WBLS

[JH_Radio]

Can get WBLS here from Bensalem, PA and find that I pull it in better with my Carver TX-11B and probably with the Rotel RT-1084. although I haven't tried with the Rotel yet.
the Sony XDR-F1HD compresses the stereo signal somewhat.
on the Carver, I have to put it in narrow mode as in wide mode I get bleed from 107.3 W297CL (WBCB's translator.)
Does WBLS put out a strong signal?
The format is Rhythmic Throwbacks? Its not Urban AC I don't think.
Although I know 94.7 just switched from country not long ago to a rhythmic throwback format.

 

[MVB13]

Can get WBLS here from Bensalem, PA and find that I pull it in better with my Carver TX-11B and probably with the Rotel RT-1084. although I haven't tried with the Rotel yet.
the Sony XDR-F1HD compresses the stereo signal somewhat.
on the Carver, I have to put it in narrow mode as in wide mode I get bleed from 107.3 W297CL (WBCB's translator.)
Does WBLS put out a strong signal?
The format is Rhythmic Throwbacks? Its not Urban AC I don't think.
Although I know 94.7 just switched from country not long ago to a rhythmic throwback format.

It's Adult R&B.They have less power than other NYC stations.

 

[JH_Radio]

It's Adult R&B.They have less power than other NYC stations.

I didn't know "What's Love" by Fat Joe would be considered Adult R&B.

I think the reason other NYC stations do not come in or not well at all anymore is due to all of the HD sidebands here in Philly,.
I do get WFAN in stereo with lots of static and I think WEPN but don't hold me to that one.
Before the HD I was able to get at the time WRXP, WRKS, WPLJ, WNEW as in "Blink..."
WKTU had issues bleedthru from WPRB.
when WKVP was off the air I was once again able to get WLTW , but WLTW came in perfect before WKVP used HD.
This at the time was using a Modified Yamaha T-85 tuner with the stereo muting defeated. Super wide mode had a 280 kHZ filter, the wide mode aded a 150KHZ filter and the rest were 110's.
I was able to get it in super wide mode, with the exception of WKTU but even in wide mode that came in with the bleed.
This is with an antennacraft antenna with roter on a 30 foot mask.

 

[Xale57]

Does WBYN cause any interference?

 

[MVB13]

You also have WRNB and WBEB blocking Z100 and WCBS.

 

[Xale57]

You also have WRNB and WBEB blocking Z100 and WCBS.

I actually managed to null out WRNB and get Z100 when I stayed in a hotel in Trevose, 5 years ago. But the room I stayed at was on the 5th floor facing North. There was no tropo activity at the time.

 

[victorres43]

I didn't know "What's Love" by Fat Joe would be considered Adult R&B.

Classic hip-hop is a growing component of the Urban AC format. For comparison, check out the playlists for Atlanta's Kiss 104.1 and Majic 107.5. Also, KBLX in San Francisco.

 

[Theater of My Mind]

Guys, you don't need to null out anything. It's 2022, you can stream all those stations.

 

[Gregg.]

Most FM stations on the Empire State Building put out about 6,000 watts. WLTW, WAXQ, WSKQ, etc. But WBLS is putting out 4,200 watts. I'm not sure why. There is a 107.3 in Boyerstown PA. But that station went on the air in 1969, while 107.5 first went on the air in 1951. I don't think there are other stations nearby that a full power WBLS would cause interference.

WPAT-FM 93.1 is also underpowered, broadcasting at 5,400 watts. And WQXR 105.9 is way underpowered, at only 610 watts. These two stations originally had their towers in New Jersey. So when they moved to the Empire State Building, they couldn't go full power.

But 107.5 was always was on the Empire State Building. Did the original owner decide to save some money by not going full power? In 1951, it started as WEVD-FM, co-owned with 1330 AM. WEVD-FM, a few year later, moved to 97.9. So for a few years 107.5 was silent. Then it became WLIB-FM in 1965, co-owned with 1190 WLIB. The current call sign, WBLS, came in 1972.

 

[Xale57]

Guys, you don't need to null out anything. It's 2022, you can stream all those stations.

Well from a DX hobby standpoint. Otherwise 95.7 BEN would be my choice to listen to in that area. Likewise when Philly stations boom into my area (mainly in the Summer), 10 miles NW of NYC, I always try to null out WCBS and WHTZ for the Philly frequencies.

 

[K.M. Richards]

WEVD-FM was listed in the 1951 Broadcasting Yearbook as being 20kW at 107.9mc. In 1953, it was at 97.9mc with the same ERP.

It stayed at that power until the 1973 Yearbook, which listed it as 2.4kW. One year later, it was listed as 5.3kW horizontal and 4.6kW vertical.

 

[davideduardo]

It's Adult R&B.They have less power than other NYC stations.

It is about 2000 watts less than the highest power Empire State Building shared antenna users. The difference between it and the higher power stations is very minimal and would not be noticed until you get out to White Plains, Edison or Levittown. Keep in mind that height is as important or, in areas with obstructions, more important than power.

 

[davideduardo]

Most FM stations on the Empire State Building put out about 6,000 watts. WLTW, WAXQ, WSKQ, etc. But WBLS is putting out 4,200 watts. I'm not sure why. There is a 107.3 in Boyerstown PA. But that station went on the air in 1969, while 107.5 first went on the air in 1951. I don't think there are other stations nearby that a full power WBLS would cause interference.

Remember, stations don't just protect the same frequency; they protect adjacent and second adjacent channels on each side.

WPAT-FM 93.1 is also underpowered, broadcasting at 5,400 watts. And WQXR 105.9 is way underpowered, at only 610 watts. These two stations originally had their towers in New Jersey. So when they moved to the Empire State Building, they couldn't go full power.

WPAT could be full power from another location. Remember, it used to be on one of the World Trade towers.

But 107.5 was always was on the Empire State Building. Did the original owner decide to save some money by not going full power? In 1951, it started as WEVD-FM, co-owned with 1330 AM. WEVD-FM, a few year later, moved to 97.9. So for a few years 107.5 was silent. Then it became WLIB-FM in 1965, co-owned with 1190 WLIB. The current call sign, WBLS, came in 1972.

The cost of electricity in a market like NYC is "petty cash" compared to the billing of even a poorly performing station. As Scott Fybush may wish to detail, the cost of being on a tall building in NYC vastly and enormously exceeds the cost of a few kilowatt hours of electricity each hour.

Do the math. The Class B New York FMs bill, on average, about $18 million a year, give or take. If the transmitters and gear use 5 to 6 kilowatt hours an hour for electricity at the current NYC commercial rate, that is about $16,000 a year.

 

[davideduardo]

It's Adult R&B.They have less power than other NYC stations.

But they are the fifth highest FM biller in the whole market, per industry estimates.

 

[JH_Radio]

No interference from WBYN.
Here's two files that demmo the difference between 3 different tuners.
I prefer the Rotel RT-1084 over Carver TX-11B or Sony XDR-F1HD.
The Carver has a bit more splatter in the narrow settings.
the Sony to me is quietest but compresses the stereo signal a bit.
Your opinions?
Yes , this is what I call fun.

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[JH_Radio]

Guys, you don't need to null out anything. It's 2022, you can stream all those stations.

But streaming isn't the same.
for one thing FM and AM air chains have a completely different sound than streaming.
Some stations do stream direct off a monitor but not many.

For another, I want to hear the actual local commercials, which you don't get with streaming.
I've heard things get cut off in streaming more times than I care to count, when its break time.

 

[Marcos_C]

I've heard things get cut off in streaming more times than I care to count, when its break time.

Like, for example, the station ID of 1010 WINS* at one minute before the hour. It is not heard on the live stream because it is too close to the commercial break.


* = WINS, WINS-HD, WNEW-HD3 New York, an Audacy station.

 

[radio128]

But streaming isn't the same.
for one thing FM and AM air chains have a completely different sound than streaming.
Some stations do stream direct off a monitor but not many.

For another, I want to hear the actual local commercials, which you don't get with streaming.
I've heard things get cut off in streaming more times than I care to count, when its break time.

Stations that have mostly local commercials not agency spots usually stream 100% of the on air signal. I hear all local ads on WLNG, WDJO and KYNO.

 

[RoddyFreeman]

WEVD-FM was listed in the 1951 Broadcasting Yearbook as being 20kW at 107.9mc. In 1953, it was at 97.9mc with the same ERP.

It stayed at that power until the 1973 Yearbook, which listed it as 2.4kW. One year later, it was listed as 5.3kW horizontal and 4.6kW vertical.

If it was 20KW, it obviously was not on the Empire State Building at the time.

 

[JH_Radio]

Stations that have mostly local commercials not agency spots usually stream 100% of the on air signal. I hear all local ads on WLNG, WDJO and KYNO.

What's the difference between local commercials and agency spots?
Do you mean local vs, say a national fast food joint?