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WCRS-LP/WCRX-LP timeshare
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There is a new proposal that likely will be law in the future. I wonder how this will effect WCRS
and WCRX LP because they are two adjacent(101.7 has a CP to move in) channels away from from TWO Full Power stations. It says the FCC will be stricter in enforcing interference rules that second channel adjacent LPFM stations have to FULL power stations in the future. They have to deal with
both 101.7 and 102.5.
This is a Quote from this article:
http://www.radioworld.com/article/110892
and WCRX LP because they are two adjacent(101.7 has a CP to move in) channels away from from TWO Full Power stations. It says the FCC will be stricter in enforcing interference rules that second channel adjacent LPFM stations have to FULL power stations in the future. They have to deal with
both 101.7 and 102.5.
This is a Quote from this article:
http://www.radioworld.com/article/110892
The bill would lift third-adjacency protections, but "all the other channels are more adequately protected," an NAB spokesman told Radio World.
gabigley1 said:There is a new proposal that likely will be law in the future. I wonder how this will effect WCRS
and WCRX LP because they are two adjacent(101.7 has a CP to move in) channels away from from TWO Full Power stations. It says the FCC will be stricter in enforcing interference rules that second channel adjacent LPFM stations have to FULL power stations in the future. They have to deal with
both 101.7 and 102.5.
This is a Quote from this article:
http://www.radioworld.com/article/110892
The bill would lift third-adjacency protections, but "all the other channels are more adequately protected," an NAB spokesman told Radio World.
I am not sure that anyone has made any sense out of this yet...I don't think the existing station would be affected, as it was allowed as a third adjacency...the question I have if it will put more translator like rules in effect for LPFM...you can have a translator as a 2nd adjacent, but not a LPFM...which makes little sense, as translators generally have more power than a LPFM.
So the question I would have is if this rule might allow some translators to become reclassified as LPFM's
[/quote]The bill would lift third-adjacency protections, but "all the other channels are more adequately protected," an NAB spokesman told Radio World.
I am not sure that anyone has made any sense out of this yet...I don't think the existing station would be affected, as it was allowed as a third adjacency...the question I have if it will put more translator like rules in effect for LPFM...you can have a translator as a 2nd adjacent, but not a LPFM...which makes little sense, as translators generally have more power than a LPFM.
So the question I would have is if this rule might allow some translators to become reclassified as LPFM's
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http://recnet.com/LCRA_HR-6533.pdf
gabigley1 said:When will the transfer to TNN take place? It's been almost 30 days already. Is the transfer of WCRS-LP FM to TNN in limbo?
It's supposed to be 12/21/2010
knowbetter said:The bill would lift third-adjacency protections, but "all the other channels are more adequately protected," an NAB spokesman told Radio World.
I am not sure that anyone has made any sense out of this yet...I don't think the existing station would be affected, as it was allowed as a third adjacency...the question I have if it will put more translator like rules in effect for LPFM...you can have a translator as a 2nd adjacent, but not a LPFM...which makes little sense, as translators generally have more power than a LPFM.
So the question I would have is if this rule might allow some translators to become reclassified as LPFM's
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http://recnet.com/LCRA_HR-6533.pdf
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These articles provided some more clarification on this topic. Since the LPFM's are of equal status to translators, they will be allowed to operate on 2nd adjacent channels(like WCRX-LP and WCRS-LP) to full power stations with some conditions. These are stated below from the article:
http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2010/12/18/breaking-down-the-houses-new-lpfm-bill/
http://home.recnet.com/node/231
Quote from the article above:
Submitted by Michelle Eyre on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 14:27
The key differences between the new HR-6533 and the previous bill HR-1147 includes:
- The new bill specifies that protection will be given to co-channel, first adjacent and second adjacent channels.
- The new bill allows for a second-adjacent waiver that permits stations to be placed on second adjacent channels upon showing a technical showing that no interference will be caused. This process calls for the LPFM station to remediate any interference that takes place on a second adjacent channel by immediately suspending operations and working with the interfered station to resolve the issues.
My point is that if this is signed into law, Full Power stations on both 101.7(CP to move in) and 102.5 can now complain to the commission that LPFMs stations on 102.1 are causing interference(if any) to them. WCRX-LP and WCRS-LP would now have to remediate any interference at there own expense.
gabigley1 said:My point is that if this is signed into law, Full Power stations on both 101.7(CP to move in) and 102.5 can now complain to the commission that LPFMs stations on 102.1 are causing interference(if any) to them. WCRX-LP and WCRS-LP would now have to remediate any interference at there own expense.
As you said, there is still a whole lot of "figuring out" what this will all mean...This bill does not really appear to help anyone in a large market, but will probably help in smaller ones. Time will tell....although If the FCC expect the low powers to pay for a lot of engineering expense, the LPFM's will suffer. I guess it's going to depend a lot on how the LP's approach engineering...
jakej said:I do the best I can to interfere with ALL our radio stations, not just the ones at 101.7 and 102.5.
let's hope they don't return the favor
gabigley1 said:My point is that if this is signed into law, Full Power stations on both 101.7(CP to move in) and 102.5 can now complain to the commission that LPFMs stations on 102.1 are causing interference(if any) to them. WCRX-LP and WCRS-LP would now have to remediate any interference at there own expense.
Also, just of the top of my head...102.5 is not local to Columbus, and 101.7 is a new CP, so it probably doesn't matter either, the COL is probably Delaware, at best, so....I don't think 102.1 will be affected...
101.9...ouch, but they might be able to find another frequency in Delaware, that is not available in Columbus..
The rule will provide for a minimum separation distance between the low power and full power station. That is based on the distance transmitter site to transmitter site. So the actual city of license of each station is irrelevant. The Commission is flexible in allowing translators to change channel and/or transmitter site when required by upgrades of full power stations. Even though this would otherwise be a major change, and thereby prohibited except during application "windows."
Translators protect existing stations based on contour overlap. That is, the contour of a new adjacent channel translator must protect, not overlap, the contour of the protected station. There is a loophole in the translator rules that is exploited to fit in translators based on the overlap falling in "uninhabited" areas. As a practical matter, if the protected station does not complain to the FCC when the application is filed about a violation of the rules, the Commission usually lets these applications through without much examination.
Translators protect existing stations based on contour overlap. That is, the contour of a new adjacent channel translator must protect, not overlap, the contour of the protected station. There is a loophole in the translator rules that is exploited to fit in translators based on the overlap falling in "uninhabited" areas. As a practical matter, if the protected station does not complain to the FCC when the application is filed about a violation of the rules, the Commission usually lets these applications through without much examination.
TomT said:The rule will provide for a minimum separation distance between the low power and full power station. That is based on the distance transmitter site to transmitter site. So the actual city of license of each station is irrelevant.
yep, you're right...but my point was that since the existing facilities are already in place, they might have a chance. In reading the bill that was passed, I am a little less enthusiastic about what the LPFM community won in this "act"..
In large markets like Columbus, Ohio, with a lot of fringe move in's, this is probably going to be a LPFM disaster! This market was better off with the existing FCC attitudes, vs the new congressional ones!
again, time will tell!
knowbetter said:gabigley1 said:When will the transfer to TNN take place? It's been almost 30 days already. Is the transfer of WCRS-LP FM to TNN in limbo?
It's supposed to be 12/21/2010
Yes, The 12/21/2010 sale of WCRS-LP is now posted on the FCC web site here: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1400947
Also, there is a photo of the festivities during the 12/21/10 sale of Simply Living Radio to The Neighborhood Network on the WCRS-LP website here: http://wcrsfm.org/
Any changes in store for WCRS-LP now that it is owned by The Neighborhood Network?
Nice article in today's Dispatch about WCRS/WCRX --
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...dd-hours-once-details-ironed-out.html?sid=101
My favorite part is this quote of Robb's: "To an extent, we're a licensed pirate radio station". Yeah!!!
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...dd-hours-once-details-ironed-out.html?sid=101
My favorite part is this quote of Robb's: "To an extent, we're a licensed pirate radio station". Yeah!!!
The only thing I don't care for in the piece is its indication that only "pockets of Franklin County" can pick up one of our two FM signals. That's why we have two -- so that we can cover the whole county! I've worked in the Northland area and 102.1 comes in fine there, as does 98.3 on the west side, near where I live.
The article notes our hope to have Spanish programming in the future but also accurately indicates that we already have Somali-language programming. Two different locally-produced and hosted shows are aired from 3 to 6pm on Saturdays and Sundays. I believe that we've had both of them for about a year now.
The article notes our hope to have Spanish programming in the future but also accurately indicates that we already have Somali-language programming. Two different locally-produced and hosted shows are aired from 3 to 6pm on Saturdays and Sundays. I believe that we've had both of them for about a year now.
jakej said:The only thing I don't care for in the piece is its indication that only "pockets of Franklin County" can pick up one of our two FM signals. That's why we have two -- so that we can cover the whole county! I've worked in the Northland area and 102.1 comes in fine there, as does 98.3 on the west side, near where I live.
Actually, if the modulation issues and antenna issues are worked out, the stations will be heard over the entire city. The antenna is 250+ feet and should the proper antenna be installed, the signal is pretty sizable.
I have to take some exception to Jakes statement, as only WCRS is currently broadcast on 98.3. The reason are that one of the TNN board members (this was well before the transfer) complained to the FCC that a rule was being broken, transmitting two different stations on a translator (note, the FCC says channel, and channel usually refers to the frequency), but that individuals complaint led to a stupid email that said only the station that is listed on the translator license can be transmitted. Both Stations have always used the same antenna and transmitter, so to exclude one on the basis on it's a different licensee is absolutely stupid... I won't mention the parity of treatment agreement that was also signed between the two groups. they agreed in writing to both be treated the same, among other things.
A lot of folks everywhere disagree with this, but it is what it is, for the time being. CICJ, the licensee of 98.3, has said they will request a waiver of the email, I can't even call it a ruling, when the two parties come to a time share agreement, partly because the complaining party has threatened to throw the translator off his land, if it carries WCRX...
Oh, and the reason WCRX was removed from the translator, was that individual disagreed with an alternative view on Global warming..since it didn't agree with his thoughts...so much for free speech
The article notes our hope to have Spanish programming in the future but also accurately indicates that we already have Somali-language programming. Two different locally-produced and hosted shows are aired from 3 to 6pm on Saturdays and Sundays. I believe that we've had both of them for about a year now.
Actually longer, jake
jakej said:The article notes our hope to have Spanish programming in the future ...
Great, We already have 103.1, 1550 for that... and people complain about TWO AC stations!.
xmusicmatt said:jakej said:The article notes our hope to have Spanish programming in the future ...
Great, We already have 103.1, 1550 for that... and people complain about TWO AC stations!.
The new Bexley lineup has a great music and feature laden morning show, educational features, some helpful and informative consumer shows, and some features on jobs, employment, and some how too's. There is some weekend stuff that is really great...I think we will surprise a lot of folks with the creativeness, and evenhanded issue programming.. we will at least present both sides of an issue.
jakej said:Nice article in today's Dispatch about WCRS/WCRX --
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...dd-hours-once-details-ironed-out.html?sid=101
My favorite part is this quote of Robb's: "To an extent, we're a licensed pirate radio station". Yeah!!!
nuff said!
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