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WBWT-LP............
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I didn't even know Bustos was in the TV business.
Once the new LP station goes on the air, I wonder what kind of interference there will be for those in Racine & Kenosha Counties. I understand that WBWT-LP is directional, and so is WCPX in Chicago. For both stations, I wonder if they have to protect WGVU Grand Rapids on ch. 35, because after ch. 35, the only other full market station for the Kalamazoo/Grand Rapids market is WOTV on ch. 41, with translators & LP stations in between. So I wonder if 41 must also be protected. I did notice WCPX is nulled toward Milwaukee, which might be to protect WMVT. Jeremy and others will have to keep us informed as to how much interference there will be in Kenosha & Racine Counties.
I used to be able to watch WMLW with an indoor antenna. When WOCH ended up on 41 it messed it up. I can get both but its a pain in the a**
I can only guess what'll happen between WCPX and WBWT.
I can only guess what'll happen between WCPX and WBWT.
Dave said:Once the new LP station goes on the air, I wonder what kind of interference there will be for those in Racine & Kenosha Counties. I understand that WBWT-LP is directional, and so is WCPX in Chicago. For both stations, I wonder if they have to protect WGVU Grand Rapids on ch. 35, because after ch. 35, the only other full market station for the Kalamazoo/Grand Rapids market is WOTV on ch. 41, with translators & LP stations in between. So I wonder if 41 must also be protected. I did notice WCPX is nulled toward Milwaukee, which might be to protect WMVT. Jeremy and others will have to keep us informed as to how much interference there will be in Kenosha & Racine Counties.
See FCC regulations 73.610(b) and 73.698 Table II.
Full-power UHF 2nd and 3rd adjacents (stations separated by 2 or 3 channels) must be at least 31.4km (19.5mi.) apart. So I think you can reasonably assume WCPX, WGVU, and WMVT are not protecting each other, as they're a lot more than 20 miles apart! Likewise for WBWT-LP. Indeed, it's my understanding (though I can't prove it through the rules) that there are no adjacent-channel minimums at all for -LP stations; I know of a LPTV on 28 in Philadelphia on the same tower as a full-power 29, and they've managed to shoehorn in a LP channel 3 in Boston and LPs on 3 and 6 in NYC. (both cities having full-power stations on 2, 4, and 5)
Look at WBWT's directional antenna plot on
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplo...&p330=1.000&p340=0.980&p350=0.980&p360=1.000&
The null isn't towards Chicago - it's over the lake. Many Milwaukee and Chicago stations have DAs with nulls over the lake; my bet is that this is done so they can achieve a higher ERP on shore with less transmitter power. (there's no point in spending transmitter power to cover Lake Michigan: there aren't any ratings diaries on those lake freighters<grin>!)
Paul said:It's too bad this is just going to be (another) Spanish station taking up airspace along with Telemundo. I wonder if Time Warner will carry it?
What else is there? Would another station airing old sitcoms be a more effective use?
Let's face it, LP TV stations are facing uphill battles. Cable systems don't have to carry them, so there's one problem there. WMLW-41 is an exception. Weigel positioned this station extremely well by picking up so much college sports programming. Time Warner, who grumbled about carrying them, finally gave in after subscriber demands. Now they've got the plum Channel 7 spot there.
And they've done well with picking up some decent syndicated shows. Also helps that they cross-promote with the co-owned CBS58. Speaking of 58, Weigel did a good job with building this little station up as well, especially since CBS crashed and burned with local news on their O&O UHF affiliate in Detroit (also a market involved in the New World mass-switch to FOX in the mid-'90s), so much that they no longer air local news, even though they also own the only all-news radio station in the market. Ch. 58 found a niche (heavy on headlines and weather) and while it's far from the top newscast in town, they seem to be doing well.
Most LP stations are not like WMLW. They get stuck with televangelists, home shopping, wall-to-wall infomercials or other nonsense. Spanish-language programming fills the void. They don't have as much need to be carried on cable, as they target a particular type of viewer who will seek them out to watch. I think it's the best choice for a LP station to air. Otherwise, nobody's gonna watch.
My Spanish is terrible, but I do find myself tuning in to T63 occasionally. The telenovelas are a hoot! And it's kind of interesting to watch WWE Raw with Spanish announcers on a Saturday afternoon.
I do wonder why Ch. 38 didn't go with Univision. They don't have an OTA affiliate in Milwaukee.
FightingIrish,
All excellent points you've made.
I think a station that transmits programing in the language of the country that it's broadcasting to (in this case, English) would do slightly better than one that transmits programing in Spanish. I'd love to see the station air random old syndicated sitcoms and movies than Spanish programing (mostly because I don't speak Spanish).
I'm wondering how many people (Spanish speaking or otherwise) even use UHF antennas any more? It can't be very many; which is why I'm wondering how this station will make any money off it's advertising if very few people know of it or will be able to see it since it isn't on Time Warner Cable (yet).
Like I said; I don't speak Spanish; so Univision and Telemundo get pretty much ignored by me except when I'm flipping through the stations and they show something odd.
The last time I used one was to view WMLW over the air before Time Warner moved it to the analog cable lineup from the digital cable lineup (I only have analog cable).
I'd actually had no idea WMLW existed 'till about 5 months before they moved to the analog cable lineup (AGGGGGH!). I cringe to think how many years of oddball syndicated shows I missed on that station.
I think WMLW is great. I love that they air old sitcoms that most other stations won't bother with (or don't have room for). I love Svengoolie and the Stooge-A-Palooza shows. Keep in mind that I was born in 1980 and WMLW is the first local independent station that I'm old enough to appreciate (yes I know others around here have been independent at one time or another).
Well okay; so WVCY is independent; but it's also just a low-budget Christian channel which I have no interest in. I was hoping that WVTV or WCGV would go independent again but obviously that didn't happen.
All excellent points you've made.
I think a station that transmits programing in the language of the country that it's broadcasting to (in this case, English) would do slightly better than one that transmits programing in Spanish. I'd love to see the station air random old syndicated sitcoms and movies than Spanish programing (mostly because I don't speak Spanish).
I'm wondering how many people (Spanish speaking or otherwise) even use UHF antennas any more? It can't be very many; which is why I'm wondering how this station will make any money off it's advertising if very few people know of it or will be able to see it since it isn't on Time Warner Cable (yet).
Like I said; I don't speak Spanish; so Univision and Telemundo get pretty much ignored by me except when I'm flipping through the stations and they show something odd.
The last time I used one was to view WMLW over the air before Time Warner moved it to the analog cable lineup from the digital cable lineup (I only have analog cable).
I'd actually had no idea WMLW existed 'till about 5 months before they moved to the analog cable lineup (AGGGGGH!). I cringe to think how many years of oddball syndicated shows I missed on that station.
I think WMLW is great. I love that they air old sitcoms that most other stations won't bother with (or don't have room for). I love Svengoolie and the Stooge-A-Palooza shows. Keep in mind that I was born in 1980 and WMLW is the first local independent station that I'm old enough to appreciate (yes I know others around here have been independent at one time or another).
Well okay; so WVCY is independent; but it's also just a low-budget Christian channel which I have no interest in. I was hoping that WVTV or WCGV would go independent again but obviously that didn't happen.
Like I said, WBWT is between a rock and a hard place anyway. They'll never make it with general English-language programming, since they won't be able to get any decent shows and they'll likely never be picked up by the cable providers. So that would likely leave preachers, home shopping or infomercials. I mean, look at Ch. 49, which I believe does have cable carriage. That station is a joke!
I think Spanish-language programming can work. There are very well likely people in the target market that don't have cable. Keep in mind that Telemundo and Univision get great ratings nationwide, finishing well above smaller nets like WB, UPN, and CW.
I'm not a likely viewer of the new Ch. 38, but as far as a programming choice, I think they chose wisely. I'm still wondering why Univision doesn't have a local over-the-air affiliate. I'm guessing it could be that they prefer their arrangement on local cable and don't want to jeopardize it by also affiliating with a LP station.
I think Spanish-language programming can work. There are very well likely people in the target market that don't have cable. Keep in mind that Telemundo and Univision get great ratings nationwide, finishing well above smaller nets like WB, UPN, and CW.
I'm not a likely viewer of the new Ch. 38, but as far as a programming choice, I think they chose wisely. I'm still wondering why Univision doesn't have a local over-the-air affiliate. I'm guessing it could be that they prefer their arrangement on local cable and don't want to jeopardize it by also affiliating with a LP station.
T2909 said:is now on the air testing with their color bar, snd tone signal, so tune in on your regulqar over the air rabbit ears.
My cable went out this morning so I am forced to use the outdoor antenna at the moment. Doing a scan of the TV bands, I too am noticing WBWT-LP beeping in here with a TP and a fat 38 and large Call Letters. Thou I have no idea what frequency the beeping is at, but enough to drive anyone nuts if you keep it on long.
Does anyone know when they are to start actual broadcasts?
Too me what they are going to be airing is to me a waste of band space. I would rather see the public access TV station I operate for the city of Muskego be transmitted here as I am currently improving ch. 14's schedule and adding great offerings like cooking shows, political shows, garden shows, music shows, etc along with local school concerts.
-John L.
Muskego, WI.
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