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WCSB Flips to Jazz

ted chittenden said:
If that last sentence is true, then I guess we'd better look for the Gavin polling of college stations to shut down; and we also should look for the recording industry to stop marketing new acts to college radio stations. And College stations have been in the past, and still are, one big way for new acts to break into the majors that will most certainly be shut down if all colleges follow Cleveland State's example.
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Those same artists are now using other methods like Soundcloud and Bandcamp to self-publish. Or they’re going to places like TikTok. Such is the plight of radio’s past reputation for new music discovery.
ted chittenden said:
And though I've had my issues with college radio in the distant past, I, for one, don't think allowing students to have fun and point at what might be the next big thing for the music industry is really a bad thing.
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WRUW and WJCU still exist and are basically doing what WCSB had been (WJCU does play oldies on the weekends but the core format is still student run). It’s not like this killed off campus radio in the market completely.
 
VintageMac said:
You have trouble reading. I stated about other local college stations? Look up "local" if not sure what it means.
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Give it time. The trend is that colleges are getting out of owning radio stations. It's happening all over the country. People want lower taxes and lower cost for college. Nobody wants to pay more money so kids can play music on the radio.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where the college will be paying for internships. The reason the college did this was so they didn't have to pay for operations anymore.
 
ted chittenden said:
If that last sentence is true, then I guess we'd better look for the Gavin polling of college stations to shut down; and we also should look for the recording industry to stop marketing new acts to college radio stations.
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That's a funny comment. It's rare for record labels to market ANY artists to ANY radio. Record labels have cut radio promotion to only country and CHR. I'm not aware that Mediabase monitors college airplay. Billboard bases its charts on Mediabase. As someone else said, Gavin shut down a long time ago.
 
Has anyone here read the comments about the format change on their Facebook pages? Pretty much everybody who has commented are not happy with Ideastream controlling the station. Frankly, I never heard of WCSB until now.
 
snowdog88 said:
Has anyone here read the comments about the format change on their Facebook pages? Pretty much everybody who has commented are not happy with Ideastream controlling the station. Frankly, I never heard of WCSB until now.
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Same with some of the Cleveland Reddit pages. Like I said in previous posts, it could have been handled better.
 
TheBigA said:
Those are owned by private colleges, not state colleges. Different finances.
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Fair enough. But even then those institutions have to see the writing on the wall with the feasibility of operating radio stations for campus formats. Maybe not now but in the future.
 
Nathan Obral said:
Indeed, most of them were the nationality hosts. And to be honest, nationality programming is a relic from decades ago; many of them moved to the non-comm band when WXEN and WZAK gave up ethnic programming and switched formats in the late 1970s. WCPN aired them as part of a condition with their license but those hosts either retired or passed away.
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So what if it's from decades ago? I know people who came here from Germany, Poland, Etc. decades ago that listened to WXEN [remember them?]. True, not as many now because a number have passed away but their kids and sometimes grandkids still listen today, mostly online now. Years ago they used to invite me to German festivals, Polish stuff among others and when they found out I was in radio [well before the internet was a thing] I'd get asked where they could listen to the music and languages they grew up with. The best I could do was tell them to check out the lower left end of the dial on weekends to see if they could stumble across what they were longing for. The laments were loud and long from them. Their kids, even though they listened, couldn't have cared less.
 
ted chittenden said:
You may well be right--the preceeding comments on this thread had reminded me about the service that I had read and heard about many moons ago. So I guess I can scratch that part of the argument...
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From Wikipedia: In February 2002, United Business Media, who had owned the Gavin Report since 1992, decided to close the publication. Gavin executives cited a lack of cooperation on the part of media conglomerates (specifically naming Clear Channel Communications and Infinity Broadcasting), as well as poor convention attendance as reasons for the closure.[3]
 
Yabadabado1 said:
So what if it's from decades ago? I know people who came here from Germany, Poland, Etc. decades ago that listened to WXEN [remember them?]. True, not as many now because a number have passed away but their kids and sometimes grandkids still listen today, mostly online now.
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That's proving my point. Block programming devoted to different ethnicities is a relic and most of the hosts have either retired or died.

Booth American dropped WXEN's ethnic shows because it wasn't viable for the long term. The Zapis family did the same with WZAK. WCPN would have axed their ethnic shows years ago—and tried, twice!—but state funding forced them to keep the shows in place until the station ceased to exist.

Such programming is more viable online. Especially if you want to target younger people.
 
Nathan Obral said:
That's proving my point. Block programming devoted to different ethnicities is a relic and most of the hosts have either retired or died.

Booth American dropped WXEN's ethnic shows because it wasn't viable for the long term. The Zapis family did the same with WZAK. WCPN would have axed their ethnic shows years ago—and tried, twice!—but state funding forced them to keep the shows in place until the station ceased to exist.

Such programming is more viable online. Especially if you want to target younger people.
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Yes, but there are still a few, especially the older ones, that don't DO internet and prefer to listen OTA.. I'd speak Gaeilge like my great-grandparents did and like to listen to Gaeilge music [I'm not even sure if they do it anymore but Zoomer radio {AM 740} used to have an Irish hour or two] but nowadays I have to settle listening to Clannad or Enya. Yes, I could go online or get CDs----yes, I still use that "ancient" technology---but have little time anymore to just sit and just listen.
I'm sure in some of the bigger cities----New York, LA, etc.----they're may still be ethnic programming OTA probably on the far left end of the dial or maybe on an AM station somewhere but I ain't there. Yeah, "Well, idiot, you can listen online or off your smartass phone" but I prefer to listen and support the old fashioned OTA stations.
 
Yabadabado1 said:
Yes, but there are still a few, especially the older ones, that don't DO internet and prefer to listen OTA.. I'd speak Gaeilge like my great-grandparents did and like to listen to Gaeilge music [I'm not even sure if they do it anymore but Zoomer radio {AM 740} used to have an Irish hour or two] but nowadays I have to settle listening to Clannad or Enya. Yes, I could go online or get CDs----yes, I still use that "ancient" technology---but have little time anymore to just sit and just listen.
I'm sure in some of the bigger cities----New York, LA, etc.----they're may still be ethnic programming OTA probably on the far left end of the dial or maybe on an AM station somewhere but I ain't there. Yeah, "Well, idiot, you can listen online or off your smartass phone" but I prefer to listen and support the old fashioned OTA stations.
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Listening online IS supporting the stations. They don’t care whether or not a local listener listens online vs over the air.
 


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