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WCNW 1560 Goes Dark. Forever.

What's funny is it had a good footprint in the daytime. Good signal in Cincinnati and Dayton.
The daytime only doomed them. I wonder how many daytime only stations are still operating?
 
What's funny is it had a good footprint in the daytime. Good signal in Cincinnati and Dayton.
The daytime only doomed them. I wonder how many daytime only stations are still operating?
Better question...how many daytime AM's are actually profitable.
 
According to Kiesewetter, WCVG 1320 has been running 50 watts on a long wire even though it isn't a day time AM who is listening and how are they turning a profit?
 
According to Kiesewetter, WCVG 1320 has been running 50 watts on a long wire even though it isn't a day time AM who is listening and how are they turning a profit?

What does a daytime am have to do with that? Nothing

There's also been no Special temporary authority filed to say WCVG lost use of its tower site and needs a temporary longwire.

So thats not to say they arent, but nothings been filed.
 
Better question...how many daytime AM's are actually profitable.
Three answers: first, those that have translators are often profitable. Second, there are quite a few larger market daytimers that make a profit from ethnic or religious operations. And, third, there are many which don't have to be profitable as they are operated by religious and faith based groups who employ their stations for outreach.
 
What does a daytime am have to do with that? Nothing

There's also been no Special temporary authority filed to say WCVG lost use of its tower site and needs a temporary longwire.

So thats not to say they arent, but nothings been filed.
I was surprised when I saw that mentioned however it does relate in as it illustrates that the land is worth more than the value of these stations are that are transmitting on graveyard frequencies on the AM band
 
I was surprised when I saw that mentioned however it does relate in as it illustrates that the land is worth more than the value of these stations are that are transmitting on graveyard frequencies on the AM band
Not just the 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490 "graveyarders" but many daytimers and upper end of the dial lower power fulltimers.
 
What's funny is it had a good footprint in the daytime. Good signal in Cincinnati and Dayton.
The daytime only doomed them. I wonder how many daytime only stations are still operating?
The WCNW signal was good in parts of the Cincinnati market year-round between 10 AM and 4 PM. The other hours were afflicted with critical hours noise, electrical interference, and skywave. And it was very noisy coming into downtown on I-71 and I-75.
 
So, in the Cincinnati market alone you have several horrible AM signals with many "technical" issues.
WDJO 1480 (barely listenable within 5 miles of the transmitters). Contacted them several times. Crickets!
WCVG 1320 (see above).
WCNW 1560 (silent, for now or, maybe forever, who knows?)
The times have changed quickly for AM radio in this market alone.
Note: Two of the three stations above have a translator - or two -.
WDJO never did complete the move to Milford for 95.3 to cover the east suburbs. Blasting 2 watts from downtown is a joke on that frequency.
WCVG's translator at 103.9 can barely make it 5 miles....
Sad, to say the least.
 
So, in the Cincinnati market alone you have several horrible AM signals with many "technical" issues.
WDJO 1480 (barely listenable within 5 miles of the transmitters). Contacted them several times. Crickets!
WCVG 1320 (see above).
WCNW 1560 (silent, for now or, maybe forever, who knows?)
The times have changed quickly for AM radio in this market alone.
Note: Two of the three stations above have a translator - or two -.
WDJO never did complete the move to Milford for 95.3 to cover the east suburbs. Blasting 2 watts from downtown is a joke on that frequency.
WCVG's translator at 103.9 can barely make it 5 miles....
Sad, to say the least.
The 2 watts at 95.3 was a smart move to save an expiring Construction Permit that can be upgraded later. The move to Milford was having issues finding a suitable tower site while the CP was set to expire. It's not easy to just find a tower and build. You have to find a suitable tower and a cooperative tower owner. That doesn't always happen. WCVG's translator is the same situation. I think they are doing their best to keep that license alive so that they can improve it later.
 
The 2 watts at 95.3 was a smart move to save an expiring Construction Permit that can be upgraded later. The move to Milford was having issues finding a suitable tower site while the CP was set to expire. It's not easy to just find a tower and build. You have to find a suitable tower and a cooperative tower owner. That doesn't always happen. WCVG's translator is the same situation. I think they are doing their best to keep that license alive so that they can improve it later.
Ok. Good to know. Hope you are correct. WDJO has had the 2 watts at 95.3 for nearly 2 years. I thought they could just attach to a cell tower along I-275 on the east side. What I'm trying to understand is WHY these stations don't communicate with the public about future upgrades. It would seem they would like to have their dwindling audiences informed. Maybe it's just me. Hmm.
 
Ok. Good to know. Hope you are correct. WDJO has had the 2 watts at 95.3 for nearly 2 years. I thought they could just attach to a cell tower along I-275 on the east side. What I'm trying to understand is WHY these stations don't communicate with the public about future upgrades. It would seem they would like to have their dwindling audiences informed. Maybe it's just me. Hmm.
Because there's no point in telling the public about something that may not happen. If you tell the audience that there's a new signal coming on and then it doesn't happen for whatever reason, you look foolish. And normal radio listeners don't get caught up in this stuff. These kinds of things happen all the time behind the scenes. Just look at the FCC filings at fccdata.org to see all of the various changes and amendments and superceded applications that stations go through before they finally settle. Once the issues are solved, then you can tell the public. Just about every translator in this market has bounced from tower to tower and frequency to frequency before finally settling in to what is is now.
 
It is hard for me to imagine that in 2030 there will still be low power and or daytime a.m. stations. apart from the fact that that land is just too valuable also those frequencies are valuable and could be repurposed
 
I totally agree. Any AM that is only on the air to feed a translator should be allowed the option to shut it down. If the purpose of the AM Improvement Act was to give some of these stations relief, then they shouldn't be burdened with maintaining a complicated antenna system that isn't serving any real purpose. I know this isn't the case for a lot of stations, but in smaller towns the FM at 250 watts covers just as much as a 1kw AM.
 
Ok. Good to know. Hope you are correct. WDJO has had the 2 watts at 95.3 for nearly 2 years. I thought they could just attach to a cell tower along I-275 on the east side. What I'm trying to understand is WHY these stations don't communicate with the public about future upgrades. It would seem they would like to have their dwindling audiences informed. Maybe it's just me. Hmm.
not only is there no point in telling them about what may happen, but most listeners wont understand the mintuia like we do and they dont care.. they just want things to work.

Trust me.. in my 20 years, i exlpain things to listeners. .and some just plain old dont care how... they just wanna turn on their radios and have it work
 
Agree with all. I was in radio for over 10 years in the Huntington/Ashland market back in the late 70's & early 80's. I guess we never really leave the business, in our minds and hearts, but just follow with anticipation of changes in radio. AM was my love growing up. A lot of things have changed in the last few decades. I'll just stick with the good memories.
 
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