Just read at R&R that Citadel is divesting themselves of these properties here. Is this the end of AAA in Portland?
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WCLZ and WCYI for sale?
- Thread starter PortlandMainer
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Maybe it's the end of poorly programmed AAA. Well, that's sort of harsh. But I do think CLZ has an awful lot of programming potential that's basically ignored. Regardless of low ratings, this station should be pulling some good ad revenue (heck, maybe it is), as I would wager that many of the folks who listen have some signifigant spending power. My primary work is in the realm of academia and just about every one of my colleagues' radios is tuned to 98.9. Not that we make big bucks, but hey, we like our Sarah Harmer. But I'll watch this closely, as if they take away WCLZ...my time to subscribe to Sirius will begin.
As a side note, I could use less 'CYY. It's too bad FNX isn't expanding anymore, because some true alternative rock (that doesn't take itself so seriously) would be welcome in Maine.
As a side note, I could use less 'CYY. It's too bad FNX isn't expanding anymore, because some true alternative rock (that doesn't take itself so seriously) would be welcome in Maine.
> Maybe it's the end of poorly programmed AAA. Well, that's
> sort of harsh. But I do think CLZ has an awful lot of
> programming potential that's basically ignored. Regardless
> of low ratings, this station should be pulling some good ad
> revenue (heck, maybe it is), as I would wager that many of
> the folks who listen have some signifigant spending power.
> My primary work is in the realm of academia and just about
> every one of my colleagues' radios is tuned to 98.9. Not
> that we make big bucks, but hey, we like our Sarah Harmer.
> But I'll watch this closely, as if they take away WCLZ...my
> time to subscribe to Sirius will begin.
>
> As a side note, I could use less 'CYY. It's too bad FNX
> isn't expanding anymore, because some true alternative rock
> (that doesn't take itself so seriously) would be welcome in
> Maine.
>
I agree with your comments about the programming. CLZ was the local music station I listened to most of the time. However I got frustrated with the repetition, especially on weekends. I was thinking how great it would be if WXRV bought the station to extend their reach north.
As for your comment about Sirius, I recently began suscribing to XM and have found three channels in the same genre as CLZ. What's great about XM is that it has deep playlists and no commercials. Try the three day online trial and check out The Loft-50(my favaourite) XM Cafe-45 and Hear-76. I've been hearing multiple tracks from the new Beth Orton and Roseanne Cash CDs.
> sort of harsh. But I do think CLZ has an awful lot of
> programming potential that's basically ignored. Regardless
> of low ratings, this station should be pulling some good ad
> revenue (heck, maybe it is), as I would wager that many of
> the folks who listen have some signifigant spending power.
> My primary work is in the realm of academia and just about
> every one of my colleagues' radios is tuned to 98.9. Not
> that we make big bucks, but hey, we like our Sarah Harmer.
> But I'll watch this closely, as if they take away WCLZ...my
> time to subscribe to Sirius will begin.
>
> As a side note, I could use less 'CYY. It's too bad FNX
> isn't expanding anymore, because some true alternative rock
> (that doesn't take itself so seriously) would be welcome in
> Maine.
>
I agree with your comments about the programming. CLZ was the local music station I listened to most of the time. However I got frustrated with the repetition, especially on weekends. I was thinking how great it would be if WXRV bought the station to extend their reach north.
As for your comment about Sirius, I recently began suscribing to XM and have found three channels in the same genre as CLZ. What's great about XM is that it has deep playlists and no commercials. Try the three day online trial and check out The Loft-50(my favaourite) XM Cafe-45 and Hear-76. I've been hearing multiple tracks from the new Beth Orton and Roseanne Cash CDs.
> As a side note, I could use less 'CYY. It's too bad FNX
> isn't expanding anymore, because some true alternative rock
> (that doesn't take itself so seriously) would be welcome in
> Maine.
ok so FNX hardly shows ratings in ANY market they claim to cover ..... WHAT exactly are they doing that's so special? is this what you mean by not taking itself seriously?
i think if you're a business of any sort and not taking yourself seriously you should be in another business.
> isn't expanding anymore, because some true alternative rock
> (that doesn't take itself so seriously) would be welcome in
> Maine.
ok so FNX hardly shows ratings in ANY market they claim to cover ..... WHAT exactly are they doing that's so special? is this what you mean by not taking itself seriously?
i think if you're a business of any sort and not taking yourself seriously you should be in another business.
It's funny how it always comes down to how the critic should be in another business. I'm good at what I do and I enjoy it just fine, thanks.
But since it's been a hell of an evening, and talking radio is my favorite thing to do (in fact, it's what I'm paid to do), I'll digress here. Being serious about what you do is very different then taking yourself too seriously. CYY takes itself too seriously. I make an exception for Jonesy's video game stuff, which, while strange to hear on the radio, made for an interesting listen. But this is a station that still trys to sound pumped about playing Limp Bizcut. Guys, no one cares.
And while I would prefer you try to push some indie rock instead of yet another Creed wannabe band, that's my personal opinion. Truthfully, I'm likely wrong, since, point taken, FNX is no ratings winner. But, just as an aside, neither is CYY. FNX knows its market and does fine for itself with sales. And truthfully, if you don't understand that sales volume trumps ratings, well...I'm not going to say find another career, but looking at an economics text might help.
Look, my fear is this will get into a personal tirade, and I don't want it to. If you are Spanky of CYY fame, I'm a jock too (among other things), and not everyone has been keen on every station I worked at either. And hey, I know we don't get to pick the music. I'm saying, I personally don't care for CYY. I think that if Nassau thought there was money in active rock, they could easily program a station that would knock CYY flat. CC already has an active rock format, that while corporate and icky, is a lot more entertaining (see: doesn't take itself seriously). I think if Citadel believed they could succeed with CYY big time-they wouldn't be selling CYI. Active rock (please don't say you're alternative, there's a lot of real alternative stations out there, and CYY ain't it) is going by the wayside. That's not to say I think CYY will be gone tomorrow.
But I am saying, if you were to pit a celebrity deathmatch between WHEB and WCYY, CYY would lose. They'd be too busy talking up the latest Kid Rock single.
But since it's been a hell of an evening, and talking radio is my favorite thing to do (in fact, it's what I'm paid to do), I'll digress here. Being serious about what you do is very different then taking yourself too seriously. CYY takes itself too seriously. I make an exception for Jonesy's video game stuff, which, while strange to hear on the radio, made for an interesting listen. But this is a station that still trys to sound pumped about playing Limp Bizcut. Guys, no one cares.
And while I would prefer you try to push some indie rock instead of yet another Creed wannabe band, that's my personal opinion. Truthfully, I'm likely wrong, since, point taken, FNX is no ratings winner. But, just as an aside, neither is CYY. FNX knows its market and does fine for itself with sales. And truthfully, if you don't understand that sales volume trumps ratings, well...I'm not going to say find another career, but looking at an economics text might help.
Look, my fear is this will get into a personal tirade, and I don't want it to. If you are Spanky of CYY fame, I'm a jock too (among other things), and not everyone has been keen on every station I worked at either. And hey, I know we don't get to pick the music. I'm saying, I personally don't care for CYY. I think that if Nassau thought there was money in active rock, they could easily program a station that would knock CYY flat. CC already has an active rock format, that while corporate and icky, is a lot more entertaining (see: doesn't take itself seriously). I think if Citadel believed they could succeed with CYY big time-they wouldn't be selling CYI. Active rock (please don't say you're alternative, there's a lot of real alternative stations out there, and CYY ain't it) is going by the wayside. That's not to say I think CYY will be gone tomorrow.
But I am saying, if you were to pit a celebrity deathmatch between WHEB and WCYY, CYY would lose. They'd be too busy talking up the latest Kid Rock single.
You can tell when its been a long week for me (and when I'm not excited about anything down at Bull Feeney's) because I'm glued to this board.
Anyways...
Maybe we should start a save CLZ petition? I honestly have a good feeling it will stay AAA. They tried to switch before (back when competing with MGX was everyone's dream!) and the public outcry was strong. I have faith. I doubt my employer would be thrilled about me leading a drive to save a potential competitor!
I looked into XM, but I like Sirius because they've got some good pubcasting channels. A little BBC does the soul good.
Anyways...
Maybe we should start a save CLZ petition? I honestly have a good feeling it will stay AAA. They tried to switch before (back when competing with MGX was everyone's dream!) and the public outcry was strong. I have faith. I doubt my employer would be thrilled about me leading a drive to save a potential competitor!
I looked into XM, but I like Sirius because they've got some good pubcasting channels. A little BBC does the soul good.
D
DidYouKnow
Guest
Isn't it "WCYI" that's FOR SALE? That's 93.9 licensed to Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
> Isn't it "WCYI" that's FOR SALE? That's 93.9 licensed to
> Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
Yes, it is just WCYI. But what's the coverage of WCYY without WCYI? It hits Portland and most areas south; as it has a Biddeford license, it goes farther into York County than most of the other Portland stations. But north of Portland, WCYY doesn't have a great signal, especially north of Falmouth. Considering only signals, WCYY would make a great simulcast with WCLZ, but of course, WCLZ is for sale too.
And for the buyer, WCYI doesn't really have a particularly attractive coverage area. Obviously, the format of 93.9 will change. If the new owner is interested in targetting Augusta with the 93.9 signal, they would seem to have a pretty good rimshot signal in doing this. But in Portland, the 93.9 signal loses its strength in a car radio by Scarborough at the most, if I recall correctly. So as a Portland signal, 93.9 would have a very hard time competing, unless it was perhaps paired with another York County rimshot (hmm... WRED?)
And as for 98.9, just speculation, but isn't WEEI planning a big expansion of their format into other New England markets? 98.9 would seem to be a pretty good signal for this type of endeavor.
> Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
Yes, it is just WCYI. But what's the coverage of WCYY without WCYI? It hits Portland and most areas south; as it has a Biddeford license, it goes farther into York County than most of the other Portland stations. But north of Portland, WCYY doesn't have a great signal, especially north of Falmouth. Considering only signals, WCYY would make a great simulcast with WCLZ, but of course, WCLZ is for sale too.
And for the buyer, WCYI doesn't really have a particularly attractive coverage area. Obviously, the format of 93.9 will change. If the new owner is interested in targetting Augusta with the 93.9 signal, they would seem to have a pretty good rimshot signal in doing this. But in Portland, the 93.9 signal loses its strength in a car radio by Scarborough at the most, if I recall correctly. So as a Portland signal, 93.9 would have a very hard time competing, unless it was perhaps paired with another York County rimshot (hmm... WRED?)
And as for 98.9, just speculation, but isn't WEEI planning a big expansion of their format into other New England markets? 98.9 would seem to be a pretty good signal for this type of endeavor.
you could have saved a LOT of time and energy by simply saying you don't like modern rock. that's what it all comes down to.
if you even suggest that CYY and FNX are in the same boat ratings wise you need to have another look. certainly there's no sales struggle at either station.
creed, limp bizcuit, kid rock .... they haven't been part of the format in a LONG time .... i'm sure you're aware of that, just using rediculous arguments to better your viewpoint.
the taking yourself seriously business still has me scratching my head. you've yet to indicate what that means. you've made it clear CYY does it but that's about it.
if you even suggest that CYY and FNX are in the same boat ratings wise you need to have another look. certainly there's no sales struggle at either station.
creed, limp bizcuit, kid rock .... they haven't been part of the format in a LONG time .... i'm sure you're aware of that, just using rediculous arguments to better your viewpoint.
the taking yourself seriously business still has me scratching my head. you've yet to indicate what that means. you've made it clear CYY does it but that's about it.
Radiothis,
I get where you're tyring to go with this and i can go with you some of the way. A couple of points though. You seem to consider WCYY an Active Rock station. It's not. WCYY is Modern Rock. WHEB and WTOS are area Active Rock outlets. So if you suggest that active rock is dying, you're talking WHEB. Active Rock plays classic AND new rock while Modern Rock seldom goes further back than Kurt Cobain. Also you brought up, in a good way, the WCYY gaming show. That's in fact been one of the worst attempts at radio around here in my memory. It makes even the worst college radio sound polished and professional.
A thought. People here on this board talk about being 'different' all the time. Being different isn't enough. You still have to be different AND good. You have to have an appeal. I like some 'different' stuff but i also know what wouldn't fly on the radio. "The People" don't WANT different. See also: The Popularity Of Stations That Pound The 70's In This Market.
Good discussion on this one.
> It's funny how it always comes down to how the critic should
> be in another business. I'm good at what I do and I enjoy it
> just fine, thanks.
>
> But since it's been a hell of an evening, and talking radio
> is my favorite thing to do (in fact, it's what I'm paid to
> do), I'll digress here. Being serious about what you do is
> very different then taking yourself too seriously. CYY takes
> itself too seriously. I make an exception for Jonesy's video
> game stuff, which, while strange to hear on the radio, made
> for an interesting listen. But this is a station that still
> trys to sound pumped about playing Limp Bizcut. Guys, no one
> cares.
>
> And while I would prefer you try to push some indie rock
> instead of yet another Creed wannabe band, that's my
> personal opinion. Truthfully, I'm likely wrong, since, point
> taken, FNX is no ratings winner. But, just as an aside,
> neither is CYY. FNX knows its market and does fine for
> itself with sales. And truthfully, if you don't understand
> that sales volume trumps ratings, well...I'm not going to
> say find another career, but looking at an economics text
> might help.
>
> Look, my fear is this will get into a personal tirade, and I
> don't want it to. If you are Spanky of CYY fame, I'm a jock
> too (among other things), and not everyone has been keen on
> every station I worked at either. And hey, I know we don't
> get to pick the music. I'm saying, I personally don't care
> for CYY. I think that if Nassau thought there was money in
> active rock, they could easily program a station that would
> knock CYY flat. CC already has an active rock format, that
> while corporate and icky, is a lot more entertaining (see:
> doesn't take itself seriously). I think if Citadel believed
> they could succeed with CYY big time-they wouldn't be
> selling CYI. Active rock (please don't say you're
> alternative, there's a lot of real alternative stations out
> there, and CYY ain't it) is going by the wayside. That's not
> to say I think CYY will be gone tomorrow.
>
> But I am saying, if you were to pit a celebrity deathmatch
> between WHEB and WCYY, CYY would lose. They'd be too busy
> talking up the latest Kid Rock single.
>
I get where you're tyring to go with this and i can go with you some of the way. A couple of points though. You seem to consider WCYY an Active Rock station. It's not. WCYY is Modern Rock. WHEB and WTOS are area Active Rock outlets. So if you suggest that active rock is dying, you're talking WHEB. Active Rock plays classic AND new rock while Modern Rock seldom goes further back than Kurt Cobain. Also you brought up, in a good way, the WCYY gaming show. That's in fact been one of the worst attempts at radio around here in my memory. It makes even the worst college radio sound polished and professional.
A thought. People here on this board talk about being 'different' all the time. Being different isn't enough. You still have to be different AND good. You have to have an appeal. I like some 'different' stuff but i also know what wouldn't fly on the radio. "The People" don't WANT different. See also: The Popularity Of Stations That Pound The 70's In This Market.
Good discussion on this one.
> It's funny how it always comes down to how the critic should
> be in another business. I'm good at what I do and I enjoy it
> just fine, thanks.
>
> But since it's been a hell of an evening, and talking radio
> is my favorite thing to do (in fact, it's what I'm paid to
> do), I'll digress here. Being serious about what you do is
> very different then taking yourself too seriously. CYY takes
> itself too seriously. I make an exception for Jonesy's video
> game stuff, which, while strange to hear on the radio, made
> for an interesting listen. But this is a station that still
> trys to sound pumped about playing Limp Bizcut. Guys, no one
> cares.
>
> And while I would prefer you try to push some indie rock
> instead of yet another Creed wannabe band, that's my
> personal opinion. Truthfully, I'm likely wrong, since, point
> taken, FNX is no ratings winner. But, just as an aside,
> neither is CYY. FNX knows its market and does fine for
> itself with sales. And truthfully, if you don't understand
> that sales volume trumps ratings, well...I'm not going to
> say find another career, but looking at an economics text
> might help.
>
> Look, my fear is this will get into a personal tirade, and I
> don't want it to. If you are Spanky of CYY fame, I'm a jock
> too (among other things), and not everyone has been keen on
> every station I worked at either. And hey, I know we don't
> get to pick the music. I'm saying, I personally don't care
> for CYY. I think that if Nassau thought there was money in
> active rock, they could easily program a station that would
> knock CYY flat. CC already has an active rock format, that
> while corporate and icky, is a lot more entertaining (see:
> doesn't take itself seriously). I think if Citadel believed
> they could succeed with CYY big time-they wouldn't be
> selling CYI. Active rock (please don't say you're
> alternative, there's a lot of real alternative stations out
> there, and CYY ain't it) is going by the wayside. That's not
> to say I think CYY will be gone tomorrow.
>
> But I am saying, if you were to pit a celebrity deathmatch
> between WHEB and WCYY, CYY would lose. They'd be too busy
> talking up the latest Kid Rock single.
>
> > Isn't it "WCYI" that's FOR SALE? That's 93.9 licensed to
> > Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
>
> Yes, it is just WCYI. But what's the coverage of WCYY
> without WCYI? It hits Portland and most areas south; as it
> has a Biddeford license, it goes farther into York County
> than most of the other Portland stations. But north of
> Portland, WCYY doesn't have a great signal, especially north
> of Falmouth. Considering only signals, WCYY would make a
> great simulcast with WCLZ, but of course, WCLZ is for sale
> too.
>
> And for the buyer, WCYI doesn't really have a particularly
> attractive coverage area. Obviously, the format of 93.9 will
> change. If the new owner is interested in targetting Augusta
> with the 93.9 signal, they would seem to have a pretty good
> rimshot signal in doing this. But in Portland, the 93.9
> signal loses its strength in a car radio by Scarborough at
> the most, if I recall correctly. So as a Portland signal,
> 93.9 would have a very hard time competing, unless it was
> perhaps paired with another York County rimshot (hmm...
> WRED?)
>
> And as for 98.9, just speculation, but isn't WEEI planning a
> big expansion of their format into other New England
> markets? 98.9 would seem to be a pretty good signal for this
> type of endeavor.
>
Hey, the previous talk about FNX got me thinking (dangerous) on CYI. Seeing as how FNX has been trying unsuccessfully to get into Portland and CYI has better coverage than 92.1????????? Seems that once I hit Scarborough I can get 92.1.
As for the WEEI, I'm a Sox fan so I'd love for them to be here. However, what's going to happen to the Big Jab once Sporting News radio goes belly up. Wouldn't it make sense for the Big Jab to sell to Entercom or broker thier time?
I would love to participate in a petition drive to save AAA on CLZ. However after seeing the recent ratings trend, I am not too optimistic.
> > Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
>
> Yes, it is just WCYI. But what's the coverage of WCYY
> without WCYI? It hits Portland and most areas south; as it
> has a Biddeford license, it goes farther into York County
> than most of the other Portland stations. But north of
> Portland, WCYY doesn't have a great signal, especially north
> of Falmouth. Considering only signals, WCYY would make a
> great simulcast with WCLZ, but of course, WCLZ is for sale
> too.
>
> And for the buyer, WCYI doesn't really have a particularly
> attractive coverage area. Obviously, the format of 93.9 will
> change. If the new owner is interested in targetting Augusta
> with the 93.9 signal, they would seem to have a pretty good
> rimshot signal in doing this. But in Portland, the 93.9
> signal loses its strength in a car radio by Scarborough at
> the most, if I recall correctly. So as a Portland signal,
> 93.9 would have a very hard time competing, unless it was
> perhaps paired with another York County rimshot (hmm...
> WRED?)
>
> And as for 98.9, just speculation, but isn't WEEI planning a
> big expansion of their format into other New England
> markets? 98.9 would seem to be a pretty good signal for this
> type of endeavor.
>
Hey, the previous talk about FNX got me thinking (dangerous) on CYI. Seeing as how FNX has been trying unsuccessfully to get into Portland and CYI has better coverage than 92.1????????? Seems that once I hit Scarborough I can get 92.1.
As for the WEEI, I'm a Sox fan so I'd love for them to be here. However, what's going to happen to the Big Jab once Sporting News radio goes belly up. Wouldn't it make sense for the Big Jab to sell to Entercom or broker thier time?
I would love to participate in a petition drive to save AAA on CLZ. However after seeing the recent ratings trend, I am not too optimistic.
Man, I'm addict. Is there a self help group for this?
Tommydcat et al,
Point taken. I'm never afraid to correct myself-and in this case I didn't do a good job wrapping up my point. So, without pause, my point:
CYY is a Modern Rocker. I don't disagree, but I also think this is a failing format. There aren't a lot of modern rockers left and where there are successful stations that spin modern rock- they usual incorporate classic rock. They incorporate humor. They call it active rock. I don't know if active rock is really failing, as much as someone in a suit decided it wasn't that appealing to advertisers. But either way, rock on the radio is changing. I believe it's changing in Portland too. And I'm sorry, and I'll say this out loud, CYY is not a well programmed station that could take the heat if another station, active or modern came on the scene. Like CLZ, it feels a little forgotten, a station with potential that Citadel seems concerned to invest in.
I'm sorry that another poster sees my opinions as rude-but I'm basing my opinions on reading trades, attending conferences and doing research. That's not to say I'm right, but it is to say that I don't just post (well most times) the first thing that comes to my head.
Also, I do listen to CYY, I do like Modern Rock and I have heard within the last 6 months, I Did It All for the Nookie, possibly the worst song in the history of rock radio, spun at least twice. So Limp Bizcut, at least recently, was still in rotation. Maybe it was just a renegade DJ bucking the playlist. Either way, it was on the air, it was out of date and I changed the station.
Now I'm not saying the gaming show was good, but it was an attempt to try something different. Interestingly, back in the days of me managing a college radio station, I had some students apply for a show where the played Nintendo on the air. I refused to let them on. So, I suppose it does make college radio sound good. But my point there was that at least CYY was trying to sound like listening to rock was fun, not a painful exercise of modern humanity.
I'm also the first to point out that there's a lot more to all broadcasting then playing what feels right or being different. It's all about sales and sales are all about finding a format that draws listeners that might buy something. So different often doesn't work, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that the diverging off a couple Portland reaching signals doesn't mean that change is coming to the Portland radio dial. So I guess the real question remains? What does this mean to Portland radio?
This is a really good discussion-I really hope it continues. Feel free to disagree too...whenever we talk radio, not personal insults, I'm reminded why I love this business so much.
Tommydcat et al,
Point taken. I'm never afraid to correct myself-and in this case I didn't do a good job wrapping up my point. So, without pause, my point:
CYY is a Modern Rocker. I don't disagree, but I also think this is a failing format. There aren't a lot of modern rockers left and where there are successful stations that spin modern rock- they usual incorporate classic rock. They incorporate humor. They call it active rock. I don't know if active rock is really failing, as much as someone in a suit decided it wasn't that appealing to advertisers. But either way, rock on the radio is changing. I believe it's changing in Portland too. And I'm sorry, and I'll say this out loud, CYY is not a well programmed station that could take the heat if another station, active or modern came on the scene. Like CLZ, it feels a little forgotten, a station with potential that Citadel seems concerned to invest in.
I'm sorry that another poster sees my opinions as rude-but I'm basing my opinions on reading trades, attending conferences and doing research. That's not to say I'm right, but it is to say that I don't just post (well most times) the first thing that comes to my head.
Also, I do listen to CYY, I do like Modern Rock and I have heard within the last 6 months, I Did It All for the Nookie, possibly the worst song in the history of rock radio, spun at least twice. So Limp Bizcut, at least recently, was still in rotation. Maybe it was just a renegade DJ bucking the playlist. Either way, it was on the air, it was out of date and I changed the station.
Now I'm not saying the gaming show was good, but it was an attempt to try something different. Interestingly, back in the days of me managing a college radio station, I had some students apply for a show where the played Nintendo on the air. I refused to let them on. So, I suppose it does make college radio sound good. But my point there was that at least CYY was trying to sound like listening to rock was fun, not a painful exercise of modern humanity.
I'm also the first to point out that there's a lot more to all broadcasting then playing what feels right or being different. It's all about sales and sales are all about finding a format that draws listeners that might buy something. So different often doesn't work, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that the diverging off a couple Portland reaching signals doesn't mean that change is coming to the Portland radio dial. So I guess the real question remains? What does this mean to Portland radio?
This is a really good discussion-I really hope it continues. Feel free to disagree too...whenever we talk radio, not personal insults, I'm reminded why I love this business so much.
J
jetman71
Guest
What do you all think Citidel would want for a price for CLZ?
> > > Isn't it "WCYI" that's FOR SALE? That's 93.9 licensed to
>
> > > Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
> >
> > Yes, it is just WCYI. But what's the coverage of WCYY
> > without WCYI? It hits Portland and most areas south; as it
>
> > has a Biddeford license, it goes farther into York County
> > than most of the other Portland stations. But north of
> > Portland, WCYY doesn't have a great signal, especially
> north
> > of Falmouth. Considering only signals, WCYY would make a
> > great simulcast with WCLZ, but of course, WCLZ is for sale
>
> > too.
> >
> > And for the buyer, WCYI doesn't really have a particularly
>
> > attractive coverage area. Obviously, the format of 93.9
> will
> > change. If the new owner is interested in targetting
> Augusta
> > with the 93.9 signal, they would seem to have a pretty
> good
> > rimshot signal in doing this. But in Portland, the 93.9
> > signal loses its strength in a car radio by Scarborough at
>
> > the most, if I recall correctly. So as a Portland signal,
> > 93.9 would have a very hard time competing, unless it was
> > perhaps paired with another York County rimshot (hmm...
> > WRED?)
> >
> > And as for 98.9, just speculation, but isn't WEEI planning
> a
> > big expansion of their format into other New England
> > markets? 98.9 would seem to be a pretty good signal for
> this
> > type of endeavor.
> >
> Hey, the previous talk about FNX got me thinking (dangerous)
> on CYI. Seeing as how FNX has been trying unsuccessfully to
> get into Portland and CYI has better coverage than
> 92.1????????? Seems that once I hit Scarborough I can get
> 92.1.
>
> As for the WEEI, I'm a Sox fan so I'd love for them to be
> here. However, what's going to happen to the Big Jab once
> Sporting News radio goes belly up. Wouldn't it make sense
> for the Big Jab to sell to Entercom or broker thier time?
>
> I would love to participate in a petition drive to save AAA
> on CLZ. However after seeing the recent ratings trend, I am
> not too optimistic.
>
> > > Isn't it "WCYI" that's FOR SALE? That's 93.9 licensed to
>
> > > Lewiston.94.3 WCYY probobly isn't going anywheres.
> >
> > Yes, it is just WCYI. But what's the coverage of WCYY
> > without WCYI? It hits Portland and most areas south; as it
>
> > has a Biddeford license, it goes farther into York County
> > than most of the other Portland stations. But north of
> > Portland, WCYY doesn't have a great signal, especially
> north
> > of Falmouth. Considering only signals, WCYY would make a
> > great simulcast with WCLZ, but of course, WCLZ is for sale
>
> > too.
> >
> > And for the buyer, WCYI doesn't really have a particularly
>
> > attractive coverage area. Obviously, the format of 93.9
> will
> > change. If the new owner is interested in targetting
> Augusta
> > with the 93.9 signal, they would seem to have a pretty
> good
> > rimshot signal in doing this. But in Portland, the 93.9
> > signal loses its strength in a car radio by Scarborough at
>
> > the most, if I recall correctly. So as a Portland signal,
> > 93.9 would have a very hard time competing, unless it was
> > perhaps paired with another York County rimshot (hmm...
> > WRED?)
> >
> > And as for 98.9, just speculation, but isn't WEEI planning
> a
> > big expansion of their format into other New England
> > markets? 98.9 would seem to be a pretty good signal for
> this
> > type of endeavor.
> >
> Hey, the previous talk about FNX got me thinking (dangerous)
> on CYI. Seeing as how FNX has been trying unsuccessfully to
> get into Portland and CYI has better coverage than
> 92.1????????? Seems that once I hit Scarborough I can get
> 92.1.
>
> As for the WEEI, I'm a Sox fan so I'd love for them to be
> here. However, what's going to happen to the Big Jab once
> Sporting News radio goes belly up. Wouldn't it make sense
> for the Big Jab to sell to Entercom or broker thier time?
>
> I would love to participate in a petition drive to save AAA
> on CLZ. However after seeing the recent ratings trend, I am
> not too optimistic.
>
> Hey, the previous talk about FNX got me thinking (dangerous)
> on CYI. Seeing as how FNX has been trying unsuccessfully to
> get into Portland and CYI has better coverage than
> 92.1????????? Seems that once I hit Scarborough I can get
> 92.1.
A simulcast of WPHX on WCYI would seem to be a good match. But does Phoenix Media have the money? The upgrade of WFNX into Downtown Boston can't be cheap... at the same time, a rimshot like WCYI can't be that expensive.
> As for the WEEI, I'm a Sox fan so I'd love for them to be
> here. However, what's going to happen to the Big Jab once
> Sporting News radio goes belly up. Wouldn't it make sense
> for the Big Jab to sell to Entercom or broker thier time?
Perhaps it could send Atlantic Coast to simulcast WRED on WJJB-FM; it would seem kind of odd that they haven't done it yet. As for the AMs, the ESPN affiliation in Portland was still available at last check, which would be a good fit for WJAE and WJJB if Sporting News shuts down.
WEEI uses Fox Sports for the overnight hours on the flagship, so it would seem that Entercom would aim to use that network on one of the FMs (which would presumably be 98.9, as the signal of 93.9 is a bit lacking).
> on CYI. Seeing as how FNX has been trying unsuccessfully to
> get into Portland and CYI has better coverage than
> 92.1????????? Seems that once I hit Scarborough I can get
> 92.1.
A simulcast of WPHX on WCYI would seem to be a good match. But does Phoenix Media have the money? The upgrade of WFNX into Downtown Boston can't be cheap... at the same time, a rimshot like WCYI can't be that expensive.
> As for the WEEI, I'm a Sox fan so I'd love for them to be
> here. However, what's going to happen to the Big Jab once
> Sporting News radio goes belly up. Wouldn't it make sense
> for the Big Jab to sell to Entercom or broker thier time?
Perhaps it could send Atlantic Coast to simulcast WRED on WJJB-FM; it would seem kind of odd that they haven't done it yet. As for the AMs, the ESPN affiliation in Portland was still available at last check, which would be a good fit for WJAE and WJJB if Sporting News shuts down.
WEEI uses Fox Sports for the overnight hours on the flagship, so it would seem that Entercom would aim to use that network on one of the FMs (which would presumably be 98.9, as the signal of 93.9 is a bit lacking).
J
jetman71
Guest
Re: WCYI-Rimshot
What do you think that the selling price would be for CYI and is it a decent enough signal into downtown Portland that might make it work for FNX?
>
> A simulcast of WPHX on WCYI would seem to be a good match.
> But does Phoenix Media have the money? The upgrade of WFNX
> into Downtown Boston can't be cheap... at the same time, a
> rimshot like WCYI can't be that expensive.
>
What do you think that the selling price would be for CYI and is it a decent enough signal into downtown Portland that might make it work for FNX?
>
> A simulcast of WPHX on WCYI would seem to be a good match.
> But does Phoenix Media have the money? The upgrade of WFNX
> into Downtown Boston can't be cheap... at the same time, a
> rimshot like WCYI can't be that expensive.
>
> Man, I'm addict. Is there a self help group for this?
>
> Tommydcat et al,
>
> Point taken. I'm never afraid to correct myself-and in this
> case I didn't do a good job wrapping up my point. So,
> without pause, my point:
>
> CYY is a Modern Rocker. I don't disagree, but I also think
> this is a failing format. There aren't a lot of modern
> rockers left and where there are successful stations that
> spin modern rock- they usual incorporate classic rock. They
> incorporate humor. They call it active rock. I don't know if
> active rock is really failing, as much as someone in a suit
> decided it wasn't that appealing to advertisers. But either
> way, rock on the radio is changing. I believe it's changing
> in Portland too. And I'm sorry, and I'll say this out loud,
> CYY is not a well programmed station that could take the
> heat if another station, active or modern came on the scene.
> Like CLZ, it feels a little forgotten, a station with
> potential that Citadel seems concerned to invest in.
>
> I'm sorry that another poster sees my opinions as rude-but
> I'm basing my opinions on reading trades, attending
> conferences and doing research. That's not to say I'm right,
> but it is to say that I don't just post (well most times)
> the first thing that comes to my head.
>
> Also, I do listen to CYY, I do like Modern Rock and I have
> heard within the last 6 months, I Did It All for the Nookie,
> possibly the worst song in the history of rock radio, spun
> at least twice. So Limp Bizcut, at least recently, was still
> in rotation. Maybe it was just a renegade DJ bucking the
> playlist. Either way, it was on the air, it was out of date
> and I changed the station.
>
> Now I'm not saying the gaming show was good, but it was an
> attempt to try something different. Interestingly, back in
> the days of me managing a college radio station, I had some
> students apply for a show where the played Nintendo on the
> air. I refused to let them on. So, I suppose it does make
> college radio sound good. But my point there was that at
> least CYY was trying to sound like listening to rock was
> fun, not a painful exercise of modern humanity.
>
> I'm also the first to point out that there's a lot more to
> all broadcasting then playing what feels right or being
> different. It's all about sales and sales are all about
> finding a format that draws listeners that might buy
> something. So different often doesn't work, but you'd be
> hard pressed to convince me that the diverging off a couple
> Portland reaching signals doesn't mean that change is coming
> to the Portland radio dial. So I guess the real question
> remains? What does this mean to Portland radio?
>
> This is a really good discussion-I really hope it continues.
> Feel free to disagree too...whenever we talk radio, not
> personal insults, I'm reminded why I love this business so
> much.
>
Regardless of where this all leads, The Portland radio scene has been too boring since the last major changes occured with Frank and the Bone. Speaking of, what's to become of the Bone now that they are tanking without Howard. Good thing they didn't pick up David Lee Roth.
>
> Tommydcat et al,
>
> Point taken. I'm never afraid to correct myself-and in this
> case I didn't do a good job wrapping up my point. So,
> without pause, my point:
>
> CYY is a Modern Rocker. I don't disagree, but I also think
> this is a failing format. There aren't a lot of modern
> rockers left and where there are successful stations that
> spin modern rock- they usual incorporate classic rock. They
> incorporate humor. They call it active rock. I don't know if
> active rock is really failing, as much as someone in a suit
> decided it wasn't that appealing to advertisers. But either
> way, rock on the radio is changing. I believe it's changing
> in Portland too. And I'm sorry, and I'll say this out loud,
> CYY is not a well programmed station that could take the
> heat if another station, active or modern came on the scene.
> Like CLZ, it feels a little forgotten, a station with
> potential that Citadel seems concerned to invest in.
>
> I'm sorry that another poster sees my opinions as rude-but
> I'm basing my opinions on reading trades, attending
> conferences and doing research. That's not to say I'm right,
> but it is to say that I don't just post (well most times)
> the first thing that comes to my head.
>
> Also, I do listen to CYY, I do like Modern Rock and I have
> heard within the last 6 months, I Did It All for the Nookie,
> possibly the worst song in the history of rock radio, spun
> at least twice. So Limp Bizcut, at least recently, was still
> in rotation. Maybe it was just a renegade DJ bucking the
> playlist. Either way, it was on the air, it was out of date
> and I changed the station.
>
> Now I'm not saying the gaming show was good, but it was an
> attempt to try something different. Interestingly, back in
> the days of me managing a college radio station, I had some
> students apply for a show where the played Nintendo on the
> air. I refused to let them on. So, I suppose it does make
> college radio sound good. But my point there was that at
> least CYY was trying to sound like listening to rock was
> fun, not a painful exercise of modern humanity.
>
> I'm also the first to point out that there's a lot more to
> all broadcasting then playing what feels right or being
> different. It's all about sales and sales are all about
> finding a format that draws listeners that might buy
> something. So different often doesn't work, but you'd be
> hard pressed to convince me that the diverging off a couple
> Portland reaching signals doesn't mean that change is coming
> to the Portland radio dial. So I guess the real question
> remains? What does this mean to Portland radio?
>
> This is a really good discussion-I really hope it continues.
> Feel free to disagree too...whenever we talk radio, not
> personal insults, I'm reminded why I love this business so
> much.
>
Regardless of where this all leads, The Portland radio scene has been too boring since the last major changes occured with Frank and the Bone. Speaking of, what's to become of the Bone now that they are tanking without Howard. Good thing they didn't pick up David Lee Roth.
> Just read at R&R that Citadel is divesting themselves of
> these properties here. Is this the end of AAA in Portland?
I wouldn't read anything into it quite yet. Divesting these stations is far from a done deal. If you read the FCC filings, what Citadel is doing is putting the stations into a "stand-by" trust so it can complete its merger with ABC radio with no real headaches. Citadel appears to be concerned that it will be considered a new company due to the massive amount of stock changing hands, and it also apparently has some concern that its stations will be lumped in with Disney's to compute its station count in some markets due to substantially common ownership. Citadel was able to acquire many of its stations under the old ownership rules, which enabled it to get 8 stations in markets like Portland and Albuquerque due to signal overlap of a few strong signals with out of market signals and 10 stations in Little Rock because of very little overlap even locally. If Citadel is determined to be a new company, its acquisitions would be governed under the new ownership rules, which uses Arbitron market definitions to compute the number of stations per market instead of signal contours.
> these properties here. Is this the end of AAA in Portland?
I wouldn't read anything into it quite yet. Divesting these stations is far from a done deal. If you read the FCC filings, what Citadel is doing is putting the stations into a "stand-by" trust so it can complete its merger with ABC radio with no real headaches. Citadel appears to be concerned that it will be considered a new company due to the massive amount of stock changing hands, and it also apparently has some concern that its stations will be lumped in with Disney's to compute its station count in some markets due to substantially common ownership. Citadel was able to acquire many of its stations under the old ownership rules, which enabled it to get 8 stations in markets like Portland and Albuquerque due to signal overlap of a few strong signals with out of market signals and 10 stations in Little Rock because of very little overlap even locally. If Citadel is determined to be a new company, its acquisitions would be governed under the new ownership rules, which uses Arbitron market definitions to compute the number of stations per market instead of signal contours.
Re: FNX and 93.9 CYI?
> What do you think that the selling price would be for CYI
> and is it a decent enough signal into downtown Portland that
> might make it work for FNX?
The signal isn't horrible, but for the most part, the signal of 93.9 in Portland is lacking. The reason, obviously, is 94.3 WCYY. North of Falmouth, the station usually scans in on a car radio and comes in pretty well, but further south, there are issues. I recall that by Scarborough (on I-95), you pretty much lose the signal.
But 92.1 WPHX is a horrible signal, which probably would have better luck targetting Portsmouth. The 92.1 signal doesn't reach far past Biddeford. Together with WCYI, they would cover much of the Portland market excluding the city of Portland.
For price? Personally, I have no idea. Perhaps a recent benchmark would be the Nassau/Herron sale, where Nassau got WMEK, WTHT, WMTW, WMTW-FM, and WLAM for $12 million. WMEK had a good signal with a lousy format, WTHT had a powerful signal with a decent format, and WMTW/WMTW-FM/WLAM simulcasted the lousy news-talk format with 3 lousy signals that together hit most of the market. So as WCYI is a powerful signal that covers the lesser-populated areas of the market and will come with no intellectual property, what could it cost? Totaling the WMTW stations together, each station in the Nassau sale would be $4 million. So maybe $2-3 million for WCYI. Again, just a guess, as I'm no media broker.
> What do you think that the selling price would be for CYI
> and is it a decent enough signal into downtown Portland that
> might make it work for FNX?
The signal isn't horrible, but for the most part, the signal of 93.9 in Portland is lacking. The reason, obviously, is 94.3 WCYY. North of Falmouth, the station usually scans in on a car radio and comes in pretty well, but further south, there are issues. I recall that by Scarborough (on I-95), you pretty much lose the signal.
But 92.1 WPHX is a horrible signal, which probably would have better luck targetting Portsmouth. The 92.1 signal doesn't reach far past Biddeford. Together with WCYI, they would cover much of the Portland market excluding the city of Portland.
For price? Personally, I have no idea. Perhaps a recent benchmark would be the Nassau/Herron sale, where Nassau got WMEK, WTHT, WMTW, WMTW-FM, and WLAM for $12 million. WMEK had a good signal with a lousy format, WTHT had a powerful signal with a decent format, and WMTW/WMTW-FM/WLAM simulcasted the lousy news-talk format with 3 lousy signals that together hit most of the market. So as WCYI is a powerful signal that covers the lesser-populated areas of the market and will come with no intellectual property, what could it cost? Totaling the WMTW stations together, each station in the Nassau sale would be $4 million. So maybe $2-3 million for WCYI. Again, just a guess, as I'm no media broker.
O
OldPort
Guest
> > Man, I'm addict. Is there a self help group for this?
> >
> > Tommydcat et al,
> >
> > Point taken. I'm never afraid to correct myself-and in
> this
> > case I didn't do a good job wrapping up my point. So,
> > without pause, my point:
> >
> > CYY is a Modern Rocker. I don't disagree, but I also think
>
> > this is a failing format. There aren't a lot of modern
> > rockers left and where there are successful stations that
> > spin modern rock- they usual incorporate classic rock.
> They
> > incorporate humor. They call it active rock. I don't know
> if
> > active rock is really failing, as much as someone in a
> suit
> > decided it wasn't that appealing to advertisers. But
> either
> > way, rock on the radio is changing. I believe it's
> changing
> > in Portland too. And I'm sorry, and I'll say this out
> loud,
> > CYY is not a well programmed station that could take the
> > heat if another station, active or modern came on the
> scene.
> > Like CLZ, it feels a little forgotten, a station with
> > potential that Citadel seems concerned to invest in.
> >
> > I'm sorry that another poster sees my opinions as rude-but
>
> > I'm basing my opinions on reading trades, attending
> > conferences and doing research. That's not to say I'm
> right,
> > but it is to say that I don't just post (well most times)
> > the first thing that comes to my head.
> >
> > Also, I do listen to CYY, I do like Modern Rock and I have
>
> > heard within the last 6 months, I Did It All for the
> Nookie,
> > possibly the worst song in the history of rock radio, spun
>
> > at least twice. So Limp Bizcut, at least recently, was
> still
> > in rotation. Maybe it was just a renegade DJ bucking the
> > playlist. Either way, it was on the air, it was out of
> date
> > and I changed the station.
> >
> > Now I'm not saying the gaming show was good, but it was an
>
> > attempt to try something different. Interestingly, back in
>
> > the days of me managing a college radio station, I had
> some
> > students apply for a show where the played Nintendo on the
>
> > air. I refused to let them on. So, I suppose it does make
> > college radio sound good. But my point there was that at
> > least CYY was trying to sound like listening to rock was
> > fun, not a painful exercise of modern humanity.
> >
> > I'm also the first to point out that there's a lot more to
>
> > all broadcasting then playing what feels right or being
> > different. It's all about sales and sales are all about
> > finding a format that draws listeners that might buy
> > something. So different often doesn't work, but you'd be
> > hard pressed to convince me that the diverging off a
> couple
> > Portland reaching signals doesn't mean that change is
> coming
> > to the Portland radio dial. So I guess the real question
> > remains? What does this mean to Portland radio?
> >
> > This is a really good discussion-I really hope it
> continues.
> > Feel free to disagree too...whenever we talk radio, not
> > personal insults, I'm reminded why I love this business so
>
> > much.
> >
> Regardless of where this all leads, The Portland radio scene
> has been too boring since the last major changes occured
> with Frank and the Bone. Speaking of, what's to become of
> the Bone now that they are tanking without Howard. Good
> thing they didn't pick up David Lee Roth.
>
Well, I must say, this wino doesn't wake up til about 10am anyway (except on gov't $$ check day), so what's the difference? The Bone is the Bone. They're sounding a lot more like Frank musically these days anyway. As ZZ Top once said, "what's up with that?"
On the WCLZ-WCYI thing, couldn't Nassau or Jeffries (probably not Saga) theoretically buy one of the signals apeiece?
> >
> > Tommydcat et al,
> >
> > Point taken. I'm never afraid to correct myself-and in
> this
> > case I didn't do a good job wrapping up my point. So,
> > without pause, my point:
> >
> > CYY is a Modern Rocker. I don't disagree, but I also think
>
> > this is a failing format. There aren't a lot of modern
> > rockers left and where there are successful stations that
> > spin modern rock- they usual incorporate classic rock.
> They
> > incorporate humor. They call it active rock. I don't know
> if
> > active rock is really failing, as much as someone in a
> suit
> > decided it wasn't that appealing to advertisers. But
> either
> > way, rock on the radio is changing. I believe it's
> changing
> > in Portland too. And I'm sorry, and I'll say this out
> loud,
> > CYY is not a well programmed station that could take the
> > heat if another station, active or modern came on the
> scene.
> > Like CLZ, it feels a little forgotten, a station with
> > potential that Citadel seems concerned to invest in.
> >
> > I'm sorry that another poster sees my opinions as rude-but
>
> > I'm basing my opinions on reading trades, attending
> > conferences and doing research. That's not to say I'm
> right,
> > but it is to say that I don't just post (well most times)
> > the first thing that comes to my head.
> >
> > Also, I do listen to CYY, I do like Modern Rock and I have
>
> > heard within the last 6 months, I Did It All for the
> Nookie,
> > possibly the worst song in the history of rock radio, spun
>
> > at least twice. So Limp Bizcut, at least recently, was
> still
> > in rotation. Maybe it was just a renegade DJ bucking the
> > playlist. Either way, it was on the air, it was out of
> date
> > and I changed the station.
> >
> > Now I'm not saying the gaming show was good, but it was an
>
> > attempt to try something different. Interestingly, back in
>
> > the days of me managing a college radio station, I had
> some
> > students apply for a show where the played Nintendo on the
>
> > air. I refused to let them on. So, I suppose it does make
> > college radio sound good. But my point there was that at
> > least CYY was trying to sound like listening to rock was
> > fun, not a painful exercise of modern humanity.
> >
> > I'm also the first to point out that there's a lot more to
>
> > all broadcasting then playing what feels right or being
> > different. It's all about sales and sales are all about
> > finding a format that draws listeners that might buy
> > something. So different often doesn't work, but you'd be
> > hard pressed to convince me that the diverging off a
> couple
> > Portland reaching signals doesn't mean that change is
> coming
> > to the Portland radio dial. So I guess the real question
> > remains? What does this mean to Portland radio?
> >
> > This is a really good discussion-I really hope it
> continues.
> > Feel free to disagree too...whenever we talk radio, not
> > personal insults, I'm reminded why I love this business so
>
> > much.
> >
> Regardless of where this all leads, The Portland radio scene
> has been too boring since the last major changes occured
> with Frank and the Bone. Speaking of, what's to become of
> the Bone now that they are tanking without Howard. Good
> thing they didn't pick up David Lee Roth.
>
Well, I must say, this wino doesn't wake up til about 10am anyway (except on gov't $$ check day), so what's the difference? The Bone is the Bone. They're sounding a lot more like Frank musically these days anyway. As ZZ Top once said, "what's up with that?"
On the WCLZ-WCYI thing, couldn't Nassau or Jeffries (probably not Saga) theoretically buy one of the signals apeiece?
> On the WCLZ-WCYI thing, couldn't Nassau or Jeffries
> (probably not Saga) theoretically buy one of the signals
> apeiece?
Is Nassau maxed-out in the market? 106.3 and 106.7 are part of the Portland market, but are 99.9 and 107.5 considered part of the L/A market by the FCC? Not sure where the York County signals (99.3 and 104.7) would count either. But also considering 870 and 1470, Nassau has a large share of the market. Would the FCC let them add more?
(and as Nassau is not one to keep low-rated formats, what would they put on it if the AAA were ditched? Smooth Jazz? Hot AC?)
Ownership wise, Jeffries could acquire one or both of the stations, as he has 2 FMs (WJJB-FM and WRED) and 3 AMs (WJJB, WLOB, and WJAE) at the moment. And it would appear that 93.9 would be a decent signal to simulcast 95.9 and give WRED full market coverage.
But could the sale of the stations bring new blood into the market? Specifically, with Entercom expanding the WEEI franchise onto FM frequencies in various New England markets, could Portland be next?
> (probably not Saga) theoretically buy one of the signals
> apeiece?
Is Nassau maxed-out in the market? 106.3 and 106.7 are part of the Portland market, but are 99.9 and 107.5 considered part of the L/A market by the FCC? Not sure where the York County signals (99.3 and 104.7) would count either. But also considering 870 and 1470, Nassau has a large share of the market. Would the FCC let them add more?
(and as Nassau is not one to keep low-rated formats, what would they put on it if the AAA were ditched? Smooth Jazz? Hot AC?)
Ownership wise, Jeffries could acquire one or both of the stations, as he has 2 FMs (WJJB-FM and WRED) and 3 AMs (WJJB, WLOB, and WJAE) at the moment. And it would appear that 93.9 would be a decent signal to simulcast 95.9 and give WRED full market coverage.
But could the sale of the stations bring new blood into the market? Specifically, with Entercom expanding the WEEI franchise onto FM frequencies in various New England markets, could Portland be next?
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