Is 104.9 WCCP-FM in Stereo? I was listening the other day and noticed that it NEVER pops up in stereo. I know it's probably pointless for it to be in Stereo, but it's just a thought.
Anybody know?
Anybody know?
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> Is 104.9 WCCP-FM in Stereo? I was listening the other day
> and noticed that it NEVER pops up in stereo. I know it's
> probably pointless for it to be in Stereo, but it's just a
> thought.
>
> Anybody know?
>
From my calculations, it is not in stereo, because my car, van, and home radio do not broadcast it in stereo.
My question is, why is it the only FM in the Upstate market to not broadcast in stereo? Does it have to do with the transmitter power, or the studio itself?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rjaudiovideo on 06/13/05 10:54 PM.</FONT></P>
> and noticed that it NEVER pops up in stereo. I know it's
> probably pointless for it to be in Stereo, but it's just a
> thought.
>
> Anybody know?
>
From my calculations, it is not in stereo, because my car, van, and home radio do not broadcast it in stereo.
My question is, why is it the only FM in the Upstate market to not broadcast in stereo? Does it have to do with the transmitter power, or the studio itself?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rjaudiovideo on 06/13/05 10:54 PM.</FONT></P>
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FM stations have a somewhat longer range broadcasting in mono versus stereo. I believe the difference is about 10%. WCCP is a class A FM with a relatively low power that wants to cover a large geographic area. THey play little music, so it makes sense that they broadcast in mono.
> FM stations have a somewhat longer range broadcasting in
> mono versus stereo. I believe the difference is about 10%.
> WCCP is a class A FM with a relatively low power that wants
> to cover a large geographic area. THey play little music,
> so it makes sense that they broadcast in mono.
Makes sense to me.
> mono versus stereo. I believe the difference is about 10%.
> WCCP is a class A FM with a relatively low power that wants
> to cover a large geographic area. THey play little music,
> so it makes sense that they broadcast in mono.
Makes sense to me.
> > FM stations have a somewhat longer range broadcasting in
> > mono versus stereo. I believe the difference is about
> 10%.
> > WCCP is a class A FM with a relatively low power that
> wants
> > to cover a large geographic area. THey play little music,
>
> > so it makes sense that they broadcast in mono.
>
> Makes sense to me.
It makes the signal listenable over a longer range. It's still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy, and that's a tune out factor for some.
Powell
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> > mono versus stereo. I believe the difference is about
> 10%.
> > WCCP is a class A FM with a relatively low power that
> wants
> > to cover a large geographic area. THey play little music,
>
> > so it makes sense that they broadcast in mono.
>
> Makes sense to me.
It makes the signal listenable over a longer range. It's still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy, and that's a tune out factor for some.
Powell
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> It makes the signal listenable over a longer range. It's
> still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy, and
> that's a tune out factor for some.
Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a stereo/mono button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago, but it seems it would still be a useful feature for reasons mentioned in this thread.
Anyone know why manufactuers have seemingly abandoned this feature?
Eric
> still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy, and
> that's a tune out factor for some.
Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a stereo/mono button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago, but it seems it would still be a useful feature for reasons mentioned in this thread.
Anyone know why manufactuers have seemingly abandoned this feature?
Eric
> > It makes the signal listenable over a longer range. It's
> > still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy, and
>
> > that's a tune out factor for some.
>
> Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a stereo/mono
> button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> but it seems it would still be a useful feature for reasons
> mentioned in this thread.
> Anyone know why manufactuers have seemingly abandoned this
> feature?
>
> Eric
>
Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which pretty seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold hits. In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono while the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I agree, though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing the user to force or select between mono and stereo.
Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver receivers have a mono/stereo button.
> > still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy, and
>
> > that's a tune out factor for some.
>
> Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a stereo/mono
> button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> but it seems it would still be a useful feature for reasons
> mentioned in this thread.
> Anyone know why manufactuers have seemingly abandoned this
> feature?
>
> Eric
>
Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which pretty seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold hits. In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono while the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I agree, though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing the user to force or select between mono and stereo.
Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver receivers have a mono/stereo button.
> > > It makes the signal listenable over a longer range. It's
>
> > > still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy,
> and
> >
> > > that's a tune out factor for some.
> >
> > Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a
> stereo/mono
> > button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> > but it seems it would still be a useful feature for
> reasons
> > mentioned in this thread.
> > Anyone know why manufactuers have seemingly abandoned this
>
> > feature?
> >
> > Eric
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> Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which pretty
> seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold hits.
> In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono while
> the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I agree,
> though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing the
> user to force or select between mono and stereo.
And some GM cars blend out the high end. GAGGGG! At least the Ford Ranger radio doesn't. I'll put up with picket fencing.
> Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver
> receivers have a mono/stereo button.
Steve, I'd love a Fanfare, but they are unaffordium to me.
Powell
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>
> > > still the same range, but in stereo it would be noisy,
> and
> >
> > > that's a tune out factor for some.
> >
> > Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a
> stereo/mono
> > button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> > but it seems it would still be a useful feature for
> reasons
> > mentioned in this thread.
> > Anyone know why manufactuers have seemingly abandoned this
>
> > feature?
> >
> > Eric
****************CHEAPNESS****************************
> Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which pretty
> seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold hits.
> In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono while
> the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I agree,
> though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing the
> user to force or select between mono and stereo.
And some GM cars blend out the high end. GAGGGG! At least the Ford Ranger radio doesn't. I'll put up with picket fencing.
> Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver
> receivers have a mono/stereo button.
Steve, I'd love a Fanfare, but they are unaffordium to me.
Powell
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> > Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which pretty
> > seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold
> hits.
> > In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono while
>
> > the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I
> agree,
> > though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing
> the
> > user to force or select between mono and stereo.
>
> And some GM cars blend out the high end. GAGGGG! At least
> the Ford Ranger radio doesn't. I'll put up with picket
> fencing.
>
The Ford Visteon units that were used up until 2005 are absolutely excellent FM and AM receivers. The MACH systems have AM Stereo, believe it or not!
>
> > Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver
> > receivers have a mono/stereo button.
>
>
>
> Steve, I'd love a Fanfare, but they are unaffordium to me.
Me too. A Fanfare is on my wish list.
I have a 16 year old Carver that is absolutely wonderful. I regret tossing out my 30 year old Sansui after the caps went bad in it. Anything midrange and up from the 1970's is unbelievably good.
WXRY monitors off-air with a Carver FM tuner (no AM capability) and a Fanfare antenna mounted on the rooftop and shielded from the transmission antenna.
> > seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold
> hits.
> > In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono while
>
> > the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I
> agree,
> > though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing
> the
> > user to force or select between mono and stereo.
>
> And some GM cars blend out the high end. GAGGGG! At least
> the Ford Ranger radio doesn't. I'll put up with picket
> fencing.
>
The Ford Visteon units that were used up until 2005 are absolutely excellent FM and AM receivers. The MACH systems have AM Stereo, believe it or not!
>
> > Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver
> > receivers have a mono/stereo button.
>
>
>
> Steve, I'd love a Fanfare, but they are unaffordium to me.
Me too. A Fanfare is on my wish list.
I have a 16 year old Carver that is absolutely wonderful. I regret tossing out my 30 year old Sansui after the caps went bad in it. Anything midrange and up from the 1970's is unbelievably good.
WXRY monitors off-air with a Carver FM tuner (no AM capability) and a Fanfare antenna mounted on the rooftop and shielded from the transmission antenna.
> Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a stereo/mono
> button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> but it seems it would still be a useful feature for reasons
> mentioned in this thread.
Maybe, but if I can't tell if it's stereo or not by listening to it, does it
really matter?
Years ago, a competitor complained to me that the station I was selling for made sure the stereo light was on, even though it wasn't actually broadcasting in stereo. For that to have been true, I'm guessing that the light stayed on as a result of a signal to the receiver as opposed to it actually detecting a stereo broadcast. Am I right?<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts" - late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan</P>
> button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> but it seems it would still be a useful feature for reasons
> mentioned in this thread.
Maybe, but if I can't tell if it's stereo or not by listening to it, does it
really matter?
Years ago, a competitor complained to me that the station I was selling for made sure the stereo light was on, even though it wasn't actually broadcasting in stereo. For that to have been true, I'm guessing that the light stayed on as a result of a signal to the receiver as opposed to it actually detecting a stereo broadcast. Am I right?<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts" - late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan</P>
> > Seems very few--if any--radio manufactuers put a
> stereo/mono
> > button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> > but it seems it would still be a useful feature for
> reasons
> > mentioned in this thread.
>
> Maybe, but if I can't tell if it's stereo or not by
> listening to it, does it
> really matter?
>
> Years ago, a competitor complained to me that the station I
> was selling for made sure the stereo light was on, even
> though it wasn't actually broadcasting in stereo. For that
> to have been true, I'm guessing that the light stayed on as
> a result of a signal to the receiver as opposed to it
> actually detecting a stereo broadcast. Am I right?
>
Correct. The receiver looks for the stereo pilot carrier. Most auto receivers keep the stereo pilot indicator on, even after they have "fallen" back to mono audio. Depending on the quality of the signal most modern car receivers shift from full stereo to a mix of mono and stereo to full mono in an effort to reduce the noise resulting from multipath and the like.
> stereo/mono
> > button on their receivers. Used to be the norm years ago,
> > but it seems it would still be a useful feature for
> reasons
> > mentioned in this thread.
>
> Maybe, but if I can't tell if it's stereo or not by
> listening to it, does it
> really matter?
>
> Years ago, a competitor complained to me that the station I
> was selling for made sure the stereo light was on, even
> though it wasn't actually broadcasting in stereo. For that
> to have been true, I'm guessing that the light stayed on as
> a result of a signal to the receiver as opposed to it
> actually detecting a stereo broadcast. Am I right?
>
Correct. The receiver looks for the stereo pilot carrier. Most auto receivers keep the stereo pilot indicator on, even after they have "fallen" back to mono audio. Depending on the quality of the signal most modern car receivers shift from full stereo to a mix of mono and stereo to full mono in an effort to reduce the noise resulting from multipath and the like.
WXRY
> > > Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which
> pretty
> > > seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold
> > hits.
> > > In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono
> while
> >
> > > the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I
> > agree,
> > > though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing
>
> > the
> > > user to force or select between mono and stereo.
> >
> > And some GM cars blend out the high end. GAGGGG! At least
> > the Ford Ranger radio doesn't. I'll put up with picket
> > fencing.
> >
>
> The Ford Visteon units that were used up until 2005 are
> absolutely excellent FM and AM receivers. The MACH systems
> have AM Stereo, believe it or not!
>
> >
> > > Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver
> > > receivers have a mono/stereo button.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve, I'd love a Fanfare, but they are unaffordium to me.
>
>
>
> Me too. A Fanfare is on my wish list.
>
> I have a 16 year old Carver that is absolutely wonderful. I
> regret tossing out my 30 year old Sansui after the caps went
> bad in it. Anything midrange and up from the 1970's is
> unbelievably good.
Caps are easy to replace.
> WXRY monitors off-air with a Carver FM tuner (no AM
> capability) and a Fanfare antenna mounted on the rooftop and
> shielded from the transmission antenna.
I live 5.8 miles from downtown behind Fat Boy's on US 1....I live in a Tornado Magnet. I'm at least 50 feet *BELOW* HAAT of the pavement of US 1, and on a thrift store Technics SA-400 .....WXRY on a beat up pair of rabbit ears comes in well. Now ONLY if you had some Frank Ward ID's.....
Powell
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> > > Most have an automatic blend-to-mono feature which
> pretty
> > > seamlessly slips into mono before the noise threshold
> > hits.
> > > In fact, a lot of car units will actually be in mono
> while
> >
> > > the stereo pilot light is still on in the receiver. I
> > agree,
> > > though, that more manufacturers should consider allowing
>
> > the
> > > user to force or select between mono and stereo.
> >
> > And some GM cars blend out the high end. GAGGGG! At least
> > the Ford Ranger radio doesn't. I'll put up with picket
> > fencing.
> >
>
> The Ford Visteon units that were used up until 2005 are
> absolutely excellent FM and AM receivers. The MACH systems
> have AM Stereo, believe it or not!
>
> >
> > > Excellent home units like the Fanfare and older Carver
> > > receivers have a mono/stereo button.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve, I'd love a Fanfare, but they are unaffordium to me.
>
>
>
> Me too. A Fanfare is on my wish list.
>
> I have a 16 year old Carver that is absolutely wonderful. I
> regret tossing out my 30 year old Sansui after the caps went
> bad in it. Anything midrange and up from the 1970's is
> unbelievably good.
Caps are easy to replace.
> WXRY monitors off-air with a Carver FM tuner (no AM
> capability) and a Fanfare antenna mounted on the rooftop and
> shielded from the transmission antenna.
I live 5.8 miles from downtown behind Fat Boy's on US 1....I live in a Tornado Magnet. I'm at least 50 feet *BELOW* HAAT of the pavement of US 1, and on a thrift store Technics SA-400 .....WXRY on a beat up pair of rabbit ears comes in well. Now ONLY if you had some Frank Ward ID's.....
Powell
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Re: WXRY
>> >
> > I have a 16 year old Carver that is absolutely wonderful.
> I
> > regret tossing out my 30 year old Sansui after the caps
> went
> > bad in it. Anything midrange and up from the 1970's is
> > unbelievably good.
>
> Caps are easy to replace.
I was 20 at the time. I still burn myself at least once when I use a soldering iron.
>
>
> I live 5.8 miles from downtown behind Fat Boy's on US 1....I
> live in a Tornado Magnet. I'm at least 50 feet *BELOW* HAAT
> of the pavement of US 1, and on a thrift store Technics
> SA-400 .....WXRY on a beat up pair of rabbit ears comes in
> well. Now ONLY if you had some Frank Ward ID's.....
That is pretty impressive. The Technics, depending on how old it is, may have a real good FM section. If you are in Shandon/Rosewood, the shadow from the Meridian Building gives folks a real hard time... WWKT comes barrelling on in. WXRY is looking for something slightly Northeast of the Barringer Building to relocate the main transmitter. Barringer would remain a back-up (fail-over).
>> >
> > I have a 16 year old Carver that is absolutely wonderful.
> I
> > regret tossing out my 30 year old Sansui after the caps
> went
> > bad in it. Anything midrange and up from the 1970's is
> > unbelievably good.
>
> Caps are easy to replace.
I was 20 at the time. I still burn myself at least once when I use a soldering iron.
>
>
> I live 5.8 miles from downtown behind Fat Boy's on US 1....I
> live in a Tornado Magnet. I'm at least 50 feet *BELOW* HAAT
> of the pavement of US 1, and on a thrift store Technics
> SA-400 .....WXRY on a beat up pair of rabbit ears comes in
> well. Now ONLY if you had some Frank Ward ID's.....
That is pretty impressive. The Technics, depending on how old it is, may have a real good FM section. If you are in Shandon/Rosewood, the shadow from the Meridian Building gives folks a real hard time... WWKT comes barrelling on in. WXRY is looking for something slightly Northeast of the Barringer Building to relocate the main transmitter. Barringer would remain a back-up (fail-over).
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