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WBUF Flips To Rock

There are two different discussions going on in this thread. One suggesting what you said, that obviously didn't happen, and the view presented by Buddy, who says Cumulus should flip The Edge to country. Buddy has also felt that 107.7 should have gone country. I gave three examples where one company is running two different country stations. I can also give examples where one company is running two competing hot country stations. In Kansas City, Steel City owns KBEQ and KFKF. Cumulus owns two competing hot country stations in Des Moines. Also similar examples in Austin and Dallas, but I expect you believe Buffalo is not like either of those cities, and I'd agree.

I'm just saying if you say Buffalo is like Pittsburgh, then Buffalo should be able to support at least one more country station. The fact that Syracuse and Erie each have two competing country stations shows that it can be done.

It’s not about the ratings. It about the revenue.
 
The biggest money making formats are news, talk, sports, country.


And various Spanish language formats in markets that are 20% Hispanic or greater.

And Urban and/or Urban AC in the markets with high percentages of Black residents
 
Maybe the difference is that WYRK is usually #1 in Buffalo. Townsquare didn't flip JACK to some form of Country, so they must see no revenue upside. A second Country format could cut into the WYRK ratings. The point is moot at the moment because JACK is now Classic Rock...

Townsquare also welcomed the breeze. A flop. I would not take advice from Townsquare.
 
I don't think Townsquare would concur with your assessment. Why would they have flipped JACK to a second Country format to compete with WYRK (which they already own?). That makes no sense.

You may be right about the "No Revenue" part, although I don't know why it "concerns" you. You should be pleased that they didn't flip to Oldies. There's no guarantee that the new WBUF will get Ratings or Revenue. It may get neither as the format is painfully stale...

Let them flip oldies. WECK would win. We market. We are local. We sound like a top ten market. I would welcome the competition.
 
Townsquare Buffalo did not get your memo. They didn't flip JACK to Country. They must be incompetent.

Some others have mentioned that perhaps they are weary of paying the fees for using the JACK brand. 92.9 is a big signal that has had very limited success. That is likely to continue when you have no new programming ideas...

They are incompetent. They inherited a country format and an urban format. The formats they have created have flopped
 
Country would not work on weck or I would have done it. Oldies does.
Any reason why Classic Country (Johnny Cash, etc...) would not work on WECK? I'm not suggesting that you try it. WECK is beating WBUF, WEDG, and others in the latest ratings. Your station is doing quite nicely.
It's still well below your 5 share guarantee and is not beating WHTT (Classic Hits).

Listening habits in a city like Buffalo are entrenched. Without significant population churn or growth, you are just recycling the same people. WBUF will get nowhere with its current playlist. It's a great example of why people stop using Radio...
 
Any reason why Classic Country (Johnny Cash, etc...) would not work on WECK? I'm not suggesting that you try it. WECK is beating WBUF, WEDG, and others in the latest ratings. Your station is doing quite nicely.
It's still well below your 5 share guarantee and is not beating WHTT (Classic Hits).

Listening habits in a city like Buffalo are entrenched. Without significant population churn or growth, you are just recycling the same people. WBUF will get nowhere with its current playlist. It's a great example of why people stop using Radio...
There is a very small segment that would want c classic country format. Btw, WECK also beat WMSX , WLKK,

The way things are looking, I don’t think many stations will hit a 5 share. A 4 share WECK is easily in our range, and in 45 plus we are top 4 in metro. That’s all I care about.

The FCC has an issue in front of it right now of allowing original programming on translators. I have the best translator in the market and getting another

if that gets passed, I know exactly what I am going to do.

As far as Buf, that was the wrong format decision. However, it will help WECK and our sister station More 101.1. They had a nice cume gain this ratings period.
 
I'm curious if Townsquare's making Chris Crowley OM of the cluster in February has anything to do with the flip? I noticed the imaging voice on WBUF sounds just like the one for Rochester's WCMF, for which Crowley was PD.
 
To follow up on something TheBigA mentioned: YES, Rochester has 2 country stations. WBEE is the gold standard in the city. WNBL is a non-starter; it's Rochester's answer to WBUF(in terms of how many formats it's burned through in the past 20 years). There are NO local staffers on 107.3 the Bull; everything's either via satellite or voice-tracking. WBEE at least has the majority of its staff live and local.
 
WNBL is a non-starter; it's Rochester's answer to WBUF(in terms of how many formats it's burned through in the past 20 years). There are NO local staffers on 107.3 the Bull; everything's either via satellite or voice-tracking.

That's because it's a rim shot that barely reaches the city. I'd suggest that WLKK has better coverage of Buffalo than WNBL has of Rochester.
 
That's because it's a rim shot that barely reaches the city. I'd suggest that WLKK has better coverage of Buffalo than WNBL has of Rochester.
I'd suggest that you're wrong, especially inside buildings. Even in cars WLKK is listenable in the eastern suburbs but not in buildings without an antenna. In the city, and north and south of the city even car listening needed help from a translator or two.
 
I'd suggest that you're wrong, especially inside buildings. Even in cars WLKK is listenable in the eastern suburbs but not in buildings without an antenna. In the city, and north and south of the city even car listening needed help from a translator or two.

I was talking about WNBL in Rochester.
 
I'm curious if Townsquare's making Chris Crowley OM of the cluster in February has anything to do with the flip? I noticed the imaging voice on WBUF sounds just like the one for Rochester's WCMF, for which Crowley was PD.
Possible. PDs like to repeat the things they've done before. If it fails, then he's on to Albuquerque, Green Bay or The Beach...
 
Possible. PDs like to repeat the things they've done before. If it fails, then he's on to Albuquerque, Green Bay or The Beach...
Even at rather market autonomous Townsquare, group owned stations do not make format changes or modifications based on the local PD. To the contrary, the PD is hired to fit the format corporate (with or without the local manager's participation) has determined best fits their strategy.

Of course, a PD may be hired to come in and effect a predetermined change. But it is seldom the PD alone that makes a programming decision. Some PDs are specialists in a single format... others are able to do nearly any format presented to them.
 
Even at rather market autonomous Townsquare, group owned stations do not make format changes or modifications based on the local PD. To the contrary, the PD is hired to fit the format corporate (with or without the local manager's participation) has determined best fits their strategy.

Of course, a PD may be hired to come in and effect a predetermined change. But it is seldom the PD alone that makes a programming decision. Some PDs are specialists in a single format... others are able to do nearly any format presented to them.
Since this guy has been the OM for a while, he may have suggested the change. The strategy seems to be "Out Rock the aging Classic Rocker". It's lame and it makes Radio look ridiculous. Another station playing Boston, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC won't work. White men between 25-45 are likely to be listening to Rap, Hip Hop, or Country. They are more likely to be listening to their own playlists...
 
Since this guy has been the OM for a while, he may have suggested the change.

Format changes are made for financial reasons, not personal taste in music. Nobody suggests changes in programming without first running it past the sales folks. If they can sell it, they make the change.
 
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