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WCBS-FM 101.1 Memorial Weekend Countdown

1. The Dance - Garth Brooks

One of my favorites, too. Probably the last time I heard it on the radio was when I last played it as a DJ when I worked in country radio ... over a decade ago.

The other nine I don't recognize at all. Probably not surprising being a non-Spanish speaker.
EDIT: Ok, I do recognize the Aida march. Didn't recognize it by title.
 
One of my favorites, too. Probably the last time I heard it on the radio was when I last played it as a DJ when I worked in country radio ... over a decade ago.

The other nine I don't recognize at all. Probably not surprising being a non-Spanish speaker.
EDIT: Ok, I do recognize the Aida march. Didn't recognize it by title.

"The Dance" was from nearly three decades ago! Few country stations were still playing it in 2010 or thereabouts. If you'd been in country radio when Garth's tune was current, you would have recognized "Quittin' Time" as well. Mary Chapin Carpenter had a string of hits in the early '90s that really stretched the boundaries of country music in a unique combination of folk and power pop.

And between boomers who know the song from its '70s chart peak and today's generation-spanning classic rock fans, is there anyone (OK, anyone white, American, non-Hispanic) who doesn't know Fleetwood Mac's "Go Your Own Way"?

David, I knew those three songs and the "Aida" march, too. I might put "The Great Gate of Kiev" from Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" on my list in its place, but it would be a tough call. Both perfectly embody the power and majesty of great classical music.
 
One of my favorites, too. Probably the last time I heard it on the radio was when I last played it as a DJ when I worked in country radio ... over a decade ago.

The other nine I don't recognize at all. Probably not surprising being a non-Spanish speaker.
EDIT: Ok, I do recognize the Aida march. Didn't recognize it by title.

I Pooh is an Italian group, so Spanish would not help.
 
Did notice several 'lost' tracks in the list today.

Cisco Kid - War
Bad Blood - Neil Sedaka
Baby Come To Me - Patty Austin
Village People - YMCA
David Bowie - Fame
Chicago - Saturday In The Park
 
Bad Blood - Neil Sedaka

Really? Was this an unusually big and memorable hit in New York? I don't recall it being one of those songs that stuck around forever on oldies/classic hits stations, like "Brown Eyed Girl" or "Unchained Melody," or even made the standard playlist at some.
 
A few more...

Derek & The Dominoes - Layla
Sheena Easton - Morning Train
Sly & The Family Stone - Everyday People
Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff
 
Really? Was this an unusually big and memorable hit in New York? I don't recall it being one of those songs that stuck around forever on oldies/classic hits stations, like "Brown Eyed Girl" or "Unchained Melody," or even made the standard playlist at some.

Bad Blood was #26 on WABC's Top 100 of 1975 so yes it was a big New York hit.
 
Sly & The Family Stone - Everyday People

Good, a 60's hit!

Sounds like a successful run this year.

WOGL is doing an 80's block weekend, a different year every hour, but sounds like another purposely manufactured list with 80% of the songs ones they already play to death. Predictable. You knew they would spin that annoying Romantics song, even though it stiffed badly in 1980. And they also included "My Sharona" as part of the 1980 block.
 
You knew they would spin that annoying Romantics song, even though it stiffed badly in 1980. And they also included "My Sharona" as part of the 1980 block.

It does not matter how a song performed when new. Stations test music for today's listeners and if a mid-performing song does really well today, has high familiarity as well, and fits the format stations will play it.

A good example is Brown Eyed Girl. Not a huge, monster song when new, but ended up being the most played tune ever in pop gold formats. In fact, the song only got to #10 at the time and was mostly a mid-charter for the period it was on the list.
 
Bad Blood was #26 on WABC's Top 100 of 1975 so yes it was a big New York hit.

Remember that those annual charts were mostly done based on programming desirability. A song could be #20 or #30 or somewhere in between just because the programmer wanted to do a list that had song to song variety... it was all about how the songs sounded when played in sequence in the year-end show!

Some stations even moved some big songs downward so that the first two hours of a countdown would not have mostly second-tier records.

#WizardOfOz#ShowBusiness
 
I don't believe WABC ever did a top 100 countdown at the end of the year, David. The songs were played randomly from Christmas through New Year's. There was a formula used to tabulate the rankings based on the highest position attained and length of time on the WABC weekly survey. This procedure is explained in great detail on the other New York radio board.
 
I don't believe WABC ever did a top 100 countdown at the end of the year, David. The songs were played randomly from Christmas through New Year's. There was a formula used to tabulate the rankings based on the highest position attained and length of time on the WABC weekly survey. This procedure is explained in great detail on the other New York radio board.

I get that... my point being that most year-end countdowns "back in the day" were not done with a totally scientific system.

While the AT40 year-end chart was taken for an actual tabulation of Billboard back then, we all know that the Billboard chart was subject to manipulation of sales and shipping data.
 
Good, a 60's hit!

Sounds like a successful run this year.

WOGL is doing an 80's block weekend, a different year every hour, but sounds like another purposely manufactured list with 80% of the songs ones they already play to death. Predictable. You knew they would spin that annoying Romantics song, even though it stiffed badly in 1980. And they also included "My Sharona" as part of the 1980 block.

Both "My Sharona" and "What I Like About You" (aka "that annoying Romantics song") were released in 1979 -- the latter in December -- but the sound of both was very much in keeping with what would be the rock/pop sound of the early '80s, so I don't think anyone but the geekiest of chart geeks would object to their inclusion in an "'80s block" during a weekend special. Also, while "What I Like About You" underachieved on the charts, it got a big push from inclusion in a widely-seen Budweiser commercial later in the '80s, and we all know what additional TV or movie exposure can do for a song's popularity as an oldie/classic hit.
 
we all know that the Billboard chart was subject to manipulation of sales and shipping data.

I'm beginning to think it's that way now, with the high skew towards rap and trap songs lately, based on streaming data. It's ridiculous what's in the top ten these days and the amount of time these "songs" are spending at #1 or even in the top ten.
 
Remember that those annual charts were mostly done based on programming desirability. A song could be #20 or #30 or somewhere in between just because the programmer wanted to do a list that had song to song variety... it was all about how the songs sounded when played in sequence in the year-end show!

Some stations even moved some big songs downward so that the first two hours of a countdown would not have mostly second-tier records.

Yeah, you're right. Looking at year-end 93 charts of KHJ, there are #1 and #2 songs scattered in the lower reaches of the chart, but songs that originally hit other positions are occasionally mixed with the higher ranked number ones. I guess, that could make sense for a year ender, but hopefully the weeklies stayed true. Strange.

http://home.earthlink.net/~thebig93/thebig93/thebig93_1967.html
 
Side note;

Replying to Oldies76 about SARS: That was quickly brought under control and lasted 2002-2004. A few cases were identified outside the US, but fatalities occurred in Canada, China, and Europe.
 
And wasn't based on actual monitored airplay, but rather reported airplay.

When AT40 started, airplay was not part of the Billboard charts. It was mostly record distributors, one-stops and the like.... the wholesale step of the record business. IIRC, it did not include retail.

Airplay is what got Gavin started, later spawning Hamilton, FMQB and the rest... and by '77 R&R.

And that was the issue. Record companies, always the paradigm of ethics and responsibility, would push huge quantities of a song into "the channels" and thus get a big chart bounce, hoping for "with a bullet" in the next chart and knowing that those chart jumps caused both radio and retail to push a song.

Those songs that had a big chart burst and then disappeared in two weeks were ones that had been subjected to that practice. I know that some of those pushes brought a song home, so it must have been worth it to the labels but it made the charts very suspect.

When I was in Puerto Rico in the early 70's, two stations called the bigger record shops and got sales reports each week. We discovered that via a "he had a couple of drinks and spilled the beans" episode and switched to rotating small record shop reports, skipping the big guys. A couple of T Shirts and the like tied that up, and our reports were really different from "theirs". The next book, we beat them.

Of course, it was amazing to see how charts changed when we began to have detection-based charts instead of station reported airplay.

To them, it is all about a three word vocabulary: "Play my record".
 
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I'm beginning to think it's that way now, with the high skew towards rap and trap songs lately, based on streaming data. It's ridiculous what's in the top ten these days and the amount of time these "songs" are spending at #1 or even in the top ten.

The record companies do not have much in the way of tools to manipulate the charts today because physical sales are so limited. Even downloads are becoming so rare that there is talk of discontinuing them entirely as high up as Apple.

The key metrics are the big on-demand and subscription sources. Whether they play by the song, by the playlist or at random in a style or type, that is where nearly all the "chart action" is occurring. Radio, based on plays, would not count but radio plays are weighted based on listening level where on play in NYC may reach 25,000 people or more.

But when you get a song with 7 billion plays just on YouTube in 3 years, you know that it is not radio play driving that song.

One thing has changed... artists drop new songs very quickly, knowing the lifespan of a tune is short. The album mentality is dead... some hip hop and reggaeton artist drop a new song every 4 weeks, all year long. Sometimes they drop several at a time. The main issue here is recording a video, as the audio can be done nearly anywhere as all the "featuring..." songs demonstrate.

Whether you like it or not, today's songs to today's listeners are just as good... and maybe better... than those of the 50's and 60's.
 
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