WCBS-FM 101.1 Memorial Weekend Countdown

[oldies76]

How do you know ANY of those things are happening?

Really Big A??

If any song that isn't played regularly, received enough votes to make the Top 500, those votes for that song would be tossed in the trash, because it isn't played to begin with. Don't need to know, common sense. That's been the general rule in large markets for years, but not on the Firecracker 300 in L.A. over the 4th.

 

[TheBigA]

That implies listener voted, same thing.
"WE WANNA KNOW: What are your TOP THREE favorite songs?

No implication of anything. They wanna know. Hey, *I* wanna know too. Give your input. It will be considered. It will be included. But that's about it. Not tossed in the trash, not ignored. The rest is in your imagination. Radio is all about imagination.

Really Big A??
That's been the general rule in large markets for years, but not on the Firecracker 300 in L.A. over the 4th.

What's that Journey song about "Don't Stop Believing?"

 

[oldies76]

You're reaching. What was shut down during the SARS pandemic? How many Americans lost their jobs or were furloughed? What sort of restrictions were placed on travel and social interaction?

Not nearly as severe, but a pandemic, never the less.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3329048/

 

[davideduardo]

When votes within the classic hits format are tossed, because those songs "don't fit" their needs, then you are ignoring and disregarding their votes and those listeners hopes to hear their favorites in a special. Not making anything up, it's common sense.

If I voted for my 10 favorite songs no more than two would belong to a defined radio format anywhere in the world.

In similar fashion, listeners who don't understand the limits of a format (and really, why should they?) may request songs that don't fit based on style, age or tempo. So the station filters the things that fit.

It's no different than someone who calls the window company and asks for quotes on windows and doors: "sorry, we don't make doors, just windows". No disrespect, simply doing what they do.

 

[davideduardo]

Sars, 2003

You made my point.

I never isolated, changed any habits or lost part of my retirement funds then.

Not the same.

 

[TheBigA]

If I voted for my 10 favorite songs no more than two would belong to a defined radio format anywhere in the world.

And that's fine. You should vote since they asked. It'll get a smile when they see it. Voting is that kind of thing. A lot of people voted for someone other than the current president. They didn't win. Oh well. That's no reason not to vote next time.

 

[davideduardo]

In other words, just a trick, manipulation. Obvious.

Just like a holiday sale at a store is a "trick". It is a gimmick to attract consumers with something that they hope will be attractive.

Marketing 101.

 

[oldies76]

Just like a holiday sale at a store is a "trick". It is a gimmick to attract consumers with something that they hope will be attractive.

Marketing 101.

I'll assume then you never shopped or worked at an off-price retailer when markdowns are done. True savings, not a gimmick. You forgot I work in one. It was fulfilling buying a couple bags of seasonal Lindt chocolates for 99 cents earlier this year, instead of regular retail price of $4.99. Like I said, not a trick.

And we sold them all in one day.

 

[davideduardo]

And that's fine. You should vote since they asked. It'll get a smile when they see it. Voting is that kind of thing. A lot of people voted for someone other than the current president. They didn't win. Oh well. That's no reason not to vote next time.

I suppose that this thread can generate a subset based on what would be each of our favorite songs. I'll bet many of us will span multiple formats with our choices.

1. The Dance - Garth Brooks
2. La Tierra del Olvido - Carlos Vives et. al.
3. Quittin' Time - Mary Chapin Carpinter
4. Festival en Guarare - Corraleros de Majagual
5. Anduriña - Juan y Junior
6. Raffy Leavitt - La Cuna Blanca
7. Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac
8. Enrique Iglesias & Descemer Bueno - Bailando
9. I Pooh - Pensiero
10. Triumphal March from Aida - Verdi

And if you ask me tomorrow, half of them will change. That is the problem with open ended listener research (and the "hidden" reason for making this post). Most of don't memorize our favorite songs, so each time we are asked we will pull the first things that come up in our memory... triggered by all kinds of passing influences.

As a matter of fact, as I look at my list, I'd change at least 5 of them right now!

 

[oldies76]

No implication of anything.

Voting for, choosing, or picking, or sending us are all methods to have songs incorporated in a countdown. They are all synonyms.

And however which way you call it, the method is the same.

If the songs you pick, don't fit their playlist, then your vote is ignored.

If my presidential vote doesn't fit the other side, fortunately it will still be tabulated and accepted, unlike a music countdown.

 

[davideduardo]

I'll assume then you never shopped or worked at an off-price retailer when markdowns are done. True savings, not a gimmick. You forgot I work in one. It was fulfilling buying a couple bags of seasonal Lindt chocolates for 99 cents earlier this year, instead of regular retail price of $4.99. Like I said, not a trick.

And we sold them all in one day.

And asking for a list of favorite songs and then telling us that they will play the KRTH all time hits is not any more deceptive, except to you.

Part of the fun is to see if some of the songs we named made it. There is no deception if they didn't.

If someone goes to your sale and there are no Lindt chocolates and never were, that is deceptive. Otherwise, the specific promise is met. Same with the song "entries". No promise yours will make it.

Some listener could ask for the Ballad of the Green Berets. Do you really think they would even consider it?

 

[TheBigA]

I suppose that this thread can generate a subset based on what would be each of our favorite songs. I'll bet many of us will span multiple formats with our choices

The more I think about it, the more I think all stations should put a Vote box on their web site. Not for a countdown, not for airplay, just for research. I love that idea.

 

[davideduardo]

The more I think about it, the more I think all stations should put a Vote box on their web site. Not for a countdown, not for airplay, just for research. I love that idea.

Un-recruited and unverifiable research has zero value.

The first problem is that a creative competitor will try to influence it. If they are smart, they will vote for stiffs within the format or songs right at the edge of the format and hope the station wastes time and money researching them. Or even better, plays them!

But the idea of doing it just to make listeners participate is very good. That is sort of like peeling the little sticker on a mail offer... the act of doing that is proven to increase the chances you will actually mail the order.

 

[davideduardo]

If my presidential vote doesn't fit the other side, fortunately it will still be tabulated and accepted, unlike a music countdown.

Thanks for playing, but you got nothing. You lost.

Obama's electoral college votes were tabulated. He got a lot, just not enough. But he did not get to share the Oval Office or become Vice President or even Embassador to the Vatican.

The winner takes it all.

 

[TheBigA]

Un-recruited and unverifiable research has zero value.

That's OK. Don't sell it. Don't use it. Just give folks the opportunity. Who knows what will turn up.

I'm always interested in hearing what people say and what they want (often two different things)

 

[oldies76]

There is no deception if they didn't.

If the songs picked by listeners were eliminated because of not matching the current rotation, then the concept of listener votes is deception.

Some listener could ask for the Ballad of the Green Berets. Do you really think they would even consider it?

If it received enough votes to be included in the Top 500, yes. But to eliminate it because it's a stiff, is wrong.

 

[oldies76]

The more I think about it, the more I think all stations should put a Vote box on their web site. Not for a countdown, not for airplay, just for research. I love that idea.

Awesome idea. Many music fans will choose their long-lost unplayed favorites. Great way of a virtual music test. And the word will spread. Stations will have no choice but to expand their playlists, otherwise they'll take heat for not playing what was voted. You sure you wanna do this?

 

[TheBigA]

Awesome idea. Many music fans will choose their long-lost unplayed favorites. Great way of a virtual music test. And the word will spread. Stations will have no choice but to expand their playlists, otherwise they'll take heat for not playing what was voted. You sure you wanna do this?

You have a vivid imagination of what would happen.

 

[oldies76]

I suppose that this thread can generate a subset based on what would be each of our favorite songs. I'll bet many of us will span multiple formats with our choices.

1. The Dance - Garth Brooks
2. La Tierra del Olvido - Carlos Vives et. al.
3. Quittin' Time - Mary Chapin Carpinter
4. Festival en Guarare - Corraleros de Majagual
5. Anduriña - Juan y Junior
6. Raffy Leavitt - La Cuna Blanca
7. Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac
8. Enrique Iglesias & Descemer Bueno - Bailando
9. I Pooh - Pensiero
10. Triumphal March from Aida - Verdi

And if you ask me tomorrow, half of them will change. That is the problem with open ended listener research (and the "hidden" reason for making this post). Most of don't memorize our favorite songs, so each time we are asked we will pull the first things that come up in our memory... triggered by all kinds of passing influences.

As a matter of fact, as I look at my list, I'd change at least 5 of them right now!

Yeah, add some Leo Dan, some Tormenta, Los Iracundos or Marisol in there.

 

[davideduardo]

That's OK. Don't sell it. Don't use it. Just give folks the opportunity. Who knows what will turn up.

Oldies 76 will come at you with both hands on the keyboard. That's deceptive, as to him, if you ask for it, you have to give it back unaltered on the air.

That's like asking Hemingway to put all of his words back into the dictionary where he got them.