WCSB 89.3 Switches to JazzNEO

[VintageMac]

Because there's an issue of the students using university property to raise money and not sharing it with the university. I think there's potential for legal action.

Don't let the Girl Scouts sell cookies there.

 

[TheBigA]

Don't let the Girl Scouts sell cookies there.

You think it's funny?

I think if the university published how much money they spent on the station used by only 40 students, people might have a different opinion.

 

[Rusty Muck]

This is literally the only corner of the internet that is.

Except it's not. RAMP 24/7, which had been a reputable online trade pub, took Alison Bomgardner's narrative as gospel. They want to bad-mouth the very institution they are attending to as many people as possible.

I'm familiar with your past. I was pissed when V103 and 87.7 went down, but I got it, it was about ratings, but I thought a station that wasn't out there for ratings would of been treated a little different. I guess I was naive

For the upteenth time, CSU gave them the ability to start an online operation and did not confiscate funds raised by WCSB. Ideastream was willing to partner with them for various things. Those offers were rejected by the former staff in what can now only be considered as purely self-destructive behavior.

WCSB was given ample opportunities to continue outside of 89.3. The people who ran WCSB chose not to take advantage of it and are currently poisoning the well for generations to come. They alone are the problem here and it's time to say it out loud.

 

[VintageMac]

You think it's funny?

I think if the university published how much money they spent on the station, people might have a different opinion.

No, but you are!!!

Also, please be sure to check your dictionary for the definition of a minor (as well as local).

 

[VintageMac]

Except it's not. RAMP 24/7, which had been a reputable online trade pub, took Alison Bomgardner's narrative as gospel. They want to bad-mouth the very institution they are attending to as many people as possible.

For the upteenth time, CSU gave them the ability to start an online operation and did not confiscate funds raised by WCSB. Ideastream was willing to partner with them for various things. Those offers were rejected by the former staff in what can now only be considered as purely self-destructive behavior.

WCSB was given ample opportunities to continue outside of 89.3. The people who ran WCSB chose not to take advantage of it and are currently poisoning the well for generations to come. They alone are the problem here and it's time to say it out loud.

Let's not forget Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/radio/comments/1o178ny/cleveland_state_university_abruptly_ends

 

[TheBigA]

Also, please be sure to check your dictionary for the definition of a minor (as well as local).

Check the law about university responsibilities over undergraduate students.

 

[VintageMac]

Check the law about university responsibilities over undergraduate students.

Typical corporate response boomer.

 

[VintageMac]

A public request for this thread to be closed as it has become obvious that the argument is continually circular and the differences are irreconcilable. One can only state the same exact thing 100 times.

If you weren't on here all the time as well as some other agitated old folks, that wouldn't be happening. No need to respond 24/7 LOL!

 

[VintageMac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1o7tgqh/csu_sold_out_wcsb_for_1000_ad_spots_and_a_seat_on

 

[VintageMac]

WKHR does have a better format anyhow as well as better personalities than NEOJazz.

 

[Rusty Muck]

Reddit posts are so funny, they don't have to be true!

If you actually read the article instead of the fantastic narrative conjured by the Reddit poster, no money changed hands and several standard agreements took place. That's not a "sellout" expect in people's wildest imaginations.

CSU lands promos, Ideastream seat in WCSB deal

Public records show the institutions entered into an eight-year agreement over radio station WCSB earlier this month.

signalcleveland.org

As part of the exchange, an agreement shows one of the things Cleveland State will receive is up to 1,000 annual on-air mentions – officially known as “underwriting” in the public media world – across three of Ideastream’s radio and TV stations. Eight hundred spots will run on both WCSB and classical radio station WCLV, with the remaining 200 announcements airing on television station WVIZ.

The university and the public media station will also create up to 1,000 in total additional on-air spots celebrating the institutions’ “joint strategic collaborations” across those same three stations, records show.

Both promotions run for the deal’s full terms. Plus, Cleveland State’s president will receive a seat on Ideastream’s Board of Trustees for that same time frame, records show.

That might seem outrageous except that happens literally all the time. And CSU has had board seats with Ideastream and predecessor Cleveland Public Radio in the past. So the whole "CSU sold out WCSB" narrative immediately falls apart.

 

[VintageMac]

Reddit posts are so funny, they don't have to be true!

If you actually read the article instead of the fantastic narrative conjured by the Reddit poster, no money changed hands and several standard agreements took place. That's not a "sellout" expect in people's wildest imaginations.

CSU lands promos, Ideastream seat in WCSB deal

Public records show the institutions entered into an eight-year agreement over radio station WCSB earlier this month.

signalcleveland.org

That might seem outrageous except that happens literally all the time. And CSU has had board seats with Ideastream and predecessor Cleveland Public Radio in the past. So the whole "CSU sold out WCSB" narrative immediately falls apart.

John Derf Backderf

The prez of Cleveland State and the CEO of Ideastream were on Sound of Ideas this morning, trying furiously to stamp out the firestorm they started with the secret takeover and elimination of the...

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[Rusty Muck]

John Derf Backderf

The prez of Cleveland State and the CEO of Ideastream were on Sound of Ideas this morning, trying furiously to stamp out the firestorm they started with the secret takeover and elimination of the...

www.facebook.com

Derf has a political agenda. He is 100% wrong in his assessment.

Quit trying to accelerate and antagonize.

 

[VintageMac]

Derf has a political agenda. He is 100% wrong in his assessment.

Quit trying to accelerate and antagonize.

You don't know the difference between expressing one's opinions and antagonizing. You don't need to respond to every person's post so if you do, expect more.

 

[Rusty Muck]

You don't know the difference between expressing one's opinions and antagonizing. You don't need to respond to every person's post so if you do, expect more.

Do not threaten me like that.

 

[VintageMac]

Do not threaten me like that.

You just want to censor others that don't agree with you and then say it's a threat. You should be a comedian as your posts just get more hilarious.

 

[Rusty Muck]

You just want to censor others that don't agree with you and then say it's a threat. You should be a comedian as your posts just get more hilarious.

You are the one insulting and attacking other posters and reacting with 🤣 when presented with rebuttals. I hit "ignore" on you yet you chose to directly antagonize me and TheBigA. You are the one who is accelerating. I have every right to stand up for myself.

 

[inter1097]

CSU could easily put an HD on 89.3 and make the HD-2 the classic WCSB along with their online, changing the call letters of 89.3. As far as what is on FM and what is just online and HD-2, consider this: Most people I know who are under a certain age do not listen to the radio. Most don't even own a radio. It makes sense to put the older demographic service on FM, and the classic WCSB online and HD-2. If WCSB does this, I guarantee you that they would not lose many listeners. But once again, CSU never apparently had any concern about the station, its staff or its listeners to try to work out something.

To be fair. I'm not sure Ideastream would be okay with having WCSB on HD2 because let's say between the hours of 11PM-6AM they weren't exactly political correct. Safe Harbor is the reason the talk shows were late at night.

 

[davideduardo]

Really? Do you know what's involved? From what I understand it requires a different antenna, a different transmitter, and a royalty payment to the owners of the HD radio copyright. So there's money involved, and the university doesn't want to spend any more money on a club that only has 40 students involved.

While some stations, early on, used separate HD facilities, in general you put an HD "box" in the rack next to the transmitter and made some modifications to inject the HD component into the transmitters feed to the existing antenna. Later transmitters had HD or HD capability built in. I've never been at the transmitter when a station enabled or installed HD, but I'm guessing Mr Fybush or one of still active engineers here can clear up my kind of simplistic explanation.

The initial payment for royalties is not huge, and the ongoing fee is also small. It varies by station and market.

But "yes" there is a cost and some considerable engineering work involved.

I understand all of that. Which is why these students SHOULD be excited about putting their station online. But they aren't. They want to stay on a platform that very few people of college age listen. Which is once again why the university wants to get out of radio.

Which brings up the question of why they want the FM signal so badly. It sounds like "they are my jacks and I'm taking them home".

It's an expensive club with only 40 student members. The university has said the students are free to use all the money they've raised to start an online station themselves. But the university wants to get out of the radio business.

I'm sure the large number of independent non-students on the "station team" who can't be held to university standards probably frightened the lawyers involved more than anyone!

 

[davideduardo]

If you weren't on here all the time as well as some other agitated old folks, that wouldn't be happening. No need to respond 24/7 LOL!

The "old folks" insult here and the "boomer" one earlier are getting close to a moderator decision to either start deleting posts or cancelling your access.

I'm still open to keeping the thread open, but that is because there is still some news coming out about this.

Keep in mind that the negotiation with IdeaStream was not done overnight. It is likely, and this is my supposition, that months of talks led up to the final decision to give the programming of the station to an independent entity. And in the process of those negotiations, the possible reactions of the very few students actually involved and the liability of having so many outsiders operating the station and doing shows were definitely on the table.