingham
> > > > > all the time! This market has changed and the days
> of
> > > > those
> > > > > type of urbans are gone!!! except in the major
> markets
> >
> > > > where
> > > > > those stations are heritage stations and have been
> in
> > > the
> > > > > market place for over 30 years and the music isn't
> the
> >
> > > > > reason the station wins, it's the TALENT.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not talking about the 25-40 but the 18-34
> > demographic,
> > >
> > > > so please stay on the subject. I'm talking about the
> > > 18-34
> > > > demographic and this demographic would listen to
> > Ludacris
> > > > and SWV. They are more appealing to advertisers than
> > the
> > > > 25-40 crowd would ever be because of their deposable
> > > income.
> > > > KISS is going to always be around, and I'm not
> > contesting
> > >
> > > > that one at all. However, JAMZ is very vunerable, and
>
> > > > believe me the word is CC isn't making any money with
> > WENN
> > >
> > > > and have an axe to grind with Cox. On Hot 107.7, I
> > don't
> > > > expect them to last too much longer as an Urban AC or
> to
> >
> > > > have Kevin Fox as a PD anyways.
> > >
> > >
> > > Let's talk 18-34 then and the swv record you are talking
>
> > > about...keep in mind you are in BIRMINGHAM not ATL or DC
>
> > or
> > > CHI-Town..ect ect. The 18 year old girl you are talking
> > > about when SWV was hot was about 5 years old and the
> > average
> > > 34 year old was 21 at that time now she might remember
> SWV
> >
> > > but at 34 do you think she's listening to ludacris? Now
> > that
> > > 34 year is probably married or with children or both,
> the
> > > average FEMALE between 25 and 34 prefers KISS over
> > anyother
> > > station in Birmingham 4 to 1. The 18 year old might know
>
> > > ludacris but SWV? SHE will hit the dial on you with the
> > > quickness! This is not just talk this is fact. Hot 107
> is
> > > the vulnerable one because they don't know what they
> want.
> >
> > > Kiss and Jamz knows the market and they are not
> guessing.
> > > Hot is playing rap and R&B and they got a 4.5 or
> something
> >
> > > like that, you can't make money like that. I was in
> > Atlanta
> > > about 2 weeks ago and they are not a legitimate 18-34
> > > station, they kinda lean young too. Clear Channel tried
> > the
> > > mainstream thing and it didn't work do you think they
> want
> >
> > > to try that voictracking stuff and get that A## handed
> to
> > > them twice? I doubt it! These are just facts that can be
>
> > > supported
> > > >
> >
> > I see what you are saying. However, the average female
> > between 25 and 34 would hit the dial if they heard a Betty
>
> > Wright song on KISS just as quick. Females between the
> ages
> > of 18 to 34 are the ficklest demographic to satisfy. I
> > agree Hot 107.7 is very vunerable, but its because their
> > playlist is 90% R&B with little to no hip hop or rap that
> > appeals to younger end of the demographic. The fact of it
>
> > is Hot will be forced to skew younger sooner than later
> with
> > more current hip hop is a no brainer. However, the fact
> > that the younger end of the demographic usually doesn't
> > listen to between the hours of 10am to 2pm and after 10pm
> at
> > night would allow any station in this market to play
> > throwback songs. If you program your station by each
> > individual daypart instead of this broad idea that the
> > overplaying of the songs with the same 10 throwback songs
> > would prove it. You could play a song from 15 years to
> now
> > during the midday and late night hours and get away with
> it
> > because nobody under 25 probably listening at that time
> > anyways. Finally, I'm advocating that JAMZ is vurnerable
> > because they lack of ability to play a wider variety of
> > music that targets the entire demographic show. If a
> > mainstream urban that play a very similar playlist and
> > dayparts as theirs, but with more throwback songs in
> between
> > during the midday and slower R&B songs during late night
> > hours (after 10pm) would hurt them and KISS.
> >
>
> Ok, let me see if you understand it this way because your
> thinking in radio right now is soooooo 1981. See in radio we
> have what you might call this pie and from 6a-7p the pie is
> huge because their are MORE listeners at that time so your
> theory of younger listener not listening from 10a-2p is not
> correct. In fact there are more listeners listening to the
> radio in all demos from 6a-7p the any other times combined.
> There is a such thing as dayparting, some songs are more of
> a fit at nite than it is at day. Do you remember V-105.9,
> they had a quiet storm type show the one you are talking
> about that came on after Dwight Stone went off the air and
> KISS MURDERED them. I think Kim Moore had like a 30 share
> 25-54 and 22 share 18-34. Kiss is not programmed to 18-34
> listeners so your theory about the Betty Wright record is
> not supported because Kiss don't make their money with them
> that's a JAMZ thing. Plus, I'd have to disagree with you
> about 25-34 year old female turning off the radio when they
> hear a betty wright record. Kiss is NUMBER 1 with women
> 25-34 in Birmingham and the top 5 most requested record with
> women in BIRMINGHAM is betty wright..."tonight is the nite"
> because their mothers use to play that reord whent they were
> children and the old WENN 107 played it at nite from 6-10.
> Plus women between the ages of 25 and 34 Loves old school in
> this market, that's why KISS wins EVERY BOOK. It's called
> RESEARCH my friend and that's why COX wins in every
> book...the numbers don't LIE!
>

RESEARCH don't have anything to do with it. So, I'm through debating, but did you ever notice that V-105.9's signal was barely heard anywhere west of the B'ham airport (my point well-established). CC's problem with WENN @ 105.9 back then was the signal NOT the programming. However, I have come to the conclusion you do work for COX Birmingham, so I will let you continue to cheerlead for your employer. I'm done.

Goodnight.<P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P>

 

[jaleo23]

> >
> > Can you say arrogant. Mickey you station lucked up on a
> > very bad situation in the Birmingham market at the time.
> If
> > your station faced direct competition from a
> well-programmed
> > Urban on a full-powered signal JAMZ would be cobblered.
>
> Peach or pear? Oooh, could it be cherry?
>
>
>
>
> (move on, it's the NyQuil talking)
>

LOL You're too funny. <P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P>

 

[Nate Wesley]

> >
>
> RESEARCH don't have anything to do with it. So, I'm through
> debating, but did you ever notice that V-105.9's signal was
> barely heard anywhere west of the B'ham airport (my point
> well-established). CC's problem with WENN @ 105.9 back then
> was the signal NOT the programming. However, I have come to
> the conclusion you do work for COX Birmingham, so I will let
> you continue to cheerlead for your employer. I'm done.
>
> Goodnight.
>

But you just said they were over-researched...oh never mind.<P ID="signature">______________
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