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WDEL "Saturdays With Spence"

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I tuned into a program on WDEL-AM on Saturday and heard a show that used to be called "The Consumer Hotline." It is now "Saturdays with Spence," hosted by Spencer Graves with Lindsey Devalue and produced by Gene Zielak (sp?.)

I liked the show, it seems like a refreshing approach to talk radio. Has anyone else heard this show?
 
I've not tuned in for quite some time, then it was still The Consumer Hotline, which the one time I did try to listen, for my ear, was boring. So is he topical talk, political talk, or some variation of a Rummage World Talk? I've noticed that WDEL has been promoting Spencer Graves show and Al Messitti today promoted Spencer as part of a prize package that the station was giving away for the Super Bowl (something about getting the use of a Big Screen TV, a bunch of food, and Spencer Graves being a guest at your Super Bowl party). So apparently Mr. Graves is the up and coming talker at WDEL.

Hey, you never know, maybe if Spencer's Saturday show gets popular enough, they'll put him on during the week, possibly Rick Jensen will decide to hang up his talk show and just be the PD, I believe that's his title and give that time slot to Mr. Graves.

In my opinion, it doesn't make sense to me for WDEL to run a conservative (Rush wannabe) on opposite of Rush on WILM. If what I've heard from someone a few weeks ago was correct, WILM (Rush) beats out WDEL (Jensen) by pretty significant numbers. I've always thought it would be better to air Al Messitti opposite Rush and Jensen opposite John Watson (WILM) and have even voiced that opinion to both Chris Carl and Rick Jensen, off the air in discussions I've had with them in the past on the phone. All WDEL appears to be doing now is trying to skim off some of the conservatives from Rush (WILM) when WDEL could pull in all those other talk show listeners who don't want to listen to conservative talk (be it Rush or Jensen).

Maybe Spencer Graves will some day move into Jensen's slot and go head to head with elRushbo on WILM. If he were able to have a popular enough show where WDEL did beat out WILM during Rush, that would be quite a big feather for Spencer's cap.
 
His show is very topical. For instance, when I tuned in I heard his debate for allowing the Super Bowl commercial that CBS is not airing. He posed a good reason of why people shouldn't be upset because of the nature of the ad.

With the Rick Jensen thing, who knows if Spencer Graves his the one that would take over if Jensen decided to hang em up and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that Jensen is the PD at WDEL anymore.

All I know is that it was nice to finally hear some talk that was an actual talk and not political.
 
My understanding was that Jensen was PD and Chris Carl was the News Director, but that may not be correct.
 
Chris Carl is WDEL's Director of News & Programming. Rick Jensen does his talk-show 1--4 p.m., plus a lot of community involvement. By the way, Jensen isn't all political. Not by a long shot. The editor of DELAWARE TODAY magazine comes in Wednesday to discuss weekend events. Part of Thursday is "Thirsty Thursday", where Rick and guests sample beers on-the-air, and unusual soft drinks too.
 
Yes, I have to admit, it did occur to me that possibly Spencer was using this board to promote his show. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Anyhow, I'll give him a listen some Saturday and see if his show is more interesting than Rummage World, etc.

Thirsty Thursday on Jensen's show, hmmm. Sounds as exciting as listening to a tennis match on the radio. The action's moving from left to right on your radio dial as you hear the sound of the tennis racket hitting the ball and then ball hits the court and then a second later you hear the other tennis racket hitting the ball. This would be better on FM with STEREO so the left speaker is the one player's racket sound and the right speaker is the opponents.

Back to Thirsty Thursday, You hear the sound a beer being poured into a glass. Then you hear someone sipping the beer and saying, Ah, that's a great beer. It has the distinctive taste of Pilsner beer. You can experience this great tasting beer at Irving Glick's Happy Hour Bar on Naaman's Road, etc, etc. Sounds like some promotional thing the sales team at WDEL has sold some restaurant, bar, or package store on doing to promote their product, in this case, beer.

WDEL is great at stringing the listener along, in the morning, when folks are rushing around trying to get ready for work, all you want to hear is the weather and traffic, but rather than do them together they string it out sandwiched with plenty of spots and filler talk. I know that's supposed to be good marketing, but all it does is force me to tune in to WILM who does do traffic and weather together. WILM's newscast may not have the glitze that WDEL's have or the better sounding voices, etc, but in the morning when time is of a premium, I can get the info I want. far faster with less nonsense, on WILM than on WDEL. It is what it is.

Having the editor of Delaware Today on as a guest on Jensen's show, could be an interesting show. The feature of Jensen's show I like, is "Weasel of the Week".
 
Delawhere said:
I don't know, Spence. Do you think you're doing a good job? ::)

Exactly - There's nothing wrong with establishing yourself, but Spence seems to take it to another level. Whether it's DEL or his gig on WSTW, it's all about HIM. Besides, Saturday mornings with the old lineup was never political. Most of it was paid programming disguised as talk. All this means is that the sales department can't sell anymore, so they're tossing someone on for cheap labor.

You're NOT a celebrity, Spence. Do your job well, and people might remember you for that.
 
The goal for my original post was to discuss a show that is in Delaware, not try to promote an individual. With that being said, all we have done is promote the show in a way that is very similar to the media in general. The more conversation about the program will ultimately promote the program.
I will be a dedicated listener to "Saturdays With Spence" because I enjoy it.

Delawhere, thanks for the compliment and no I'm not Spencer Graves.
 
Listened today for weather info. In addition to Allan telling everything that is not going on, Spence was telling us how to make the perfect snowball. Man, that is "must hear" radio.

Hopefully, I will never need to listen again. Sounded like a high school station.

On the note of Allan reading the closings. There is a state of emergency. No one except police, firefighters, emergency personnel, doctors, nurses and the National Guard are allowed on the road. You do not need to list everything that is closed. THE STATE OF DELAWARE IS CLOSED!!!!
 
You are nearly correct. The Governor declares a State of Emergency. Virtually everything closes down.
You could drive up Route 202 or down Route 13 and marvel at ALL the restaurants closed, even the fast-food establishments.

Still~ Not everything was closed. Wilmington radio stations never heard from the University of Delaware, to my knowledge, just about the last institution to ever close.

Churches - especially Catholic - hardly ever officially call-off Masses. Some did - particularly Saturday afternoon Masses. But many didn't.

You also had institutions and organizations that wanted to get out their anticipated "re-open" times.

So people DO listen for this stuff. Not to mention WDEL/WSTW has invested $ and great effort over the years promoting "SnoWatch". Although, increasingly, people may go to stations' websites for closings/cancellations.

You fail to note 'DEL offered LIVE Accu-Weather updates stretching several minutes every half hour, with the latest on the progress of the storm; snowfall-amounts; etc. Plus, updates on power outages. Plus, accounts from doctors and other essential personnel who DID have to navigate the roads.

And occasional live shots with various people, including Delaware's Governor.

You failed to mention WILM, which, during the Hawkins ownership days, would've offered extensive storm coverage. The times I tuned in, it was pretty much the updated National Weather Service forecasts, closings and cancellations, and back to Harmon Carey, or to syndicated talk (Kim Komando) later on.

Having noted the above, one must admit news/talk stations are caught in a vicious circle during severe weather and endless closings: They want to take care of listeners' needs when they tune in.

But, surely when folks - for example, Saturday morning - got what they needed from the radio, they may have rolled-over, and went back to sleep. And later in the day, surely many folks shoveled snow, returned to the living room or family room, and watched some movies via DVD or cable, with absolutely no thought of listening to the radio again, certainly not to news or talk radio.

One thing 'DEL didn't do on Saturday: "Traffic Watch" reports. After all, the Governor had imposed a State of Emergency. (Special "Traffic Watch" updates were offered Sunday.)

As for Spencer & company: It depends what you want from the radio. For some people, the levity - complete with songs with a summer theme - might have been just the right tonic, after hearing mountains of closings & cancellations. (The comparison to high-school radio was just a throw-away barb, I realize, but I can't think of a high school station that would've thought to put on some summer tunes. Then again, few high school stations would have had that kind of a music library.)

If someone wants continuous news, there's always KYW. And, of course the wall-to-wall coverage on some Philly TV, where we get to see how many different ways a reporter in the middle of a blizzard can describe the snow and its paralyzing effects on traffic.
 
Actually, not mentioning WILM was not a "failure" it was because I did not bother to listen to them. I tuned in once, heard the normal "Our Lady of Fatima..masses cancelled," etc., and switched to 1550 for ESPN Radio. When my road is covered with two feet of snow, I am not going to church or anywhere else.

Alan did a good job, as always, with the news. But when his voice started to fail, its time to say: "Are you freakin' nuts? JUST STAY HOME!!!"
 
I must say I had forgotten 1550 Elkton is ESPN these days. I guess it's superior to the Fox Sports on 1290 The Ticket. As far as 1150 vs. 1450, it's just interesting to compare and contrast.

On reading closings/cancellations ad nauseam, there's probably no more thankless announcing task. Very taxing on the voice to read all that without being able to come up for air, as doubtless some readers of this board can appreciate. Even worse on weekends, as at least on weekdays, traffic & weather - and spots - may provide needed breaks.

And looks like we'll have another round of closings/cancellations Wednesday morning. This winter has been cruel.
 
I didn't tune in to WDEL so I can't comment on yesterday's coverage, but heard a bit on WILM and they did have weather updates from the National Weather Service, local news, and closings. DX, that is essentially what WDEL did, just WILM uses the forecast from the weather bureau rather than a paid service. Same forecast other than the amounts predicted might differ (sometimes WDEL's amounts are correct, other times WILM's are). Granted WILM didn't have the live chit chat with a real forecaster as WDEL did with the accu weather person, but my experience with the live chats that Peter MacArthur (sp) has with his accuweather person during morning drive is you get little to no real info as they chat and after ward Peter ends up saying the real forecast. So it sounds, to my ear, more like a clever gimmic. I did see Gov. Markell on Fox 29 last night for their 10 or 11pm report (don't remember which it was). It was filmed earlier as it was daylight where ever the interview took place.

I agree with DX that the wall to wall coverage of showing the reporter freezing outside in Claymont DE, or Upper Darby, or along the Black Horse or is it the White Horse Pike telling you how bad it is gets old very quickly. Last night, the Channel 3 weather lady at Ocean City NJ made a snow angel live, so I'd have to say that those Philly TV personalities were trying to fill time and make some light hearted stuff on air. The idea of trying to "lighten up" the situation a bit, as Spencer Graves apparently did telling you how to make a perfect snowball and playing summer music isn't a bad idea. As DX said, that can be a balm to help folks cope a bit. I'd have probably used some sound effects of the ocean surf, sea galls and add the summer music, talking about digging your feet in the sand, and smelling the smells of salt air, sun screen, and the boardwalk fries, etc. Sort of reminding folks of those hot days at Rehoboth Beach, etc. A radio escape that might take their minds off of the blizzard that is roaring outside and get them thinking about something more pleasant for a few moments. I'd say Spencer had the right idea.

Essentially all I want to know is how much snow will the Wilmington area get (since I live there) and when will the snow stop falling, and if my place or my wife's place of employment are closed (so I won't have to go out in the weather to get to work or to take her to work). Of course Philly TV offers none of that sort of coverage for Wilmington, so that's where both WDEL and WILM become very important.

My wife had WJBR-FM on yesterday morning and even they offered local news/weather/closings coverage. Did any of the other Wilmington area FM's like WSTW, WXCY (Havre de Grace), WJKS, or Dover's WDSD offer info for the Wilmington area?

One thing about WDEL's accuweather forecasts that seem suspiciously like the forecast is intended for a Philly radio station rather than a Wilmington radio station, is the pre-recorded accuweather person, be it Heather Zare (sp), or the others always say "the city", never Wilmington. Areas south and west of the city will see more areas of snow, etc. Sounds like a Philly forecast from Philly TV that I heard so much during the past few days. My guess is if I tuned into a Philly radio station that has accuweather, I'd hear the exact same forecast as what I hear on WDEL.

As I learned back during my days at WILM with "Metro Weather" ( I wish WDEL or WILM had metroweather) was they did seem to know that even though Wilmington is only about 25 miles south of Philly, quite often our weather, especially snow amounts, will differ from Philly (possibly due to the C & D canal, etc) who knows, or we'd get rain and Philly would get snow, or Philly would get rain and we'd get snow, etc, but it is different and should be noted. We aren't Philly or a Philly suburb and oddly enough our weather quite often is different than Philly's.

That's one thing that amazes me, places like Christiana Mall and Concord Mall and many other businesses and companies will stay open until the Governor says that only emergency personnel are allowed on the roads. Then those poor employees have to try to get home when the roads are truly dangerous. There is nothing of importance at the malls. They should be required to close after x amount of inches of snow falls so that all those employees aren't forced to be at the mall so some smuck can go buy a latte or a dress. However, that sort of bill would never get passed in the Legislature.
 
To Mike from Delaware,

Some quick points, because - believe it or not - I think it's time to watch some movies on DVD, rather than chat about radio endlessly!

You do seem to brush off Accu Weather Q & A with Peter MacArthur and Mellany Armstrong rather dismissively; granted, it is a matter of taste.

Hey, when pre-Clear Channel WILM did live Q & A with Metro Weather's Pat Pagano, then too, you got some personality mixed in with the hard forecasting... it's part of morning-drive radio!

But this weekend, the Accu-Weather exchanges averaged three minutes, even more, and were packed with descriptions of the progress of the storm which were not available on regular National Weather forecasts. Plus, you got snowfall amounts from all over... WDEL was even measuring the snowfall amounts outside its studios. I promise you the depth of the weather coverage was substantially different. This is the price a station pays when it drops a private meteorological service.

And Accu Weather does tailor its forecasts for Wilmington. But guess what? The western suburbs of Philly, and points northwest of Wilmington can have awfully similar characteristics.

Still... Pat Pagano in the days of old was probably more willing to develop Wilmington-centric forecasts from his "gut", even if they went against computer models, than any weather service of today.

WSTW, sharing WDEL's "SnoWatch", also gave you the closings/cancellations, but devoid of the secondary stuff like churches/synagogues.

As for the malls, hey, they will squeeze every dollar they possibly can, and will only close kicking and screaming.
 
I remember the Pat Pagano days at WILM, and his chit chat usually seemed to go into more detail about what was happening with the weather than what I hear with Peter and Mellany and their conversation with accu weather. For my ear, Pagano's chatter felt like time well spent, where as the chatter with accuweather just fills time. But as they say, you say to -ma-to and I say tom-a-to. To each his own.

I remember that Pagano's batting average for getting the forecast correct was very high vs what was forecasted on the other radio/TV stations. It was something all of us at WILM were proud of. It was a forecast you could really count on, with out the hype, etc.

My guess is accuweather is a less expensive service than Metro Weather so can understand why WILM's new owners CC and WDEL don't use it, but I sure do miss it.
 
After getting my first radio gig in the spring of 1968, I finally left the biz in early 2001. A 30+ year run ain't all that bad! (And I am not 60 yet). I still have some tapes of those days, including my days on WDEL and the occassional show on WSTW.

So Spence, when I comment on your show, I have "been there and done that."
 
Spencer, I too have almost 30 years in radio, except that is working weekends part time. I worked on Armed Forces Radio in Alaska during the Viet Nam War, then at WBBX 1380 Portsmouth, NH, 1260 WNRK (when Al Campanion (sp) owned it, 101.7 WNNN-FM Salem NJ, 1380 WAMS (Oldies), and 1450 WILM Newsradio where besides being an anchor, reporter, I also hosted NewsTalk PM - The Saturday Night Edition for 3 years.

I realize the full timers usually don't take part timers very seriously or as being radio professionals, but even as a weekend part timer I managed to learn a few things as I worked with some great radio people over the years: Kevin Fennessey, Scott Graham, Bob Charger, Todd Halliday all working at WAMS, Frank Gerace (WNNN-FM), Allan Loudell, Mark Fowser, John Watson, John Lewis, Sharon Middleman (who's now at CBS radio) and and a whole bunch of other great folks at WILM.

I guess bottom line is I wish you well with your Saturday talk show. I'll give a listen some time. Best of luck with it. If you ever need a fill in host some week for vacation, etc, Allan Loudell has my home phone number, I'd love to fill in for you some time.
 
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