WCRS-LP/WCRX-LP timeshare

[knowbetter]

Interesting article.

It mentioned the possibility of Somali and Spanish language programming in the future. How reliably does the station reach areas where those populations are most concentrated locally (maybe the Northland area and West side, respectively)?

The article isn't really that accurate...

Elizabeth mentions makes references to the Columbus, and Bexley station, I would say more Clintonville, and East Side. Bexley does, in it's two hours tend to concentrate on important Bexley and Whitehall issues, but generally concentrates on the East Side, from Gahanna, Reynoldsburg, Whitehall, New Albany, Bexley , and to some Degree, Westerville an Worthington... Since those are the areas that the station is best heard, since we are not on the translator on the West side of town!

Simply Living, in the past has concentrated on Clintonville, Short North, The university area, etc, which is more in line with the people and attitudes they serve. The attitude/group served with Simply Living/TNN are the more "artist community, and activist types", and Bexley bunch, more general market, professional, and broad based" While certain parts of the days are political, WCRX is not that interested in changing peoples minds on how they think, or should think, we just get the info out.

The other thing that is incorrect in the article is why WCRX objected to the transfer to TNN. The stations are time shared, and the FCC has a specific procedure to allowing new entrants into a time shared license. In Bexley's mind, that procedure was not followed, and thus the basis for the complaint.

WCRX cares little what WCRS, TNN does with their time, as they should not care what happens in the time that is programmed by WCRX. WCRS wanted to control certain hours of the day to run programming they favored, WCRX wants a simple split of hours. It is unknown how TNN will respond, as many of the people involved with Simply Living are also involved in TNN. Our hope is that the new individuals will add some maturity to the negotiations.

 

[jakej]

Geesh, no wonder the two sides can't come to an agreement, if grudges are going to be held and chips remain on shoulders forever. Look at your last few posts, knowbetter -- can we at least agree that the present and future are more important than the past, and move on? It's possible that the maturity needs to be spread around a little wider than you think.

 

[Nu_Roo_2]

I think we will surprise a lot of folks with the creativeness, and evenhanded issue programming.. we will at least present both sides of an issue.

That would be a welcome novelty for radio these days! But can people handle anything besides hyper-partisan anymore? At least Columbus doesn't yet have a Talk station with that uber-obnoxious moniker "The Truth."

 

[jakej]

No, but I played "The Truth" by Squeeze on my show two Fridays ago, right after "You Can't Lie To A Liar" by the Searchers. Those two bands have been the featured artists on "Secrets" for the past six weeks and will be continuing in that role for a record-breaking 7th week next Thursday and Friday! When all is said and done, it will have been 28 Searchers tunes matched up with 28 Squeeze songs, all on FM radio, believe it or not!!

 

[Dave Sarnoff]

all on FM radio

Well, kind of, I guess.

 

[jakej]

As I say during the introduction to "Yesterday's Top Secrets" each night, "...102.1 and 98.3 low-power high-entertainment FM..."!

 

[knowbetter]

Geesh, no wonder the two sides can't come to an agreement, if grudges are going to be held and chips remain on shoulders forever. Look at your last few posts, knowbetter -- can we at least agree that the present and future are more important than the past, and move on? It's possible that the maturity needs to be spread around a little wider than you think.

WCRX obviously agree that the future is more important, than the past, I believe our actions, and in some cases, lack of action do speak volumes toward that goal. It is WCRX's position to work with TNN, rather then continue an unproductive fight, but we also expect fairness in return.

My post are accurate, All we ask for is splitting the time between the two stations, equal parity on the translator, ie, what is broadcasted from the shared transmitter site, is also carried on the translator, so it can be heard equally all over town, so the listeners all over the area get are better and equally served with programming, and responsible engineering practices, to maximize the signal.

These points haven't changed for at least a year!

The split is simple. Split the prime Arbitron rated hours from 6 am to 12 pm, in the middle, 3 pm, and one station gets the AM,the other gets the PM. As WCRS originally programmed 3 to 11 PM, it was simple fairness to allow them to continue in that time slot, and WCRX would program the pretty much unused daytime hours. Both Stations would have 3 hours of over night, usually unrated periods, and since WCRS was already programming up until 11 pm, i was a simple matter to add the extra hours to their existing schedule.

pretty simple , really.. and what do you take offense in, on my "last few post"???

 

[jakej]

Your historical retelling of instances in which you feel Bexley was slighted by Simply Living. Your "We will at least present both sides of an issue" jab, and your hope that with the switch to TNN, "the new individuals will add some maturity to the negotiations." And another thing, what's with the "nuff said" about Robb's pirate radio quote from the article? To me it is pirate radio, because I'm doing exactly what I want to do, with a true passion and enthusiasm for the music -- what's wrong with that? Just cause you don't have those things on any other radio station in this town doesn't mean that they're wrong.

 

[knowbetter]

Your historical retelling of instances in which you feel Bexley was slighted by Simply Living. Your "We will at least present both sides of an issue" jab, and your hope that with the switch to TNN, "the new individuals will add some maturity to the negotiations." And another thing, what's with the "nuff said" about Robb's pirate radio quote from the article? To me it is pirate radio, because I'm doing exactly what I want to do, with a true passion and enthusiasm for the music -- what's wrong with that? Just cause you don't have those things on any other radio station in this town doesn't mean that they're wrong.

Jake, I asked what offended you in my last post?, I am not sure you answered that.

Pirate Radio? doesn't bother me in the least what and how you do it. Doing anything with passion is fine and dandy with me. I am sure that just about anyone who knows your post has already surmised your thoughts on radio, your passion for your show, and what you think of "establishment broadcasting".. Again, it doesn't matter at all to most of us, and especially me, I find the attitude entertaining, but I think it points to a certain type of style that you like, and you show, and post echo that style. I learned a long time ago there is no "right and wrong" in most of radio, so who cares.

Both sides of an issue, wasn't as much of a "jab", but a statement of fact. There isn't a single opinion that makes it to the air, sometimes that's welcome, and sometimes not. I don't know why you are offended by that.

"Historical Retelling", of actions by Simply Living... now that is an interesting statement. I think many people here are aware that many of the individuals on the Simply Living Radio Advisory Board, who managed their radio operations are the same individuals who were always a part of TNN, at a time three of them were board members of TNN, so it is clear that the fact that one must acknowledge previous history and actions is fairly important. In all fairness, there are other parties involved now, so the question is will the other parties have enough influence to allow things to move forward, or do they become mired in mud again, and further action gets taken.

What you seem to be asking is, "oops, we spilled a lot of oil in the gulf, but we now changed our name, and everything is okay!' Your assertion that anything has been changed, has yet to be proven.

WCRX is approaching TNN with an open mind, and trying to work with TNN on a solution. But Jake, if you for one minute think that anyone here believes for one second that ALL of those actions and prior decisions were made by Marilyn, and the SL board, strictly on their own, without input from that advisory board, you must believe we are totally crazy. We are not concerned with any issues that don't reflect the FCC's instruction to work out the details of the time share.

As stated before...

1 Split the time

2 Serve the public by giving them complete and constant signals.

3 Fix the technical problems to serve the public, and the needs of both stations.

What programming, who and how it's run isn't anywhere on that list.

 

[jakej]

Come on, you wrote "what do you take offense in, on my "last few post". I assumed you meant last few posts and accidentally left off the "s" at the end -- that interpretation is a lot closer than assuming that you stuck a whole extra word in there (few), and just meant last post. But since you asked, well obviously, my reference to your "adding some maturity" remark comes directly out of that particular post. And I might as well add that I suppose the silliest thing about it is its nit-picking over the details of the article. That doesn't disturb me as much as its maturity wisecrack and some of what's in your posts that preceded it; I just think it's funny.
Let's take the rest of this in order: it's no big deal, but I still don't know what you meant by "nuff said" in relation to WCRS being like a licensed pirate radio station. Then this might be another typo in your next paragraph, but "There isn't a single opinion that makes it to the air" kind of baffles me. Do you mean dissenting opinion? Or do you mean that we only provide facts and not opinions? Your original statement that was that the new WCRX will present both sides of an issue, which insinuated that WCRS never does (which was reinforced by your later "WCRX is not that interested in changing peoples minds on how they think, or should think, we just get the info out" remark). Next paragraph, no, you didn't have to "acknowledge previous history" because you've already done that in prior posts, on quite a few occasions. You were just looking for an excuse to do it again, when really it's time to move on and get over that. It's like Nu Roo and 93.3 -- we already know how you feel about certain other people, and have for quite some time!!! And I don't know about oil, but I think it's becoming clearer that the biggest obstacle to our making any progress in the future is, as I wrote before, the grudges that you continue to hold and the chips that remain on your shoulder. If future discussions stall or completely break down, then I think this continuing animosity rather than anything that's on our side is what's going to be primarily to blame.

 

[knowbetter]

Come on, you wrote "what do you take offense in, on my "last few post". I assumed you meant last few posts and accidentally left off the "s" at the end -- that interpretation is a lot closer than assuming that you stuck a whole extra word in there (few), and just meant last post. But since you asked, well obviously, my reference to your "adding some maturity" remark comes directly out of that particular post. And I might as well add that I suppose the silliest thing about it is its nit-picking over the details of the article. That doesn't disturb me as much as its maturity wisecrack and some of what's in your posts that preceded it; I just think it's funny.

and again, you have proven yourself to be "much too touchy"

Let's take the rest of this in order: it's no big deal, but I still don't know what you meant by "nuff said" in relation to WCRS being like a licensed pirate radio station. Then this might be another typo in your next paragraph, but "There isn't a single opinion that makes it to the air" kind of baffles me. Do you mean dissenting opinion? Or do you mean that we only provide facts and not opinions? Your original statement that was that the new WCRX will present both sides of an issue, which insinuated that WCRS never does (which was reinforced by your later "WCRX is not that interested in changing peoples minds on how they think, or should think, we just get the info out" remark).

again, too damned touchy..what makes you think that i spend that much time listening to WCRS?

Next paragraph, no, you didn't have to "acknowledge previous history" because you've already done that in prior posts, on quite a few occasions. You were just looking for an excuse to do it again, when really it's time to move on and get over that.

Your count and mine must be different, and why are you SO offended by this. It's true, and if you punch me in the nose a few times, what do you expect. I said that if the new TNN folks are willing to discuss, and work for a solution, we will work hard with them. That's it...period. We hope that the response so far is indicative of the new relationship. It is clear that you want us to forgive and forget. We may be willing to forgive, but that will take time, and positive experiences. Why would you expect anything different? Only in Monopoly is there a "get out of Jail free card"..TNN isn't in Jail, but past experience tells me not to walk in front of a bus

It's like Nu Roo and 93.3 -- we already know how you feel about certain other people, and have for quite some time!!!

Roo has nothing to do with this, and we all tolerate your constant self promotion

And I don't know about oil, but I think it's becoming clearer that the biggest obstacle to our making any progress in the future is, as I wrote before, the grudges that you continue to hold and the chips that remain on your shoulder.

Actually, we don't have a grudge against TNN, as far as we are concerned, they are a new entity. We are hoping that the new blood will see the common problems we both have, and work for solutions, but we are aware that some of the same people were involved in creating the past problems. I hope you would not ignore that bus coming down the expressway, if you decided to cross it.

If future discussions stall or completely break down, then I think this continuing animosity rather than anything that's on our side is what's going to be primarily to blame.

Animosity?

What Animosity?

From where I sit, it's a simple set of task to be done. Any set of idiots can get them done.

split hours, share coverage, and fix signal....period.

Tell me more about this animosity, and what how you plan to use it to advantage. (without hurting yourselves in the process)

 

[jakej]

I've got next week's shows to work on, so just look up animosity in the dictionary and think about how it relates to your feelings towards certain people, as reflected in what you've written. The word isn't a tool that's used by anyone; it's simply a description of your attitude towards others. Sorry if I'm being too touchy again, or whatever equally non-applicable word you want to call it.

 

[knowbetter]

I've got next week's shows to work on, so just look up animosity in the dictionary and think about how it relates to your feelings towards certain people, as reflected in what you've written. The word isn't a tool that's used by anyone; it's simply a description of your attitude towards others. Sorry if I'm being too touchy again, or whatever equally non-applicable word you want to call it.

OH, I get it now...

you can express and opinion on the article, but I can't...

you can criticize, but I can't..

I guess I should crawl back into my hole, and let you have your way...

did I get it right?

 

[RFdude1]

I have been following this thread with interest for some time now. It seems to me that the childish feuding taking place between you two groups is a perfect reason why the FCC should NOT allow time sharing, PERIOD. The best way to deal with this is for the FCC to yank everybody's license for this frequency, put them into a large fish bowl and pull out ONE winner. The BS going on between you guys is only detracting from the products you do manage to get on the air. I have tried to listen to your mess more than once and tuned away in disgust with the puny signal and marginal audio quality.

If you can't get it together, then SHUT IT DOWN. If you can get it together, CLEAN IT UP so that people would actually want to brave the puny signal and listen............ !!

 

[Dave Sarnoff]

I have to agree - a 14-page thread about a 100-watt peanut whistle toy radio station...comical.

 

[gabigley1]

Nice article in today's Dispatch about WCRS/WCRX --

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...dd-hours-once-details-ironed-out.html?sid=101

My favorite part is this quote of Robb's: "To an extent, we're a licensed pirate radio station". Yeah!!!

This article fails to address what the FCC may do if both parties fail to come to an timeshare agreement. They may open up the unused airtime to other applicant(s). Then, they may take years deciding on the new licensees for 102.1 which will mean even more years of dead air on 102.1.

I have to agree - a 14-page thread about a 100-watt peanut whistle toy radio station...comical.

With as many views, there must be a reasonable amount of interest on this topic. You also have to take into account that Columbus is the largest
city in the country to have a LPFM radio station licensed to it. So, you are not as likely to see LPFM stuff on the other top 50 radio market threads.

 

[gabigley1]

Nice article in today's Dispatch about WCRS/WCRX --

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...dd-hours-once-details-ironed-out.html?sid=101

My favorite part is this quote of Robb's: "To an extent, we're a licensed pirate radio station". Yeah!!!

Long time Dxer and Dx editor, Glenn Hauser, has this to say about this article in his latest edition
of DXLD; DX LISTENING DIGEST 11-01, January 5, 2011.

He seems to be getting confused with the translator on 98.3, not knowing WCRX-LP is not allowed
to broadcast and/or translated on the 98.3 frequency. Not a good article if he has a hard time
deciphering it properly.

http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt

{As early in the story, they do not share `a` frequency but two
frequencies, so what`s the problem?? And who cares what the calls
are? FM Atlas XXI has nothing in the Ohio LPFM sexion under Bexley,
but does show Columbus with two 6-watters on *102.1, WCRS-LP and
WCRX-LP! Rather than hunt for a 98.3 under some other unfamiliar
suburb, to FCC FM Query: but of the six licensed stations in Ohio
on 98.3, which includes LPFM and translators, none of them are near
Columbus, Franklin County, as quickly checked in the index of my
Rand-McNally, nor do any of them have similar calls to the 102.1
pair. So what?? Then to Google. First hit for Bexley PR
which is mainly about their limited program schedule last years,
at one point says ``Bexley Public Radio WCRX-LP 102.1 FM
(simulcast on 98.3 FM)`` without explanation. Also see
http://www.shortnorth.com/WCRSRadio.html
There are lots more stories about this by Googling, but nothing
found yet to explain where and what the 98.3 signal is (gh)}

 

[knowbetter]

DONE!

 

[teched]

I, too, am of the opinion that dead air is of little service to the community...

Hopefully I continue to have that opinion.

Dispatch article:
Low-power radio stations reach deal on broadcast hours
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/01/17/low-power-radio-deal.html

 

[gabigley1]

DONE!

It looks like The Neighborhood Network was willing to give up it's claim of the valuable morning drive time hours. That seemed to be the main sticking
point of this longtime dispute. Besides, it seems to me, the evening/night hours are more suited for it's programing.