WCIN's New Jazz Feed

[major]

I just noticed that the switch has been made to the Broadcast Architecture Smooth Jazz feed. I was just starting to like the Jones' feed. Oh well, maybe BA will have a Smooth Jazz panel for us to join, too.

 

[techie2]

Jones dropped their 24/7 SJ format.

 

[major]

techie2,

I knew Jones was dropping the format. Thanks.

Darksoldier,

BA BLOWS!

Eddie and I have lost weight, gettin up off our fat a##### to turn it off.

Too many vocals, too much Kenny G-String, etc. I hope it gets better. Now, I would rather listen to the TALK stations. (Yuck!)

:'(

 

[almaniac27]

I think WCIN should go back to some sort of local urban talk now that WDBZ is Gospel with Lincoln Ware as the only talk show. I know there's been speculation that 97.3 could go smooth jazz, and that would kill WCIN even though they sound really good on AM. Maybe WCIN could pick up some veterans of The Buzz.

 

[darksoldier]

I think WCIN should go back to some sort of local urban talk now that WDBZ is Gospel with Lincoln Ware as the only talk show. I know there's been speculation that 97.3 could go smooth jazz, and that would kill WCIN even though they sound really good on AM. Maybe WCIN could pick up some veterans of The Buzz.

Three reasons that is a bad idea....Assuming 97.3 does NOT go SJ.

1. 11% of the population is black...not enough pie for an urban talk station, or even another black oriented station...that's why 1230 dropped it, even though they have syndicated programs at their disposal (Syndication One). @ $14M (and declining) in available, annual, urban related ad revenue in this market. R1 will ALWAYS get the lions share of that revenue due to multi market and multi station selling power. WIZF=18-25; WMOJ=25-54+ secular listener; WDBZ=18+ religious types and community activist/orientation with Lincoln's show. Who's left?

2. COST. Live talk show hosts drive the cost of operations through the roof.

3. Advertisers hate it....unless its the Ohio Lottery, or some other local black oriented product, which is not enough revenue for a stand alone station to function.

Now if 97.3 would go that route, it would have to be live and local, or hard disc. While certainly it can be done, the likelyhood of them WANTING to is not as strong as if they had a syndicated option IMHO. That said, Bonneville has the most available resources for such an endeavor, and they might like to take on WARM, but do they want to leave B without a protective pawn?

 

[gabigley1]

I hear WCIN here in Columbus and the last time I listened to WCIN didn't have any local talent for morning and afternoon drive time. I find that a bit odd because Cincinnati is a pretty large and competitive market

 

[ouuc]

It sounds like the local and national studios aren't in synch. I keep hearing overnite jock Billy Raven's "smoothing out your late night" at 2:00 pm during Dave Koz's show.

Does BA really dead-roll out of spots with no station liners? Or does WCIN not have them programmed in?

And really, the notion of musicians on the air is not a great one. They don't sound polished, for the most part. Too much rambling.

 

[almaniac27]

I think WCIN should go back to some sort of local urban talk now that WDBZ is Gospel with Lincoln Ware as the only talk show. I know there's been speculation that 97.3 could go smooth jazz, and that would kill WCIN even though they sound really good on AM. Maybe WCIN could pick up some veterans of The Buzz.

Three reasons that is a bad idea....Assuming 97.3 does NOT go SJ.

1. 11% of the population is black...not enough pie for an urban talk station, or even another black oriented station...that's why 1230 dropped it, even though they have syndicated programs at their disposal (Syndication One). @ $14M (and declining) in available, annual, urban related ad revenue in this market. R1 will ALWAYS get the lions share of that revenue due to multi market and multi station selling power. WIZF=18-25; WMOJ=25-54+ secular listener; WDBZ=18+ religious types and community activist/orientation with Lincoln's show. Who's left?

2. COST. Live talk show hosts drive the cost of operations through the roof.

3. Advertisers hate it....unless its the Ohio Lottery, or some other local black oriented product, which is not enough revenue for a stand alone station to function.

Now if 97.3 would go that route, it would have to be live and local, or hard disc. While certainly it can be done, the likelyhood of them WANTING to is not as strong as if they had a syndicated option IMHO. That said, Bonneville has the most available resources for such an endeavor, and they might like to take on WARM, but do they want to leave B without a protective pawn?

I see. I'm sorry, I'm not a radio professional, just an opinionated listener. I think we met once at the OCB. You were leading an information meeting. Anyway, point well taken. I just wish that Cincinnati was able to sustain more stations that could do live and local programming. I know I would enjoy it if WCIN had a local DJ in the morning, but I guess I'll just have to be more realistic.

 

[darksoldier]

It sounds like the local and national studios aren't in synch. I keep hearing overnite jock Billy Raven's "smoothing out your late night" at 2:00 pm during Dave Koz's show.

Does BA really dead-roll out of spots with no station liners? Or does WCIN not have them programmed in?

And really, the notion of musicians on the air is not a great one. They don't sound polished, for the most part. Too much rambling.

Yes, there was an automation sync problem that has been resolved ...and yes BA really dead rolls out of spots ...and really that notion is not a fav of mine either ???. Alas, these are the challenges, but with challenge comes opportunity...

 

[darksoldier]

I think WCIN should go back to some sort of local urban talk now that WDBZ is Gospel with Lincoln Ware as the only talk show. I know there's been speculation that 97.3 could go smooth jazz, and that would kill WCIN even though they sound really good on AM. Maybe WCIN could pick up some veterans of The Buzz.

Three reasons that is a bad idea....Assuming 97.3 does NOT go SJ.

1. 11% of the population is black...not enough pie for an urban talk station, or even another black oriented station...that's why 1230 dropped it, even though they have syndicated programs at their disposal (Syndication One). @ $14M (and declining) in available, annual, urban related ad revenue in this market. R1 will ALWAYS get the lions share of that revenue due to multi market and multi station selling power. WIZF=18-25; WMOJ=25-54+ secular listener; WDBZ=18+ religious types and community activist/orientation with Lincoln's show. Who's left?

2. COST. Live talk show hosts drive the cost of operations through the roof.

3. Advertisers hate it....unless its the Ohio Lottery, or some other local black oriented product, which is not enough revenue for a stand alone station to function.

Now if 97.3 would go that route, it would have to be live and local, or hard disc. While certainly it can be done, the likelyhood of them WANTING to is not as strong as if they had a syndicated option IMHO. That said, Bonneville has the most available resources for such an endeavor, and they might like to take on WARM, but do they want to leave B without a protective pawn?

I see. I'm sorry, I'm not a radio professional, just an opinionated listener. I think we met once at the OCB. You were leading an information meeting. Anyway, point well taken. I just wish that Cincinnati was able to sustain more stations that could do live and local programming. I know I would enjoy it if WCIN had a local DJ in the morning, but I guess I'll just have to be more realistic.

Please... no apology...You have a valid opinion, and I was just touching on the practicality or lack there of in this case. No attempt to belittle it here. In fact I and most folks in the industry agree with the notion of live and local, but the shareholders, and those who insure shareholder value don't.

 

[major]

Soldier,

You just need me to buy a station so you and the scurvy crew can be resurrected. I need to buy more lottery tickets.

 

[gabigley1]

Dose WCIN have live and local talent during morning and afternoon drive periods? I listened again last week
for the first time in several months and can't tell for sure any more. Previously, I thought they were satellite
delivered programing 24/7.

BTW, I liked some of the old WCIN programing and would like WCIN change back to their old format of R/B
and talk. That said, I'm not a Jazz fan and from what I've read, WCIN is a heritage radio station in Cincinnati.
So, why not bring the format back to Cincinnati?

Ever since WCIN upgraded their their transmitter site, the signal has been much stronger here in downtown Columbus.

 

[robmadden1]

WCIN and Dayton's smooth jazz 106.5 use the same feed for the music. Its a few seconds off from each other. I just tested going back and forth between them because at 3:55am I was getting 106.5 from Dayton here in Delhi (Cincinnati).

 

[darksoldier]

Dose WCIN have live and local talent during morning and afternoon drive periods? I listened again last week
for the first time in several months and can't tell for sure any more. Previously, I thought they were satellite
delivered programing 24/7.

BTW, I liked some of the old WCIN programing and would like WCIN change back to their old format of R/B
and talk. That said, I'm not a Jazz fan and from what I've read, WCIN is a heritage radio station in Cincinnati.
So, why not bring the format back to Cincinnati?

Ever since WCIN upgraded their their transmitter site, the signal has been much stronger here in downtown Columbus.

Well, if there were any money in the old format, it may have survived, but with MOJO, and DBZ, there is no room in the inn for another black oriented station.