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WCSH-how do they do it???

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OldPort

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How is it, in a small TV market like Portland, that WCSH can have such a huge news staff, tons of local programming, weekend newscasts in dayparts where others have none, while WMTW and WGME seem pathetically low-budget by comparison?

When will 8 and 13 up the ante? Or, a more appropriate question, when will the bottom fall out for WCSH?

Curious Courvoisier connoiseurs want to know!
 
> How is it, in a small TV market like Portland, that WCSH can
> have such a huge news staff, tons of local programming,
> weekend newscasts in dayparts where others have none, while
> WMTW and WGME seem pathetically low-budget by comparison?
>
> When will 8 and 13 up the ante? Or, a more appropriate
> question, when will the bottom fall out for WCSH?
>
> Curious Courvoisier connoiseurs want to know!
>


Could it be their parent company (Gannett) has big pockets??? Or could it be that they produce some newscasts for sister station WLBZ in Bangor so it is more cost effective.

The WMTW comment surprises me. I thought that H-A would put an investment into WMTW. They did with WMUR (although it started with the Imes family.)

As for WGME the best thing that could happen to them is the same thing which happened to KOVR in the Sacramento DMA (they are in the process of being sold to Viacom.) As long as Sinclair owns that station the ante will never be upped. At least it is not NewsCentral
 
WCSH-TV even ran a newscast at noon on Sundays back in 1987! (I lived in Old Orchard Beach then and couldn't figure it out.) I think that eventually changed when NBC's "NFL Live" went to an hour. Speaking of WCSH-TV, do they still lead the ratings in the Portland/Poland Spring DMA?

As for Sinclair, they also own WGGB-TV (ABC) channel 40 ("ABC 40") of Springfield, MA. As far as I can tell (hard to see very well with their lousy reception in New Britain, CT), their newscasts are still done locally.

Oh and, just to nitpick, KOVR-TV (CBS) channel 13 is licensed to Stockton, CA and not Sacramento. :>
 
> > How is it, in a small TV market like Portland, that WCSH
> can
> > have such a huge news staff, tons of local programming,
> > weekend newscasts in dayparts where others have none,
> while
> > WMTW and WGME seem pathetically low-budget by comparison?
> >
> > When will 8 and 13 up the ante? Or, a more appropriate
> > question, when will the bottom fall out for WCSH?
> >
It's not much but WMTW is increasing their morning show to two hours.Both 6 & 13 are two hours already.
 
.
>
> Oh and, just to nitpick, KOVR-TV (CBS) channel 13 is
> licensed to Stockton, CA and not Sacramento. :>
>

Yes, but in my previous post I stated the Sacremento DMA. Stockton is part of the Sacremento DMA.
 
> How is it, in a small TV market like Portland, that WCSH can
> have such a huge news staff, tons of local programming,
> weekend newscasts in dayparts where others have none, while
> WMTW and WGME seem pathetically low-budget by comparison?
>
> When will 8 and 13 up the ante? Or, a more appropriate
> question, when will the bottom fall out for WCSH?
>
> Curious Courvoisier connoiseurs want to know!
>


They are able to do it because their ratings are SOOO much higher than the other two stations. It will be interesting to see if WMTW can increase their ratings slowly, with H/A at the helm. Experience from other markets and stations says they can, but we'll see.

Til then, WCSH will continue to rule because they literally own the market and thusly, can get such high prices for their advertising.
 
> .
> >
> > Oh and, just to nitpick, KOVR-TV (CBS) channel 13 is
> > licensed to Stockton, CA and not Sacramento. :>
> >
>
> Yes, but in my previous post I stated the Sacremento DMA.
> Stockton is part of the Sacremento DMA.
>
Stockton is 60 miles south of Sacramento, and has three TV's licensed there -- absolutely NONE of them have more than a one-person news bureau in Stockton. KOVR's facilities are in West Sacramento; the other stations are KQCA/58, which is operated from KCRA in Sacramento (both are owned by H/A); and KTFK/64 Telefutura, which is operated from KUVS' facilities in Sacramento (both are owned by Univision). KUVS, by the way, is licensed to Modesto -- also part of the Sacramento DMA.

For the sake of history, KOVR hasn't been operated from Stockton since 1958.
 
Re: WCSH-how do they do it???No MAB awards

At the M.A.B. annual awards,according to the Maine Sunday Telegram channel 6 WCSH didn't get a single award.
 
> WCSH-TV even ran a newscast at noon on Sundays back in 1987!
> (I lived in Old Orchard Beach then and couldn't figure it
> out.) I think that eventually changed when NBC's "NFL Live"
> went to an hour.

Nope. They joined NFL Live in progress. Was a source of frustration for me for years. These days if there's an NBC commitment at noon, they pre-empt the newscast.
 
Re: WCSH-how do they do it???No MAB awards

> At the M.A.B. annual awards,according to the Maine Sunday
> Telegram channel 6 WCSH didn't get a single award.
>

I think what you're referring to here is last month's Maine Associated Press Broadcasters Association awards. WCSH hasn't entered that contest for years. They don't have to. They've already clinched The Big Prize: They're number one. And don't think there isn't a news manager in the market who would like to follow their lead and stop entering local contests. The production of entries is needlessly time-consuming, not to mention a drain on the budget.

A couple of points in response to OPW's original post: First, I don't think WCSH has such a huge news staff compared to 8 and 13. I've done analyses in the past, and the numbers were comparable. Though we've seen plenty of folks flee Sinclair, we've seen additional hires at Hearst-Argyle. My sense is that the staff sizes are still comparable.

Tons of local programming? Hmm. Six does two hours in the morning, as does 13; starting Monday, so will 8. All do noon shows Monday to Friday. Six and 13 do 90 minutes on weeknights starting at 5; 8 is locked into the Dr. Phil circus from 5 to 6. Six is alone in producing a weekend noon show and "Bill Green's Maine." It's my understanding that Gannett requires all local affiliates to produce a "207" type product, so presumeably CSH gets adequate funding for it. But in terms of straight-up news, the only advantage that 6 has is the weekend noon show. Granted, though they're quite soft, "BGM" and "207" do keep the peacock flag flying.

Pathetically low-budget? I think "pathetically" is a bit strong. Thirteen -- despite Sinclair's all-out attempts to drive down the station's ratings -- still sends reporters to cover the big story, wherever it may be. And 8 had sports reporters flying all over the place for pro-football last fall. The big question is how 6's ad rates compare to the competition's, and while that may seem obvious based on ratings, my understanding is that CSH doesn't "lead the market" by driving ad rates as high as it could.

So where does 6 have the big advantages? First, in breadth. Unlike its competitors, it is truly a statewide station, with a second newsroom in Bangor. That enables it to get pictures quickly when its competitors have to wait or forego them. Second, it has a well-established anchor team that has been in place for more than a decade. GME has anchors who've been on the bench for a long time, but they're not all equally popular. As for MTW, it's been musical chairs, and that's hurt that station. Third, CSH has a far superior promotions department and always has. The station is also willing to give up the inventory to air those promotions. (And inventory is a big issue these days. Am I the only who noticed how little coverage GME gave to the base closure announcement during morning programming? Could it be that Sinclair didn't want to give up the inventory for the biggest news story of the year?) And finally, you can't beat the power of the incumbent. CSH is no lame duck.

Finally, OPW asks when 8 and 13 will up the ante -- and when the bottom will fall out for CSH. I agree with the writer who said 13 will never up the ante as long as they're owned by Sinclair, and that's a shame: They could be a strong contender for No. 1 if Sinclair would let them do what they do so well. (On the other hand, take a look at Sinclair's stock price and tell me you don't believe the rumors that GME is for sale. Now that could really shake up the market.) I think 8 will rev up slowly. It could take a decade or more to turn that situation around. Hearst-Argyle's got deep pockets.

So, Old Port Wino, I pass the brown paper bag back to you. Budgets aside, what do you think 8 and 13 do well? Where, if anywhere, is CSH vulnerable?

And does anyone think there's anything to these rumors of Fox 23 starting up a news operation in the Port City?

Cheers.
 
Re: WCSH-how do they do it???No MAB awards

Am I the only who
> noticed how little coverage GME gave to the base closure
> announcement during morning programming? Could it be that
> Sinclair didn't want to give up the inventory for the
> biggest news story of the year?)

The base closures are measures strongly supported by Rumsfeld and Bush. They wouldn't want to appear critical by bringing attention to how the closings would affect the locals. 'Nuff said!
 
Re: WCSH-how do they do it???No MAB awards

> Am I the only who
> > noticed how little coverage GME gave to the base closure
> > announcement during morning programming? Could it be that
> > Sinclair didn't want to give up the inventory for the
> > biggest news story of the year?)
>
> The base closures are measures strongly supported by
> Rumsfeld and Bush. They wouldn't want to appear critical by
> bringing attention to how the closings would affect the
> locals. 'Nuff said!
>
I agree with OPW. One fact not mentioned is until a few years back 8 had a pathetically poor signal in Portland. That changed when they climbed off the mountain and built a tower near 6s. I personally that 8s news is pretty good and improving, but market habits are hard to break. As for 6s statewide coverage, I could care less what's happening in Bangor or The County. When you think of it, both places are farther from Portland than Boston.
 
Re: WCSH-how do they do it???No MAB awards

> statewide coverage, I could care less what's happening in
> Bangor or The County. When you think of it, both places are
> farther from Portland than Boston.
>
I feel the same.I don't watch 6's news for that reason.Way too much northern coverage especially when a particular newscast is simulcast in Bangor.There's so much news available all I'm interested in with the local stations newscast is local news and local weather.They're doing something right,but I think 8 has the best LOCAL news.
 
Re: WCSH-how do they do it???No MAB awards

I don't mean to suggest that everyone in Portland has a deep interest in what's happening in eastern and northern Maine, though many do. My point is this: When the big story breaks in "the other Maine," six is the only one that has the ability to get pictures quickly. And there are stories up there that are of great interest down here. The New Sweden arsenic poisonings comes to mind. LBZ was the closest station (aside from AGM). Thirteen did manage to get pictures, but only because of its agreement with WABI. Eight had no way to get the story except to send its own reporters -- an obvious move, but a delay: When the story is breaking, you need the pictures right away to win. Or take the recent ice jams in Aroostook County. Or the baby's remains found in that backyard crematorium in Milo. Six can deliver on such occasions.

It's also worth nothing that six dominates the market in the morning with its Stormcenter service. School closings -- once the domain of radio -- are now a TV staple. Six was first to jump on that bandwagon, and it helped to create an intensely loyal following.

It seems to me that the success CSH enjoys today can all be traced to Jeff Marks, the news director who first beat what is now GME back in -- hmm, '86? He really laid the foundation by bringing in live trucks, beefing up weekend newscasts and saturating the market with coverage of "the big story," no matter where it broke.

And lest we forget, they've still got Fred Nutter...
 
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