WDEL says no to ABC Radio demand and drops Hannity for local talk/news

[evnlee]

Sounds like you saying that while it's OK to call someone "left wing" on this board, but not OK to call someone "right wing?" Does this mean that when someone throws a political label at me, you will post saying they are losing the argument?

No, Fred, I'm saying ( twice now ) that using the departed Walt Disney as 'proof' of ABC Radio's 'dubious' business practices, or political motives,when you have no factual evidence of his political leanings ( only hearsay,or speculation ), seems to me like a personal attack.

Whether or not Phil Boyce, ABC Radio, or Mark Levin conspired to force affiliates to carry Levin's show has no bearing on Walt Disney's politics. It's a bit of a stretch, actually.

 

[fred flintstone]

No, Fred, I'm saying ( twice now ) that using the departed Walt Disney as 'proof' of ABC Radio's 'dubious' business practices, or political motives,when you have no factual evidence of his political leanings ( only hearsay,or speculation ), seems to me like a personal attack.

Whether or not Phil Boyce, ABC Radio, or Mark Levin conspired to force affiliates to carry Levin's show has no bearing on Walt Disney's politics. It's a bit of a stretch, actually.

And I am saying those a distinct issues.
One is ABC Radio's dealings with WDEL.
The other is Disney's corporate culture, which traces back to the company founder.
I said ABC Radio's penchant for right-wing programming to the exclusion of programming representing other viewpoints reflects Disney's corporate culture.

 

[Scott in DE]

Re: Last Word on WDEL

Fred, so what? ??? Please explain exactly what you object to here? I just don't see anything wrong. : Help me learn, Fred!

OK. You don't see anything wrong. You have your standards. I have mine reasonable people may differ.
No one said anything illegal happened here (not even Elliot Spitzer).

I do find it interesting that Phil Boyce was concerned about this topic being discussed here. I nothing wrong has happened, why does he feel the need to defend himself on a board he had never heard of before.

I am puzzled that some Mark Levin fans would be so about upset about this topic being discussed here. He is air-talent. Affiliation sales deals are not something in which he is involved.

When Rush was a fairly new phenomenon and starting to take off, some bigger-fish talk stations tried to get the program away from the stations that had originally taken the show in individual markets. Rush's charter affiliates, who had invested their resources into helping develop and promote what had been an untried concept, were understandably concerned. Rush publicly said they would remain loyal to their existing, original affiliates and not take away the show. Unfortunately (IMHO) that changed after Jacor took over the show.

This issue is not just about ABC Radio-Levin and WDEL. WTDY lost two liberal talk shows they had helped develop and promote in the Madison, Wisconsin market when the syndicator gave them to a larger competitor. The station now says it won't consider syndicated programming. (For those who keep wanting to make all this about Levin's politics, please note these shows were liberal talk shows.)
Now WDEL has had a similar experience. I wonder how this will affect their willingness to consider syndicated programming in the future.
Both WDEL and WTDY are locally owned and compete with major group owners (like Clear Channel).
Both have gone to local-live programming (which I consider a good thing - that's my bias).

If you've been living in an apartment for several years and your landlord tells you to leave this month (not even at the end of your lease - this month) because he wants the apartment for his nephew or sister, how would you feel? Would you want to rent from this person again? Now, this is legal in many states. Right or wrong is a personal judgment. But I doubt you would be very happy about this and I doubt you would have much regard for your soon-to-be-ex landlord.
But there's not much you as a renter - or a locally-owned station in medium market - can do in situations like this.

I see this an issue of integrity, and of how I want those with whom I do business to conduct themselves.
But I can understand that you may look at this differently.

Fred, most of this is unintelligible gobblygook! Your landlord analogy was interesting, though. Are you suggesting ABC Radio Networks broke their contract with WDEL?

You are correct to assume that I came here because I caught wind that Mark’s show was being badmouthed here. What is driving YOUR interest in this topic? You claim it is not your obvious preference for liberal, excuse me, progressive talk shows. Is it because you prefer local talk shows? Really? Why do you care since WDEL is not local to you? Well, it IS local for me and the local talk shows on that station are terrible! (IMHO). So, tell me the truth, why do you really care about where the Hannity or Levin shows are broadcast? Don’t you like WILM? That is a fine station. Why do you want to deny them the privilege to broadcast those shows?

 

[NewsNow]

Phil, I have more experience than Johnny, I even worked for ABC in DC for a short time. Where do I send the tape?

Just kidding, I don't care for NYC as a home. Nice place to visit. Hire Johnny.

One thing Mr. Boyce wrote that I find disheartening:

Unfortunately, small market radio has stopped grooming new talent. I have no problem with using somebody who has small market experience if they have talent...but I also give people a chance who have never worked in radio because there is no Farm System anymore. I have to develop my OWN talent. Unlike some PD's I have a track record of doing it. You should be thanking me for giving people a chance who have never worked in radio, but wake up everyday with a talk show inside that is screaming to get out.

The little 1kw station I developed my talent on no longer grooms talent. Why? Because they now air Rush, Hannity, Levin, Ingraham et al. I find it amazing that KABC gave such a great break to Art Bell by running his show early on. Surely there are things to talk about in L.A. late at night? I used to have jammed phones in Tinyburg USA.

Then you look at a station like WICC in Bridgeport, CT. All local, and regularly top 5. For years they were #1. With a 1kw signal daytime, and a 500w singal nighttime. Or WGN. Small market, big market.

 

[fred flintstone]

Scott in DE:
My interest is driven because the discussion continues, because you and others reply to what I have posted and because you and others request a reply (as you did in your most recent post).

If my post is "unintelligible" you can always ask me to explain what's not clear to you. Instead, you shift gears and attack my motives (or what you presume to be my motives).

I repeat, nobody said anything about Mark Levin's Show. This was about the company station sales office.

I also notice that those of you came over from a Levin fan site, chose to ignore the part of the discussion dealing with WTDY, Madison and The Ed Schultz Show. I also notice that Big Ed's fans are not here claiming he was attacked. That may be a key difference between the type of people who listen to right-wing talk radio and progressive talk radio.

Actually, WDEL is local to me. What makes you think it is not? WTDY, however, is not local to me.

What drove my interest originally? I thought I had made that clear in my earlier post, even if it does not fit what you expect to hear or want to hear. I think ABC Radio dealt shabbily with this station (and Jones Radio dealt shabbily with the station in Madison). I think it's another example of the lack of integrity and ethics in radio. I also find it interesting that "conservatives" who keep talking about values, seem so little concerned with the two I just mentioned, especially in the context of business or government.

Yes, I do care about local-live radio. You apparently are not a radio person, so I wouldn't expect you to understand. Your interest here appears to be political. But radio people care about local-live radio and local-live personalities in those few places that still have them.

If you are really interested, I invite you to discuss the merits of WILM (and WDEL) on the Delaware Board. Both stations are mentioned frequently and you can see a good deal that has already been posted.

 

[ajhenderson]

Re: RE:WDEL says no to ABC Radio demand and drops Hannity for local talk/news

If Phil is still around, I would say (in response to my comments about Levin being "unlistenable") that while I surely admire your skills as a programmer and an industry leader, certainly your statement that Levin's success is a testament to his talent is not necessarily true. While I can understand that others may have different taste than I, there are folks that only have one or two options of conservative talk in their market and want to listen to conservative talk. Whoever's on wins by default. Also, there is a rule that people keep forgetting - that on big stations, cume belongs largely to the station, not to the host. If Mark Levin went to FreeFM, he'd lose listeners. WABC would lose very few listeners, short of you putting on something absolutely atrocious. Wasn't it a Musicradio 77 jocks who coined the phrase, "The station is the star"?

 

[fred flintstone]

Phil, I have more experience than Johnny, I even worked for ABC in DC for a short time. Where do I send the tape?

Just kidding, I don't care for NYC as a home. Nice place to visit. Hire Johnny.

One thing Mr. Boyce wrote that I find disheartening:

Unfortunately, small market radio has stopped grooming new talent. I have no problem with using somebody who has small market experience if they have talent...but I also give people a chance who have never worked in radio because there is no Farm System anymore. I have to develop my OWN talent. Unlike some PD's I have a track record of doing it. You should be thanking me for giving people a chance who have never worked in radio, but wake up everyday with a talk show inside that is screaming to get out.

The little 1kw station I developed my talent on no longer grooms talent. Why? Because they now air Rush, Hannity, Levin, Ingraham et al. I find it amazing that KABC gave such a great break to Art Bell by running his show early on. Surely there are things to talk about in L.A. late at night? I used to have jammed phones in Tinyburg USA.

Then you look at a station like WICC in Bridgeport, CT. All local, and regularly top 5. For years they were #1. With a 1kw signal daytime, and a 500w singal nighttime. Or WGN. Small market, big market.

One has to ask why someone like Boyce seemingly prefers to hire people without experience?
And why he thinks people who do work in radio - who went to school to study it, who worked as part-timers and interns, worked long hours in small markets for lousy pay - should "thank" him for "giving a chance" to people who never bothered with any of that?

Hey, I think I'd make a great lawyer. Perry Mason is inside me screaming to get out. I wonder how Boyce and Levin feel about letting me go down to the courthouse and start litigating?

I can (almost) see the logic of hiring somebody with name recognition like Whoopi or Al Franken.
But who'd ever heard of Levin?

As you point out, there's no farm system because companies like ABC have destroyed it.
But there still are a few places doing local programming and giving people with talent the chance to hone it.
But Boyce seemingly would rather take lumps of clay and mold them.

Maybe this is just a lack of respect for on-air talent.
First, he thinks it's about innate talent and that knowledge, experience and learned skill are not required.
Second, he thinks anybody can do it (even if they've shown no inclination toward a radio career). Looks like he prefers dabblers and dilatants to committed professionals.
Third, if they don't cut it he can always get somebody else without experience and a talk show in their head. There is always more where they came from and the audience won't care any way.

 

[Johnny Morgan]

And Joyner works for Radio One, not ABC Radio.

But, Joyner (whose show leans talk more than it does anything else) is syndicated by ABC Radio Networks, which is what yoursaid ("and syndicates no progressive hosts").

Just saying. And interrupting the flow.

 

[fred flintstone]

And Joyner works for Radio One, not ABC Radio.

But, Joyner (whose show leans talk more than it does anything else) is syndicated by ABC Radio Networks, which is what yoursaid ("and syndicates no progressive hosts").

Just saying. And interrupting the flow.

No. Reach Media syndicates Joyner's show.
Reach Media is owned by Radio One.
I understand they rent satellite time from ABC.
ABC Radio does not produce or sell the show.
It is not listed on their website.
ABC also rents satellite time to arch-rival WOR.
Just as Jones rents satellite time to rival AAR.

 

[NewsNow]

Tom Joyner is not really a progressive talk show host. He's an urban host. He's done bits slamming homosexuality over the years, and other lifestyle things.

Plus, he's probably thrown more black radio hosts into the unemployment line than any other person.

 

[Scott in DE]

Scott in DE:
My interest is driven because the discussion continues, because you and others reply to what I have posted and because you and others request a reply (as you did in your most recent post).

If my post is "unintelligible" you can always ask me to explain what's not clear to you. Instead, you shift gears and attack my motives (or what you presume to be my motives).

I repeat, nobody said anything about Mark Levin's Show. This was about the company station sales office.

I also notice that those of you came over from a Levin fan site, chose to ignore the part of the discussion dealing with WTDY, Madison and The Ed Schultz Show. I also notice that Big Ed's fans are not here claiming he was attacked. That may be a key difference between the type of people who listen to right-wing talk radio and progressive talk radio.

Actually, WDEL is local to me. What makes you think it is not? WTDY, however, is not local to me.

What drove my interest originally? I thought I had made that clear in my earlier post, even if it does not fit what you expect to hear or want to hear. I think ABC Radio dealt shabbily with this station (and Jones Radio dealt shabbily with the station in Madison). I think it's another example of the lack of integrity and ethics in radio. I also find it interesting that "conservatives" who keep talking about values, seem so little concerned with the two I just mentioned, especially in the context of business or government.

Yes, I do care about local-live radio. You apparently are not a radio person, so I wouldn't expect you to understand. Your interest here appears to be political. But radio people care about local-live radio and local-live personalities in those few places that still have them.

If you are really interested, I invite you to discuss the merits of WILM (and WDEL) on the Delaware Board. Both stations are mentioned frequently and you can see a good deal that has already been posted.

I didn't attack your motives, I questioned them. There’s a difference. And, go back and re-read your own post and tell me if YOU understand it!

You keep saying, "ABC Radio dealt shabbily" with WDEL, but what you described is NOT dealing shabbily! Am I missing something? Did ABC Radio fulfill their contract with WDEL? Yes or no? It is not shabby dealing to renegotiate a new contract after honoring a previous one. Am I wrong? Hmmmm?

I am not a radio insider, but I have been a talk radio listener for 20 years! I think that makes me qualified to know a good show from a bad one. I will go to the Delaware section and you can tell me there which of these local shows you consider to be good. I can’t wait!

 

[Cromwell]

[EDIT]

Yes, I listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin. Rush, thanks to Tom Snyder's hate-speech against him in 1990, Sean, because he came onto a local station, and Mark Levin, The Great One because Sean had him on his program and kept talking about him.

I am extremely happy to listen to all three, plus others, and that is my preference in talk radio.

I do not believe that ABC Radio has to resort to extortion in order to air Mark Levin.

[EDIT]


[ EDIT- http://www.radio-info.com/contact_us.php ]

 

[fred flintstone]

I didn't attack your motives, I questioned them. There’s a difference. And, go back and re-read your own post and tell me if YOU understand it!

You keep saying, "ABC Radio dealt shabbily" with WDEL, but what you described is NOT dealing shabbily! Am I missing something? Did ABC Radio fulfill their contract with WDEL? Yes or no? It is not shabby dealing to renegotiate a new contract after honoring a previous one. Am I wrong? Hmmmm?

I am not a radio insider, but I have been a talk radio listener for 20 years! I think that makes me qualified to know a good show from a bad one. I will go to the Delaware section and you can tell me there which of these local shows you consider to be good. I can’t wait!

I re-read the post. I caught some typos (for which I apologize). I'd agree it might have an "insider" perspective and assumed an insider's level of interest and familiarity with off-mic aspects of the radio biz. This really is an off-mic business issue and not the kind of thing that would normally interest people in the audience. And explaining the nuts and bolts of radio, especially the business side, is not easy. I wish I knew a better way to talk about it.

I have not gotten into whether Levin does a good show. You like it. It's not my cup of tea. We might as well debate whether vanilla or chocolate is the better flavor of ice cream. I hesitate to get into assessments of hosts and programs on this board because so often people make that about political agreement or disagreement and don't seem to want to discuss a radio show as just a radio show.

I think we've both (all) stated our views on how ABC Radio dealt with WDEL. My "bias" here is toward the Golden Rule: I wouldn't like it if I were in their shoes.

I look forward to "seeing" you over on the Delaware Board. We do need to liven things up a bit more over there.

 

[Scott in DE]

I re-read the post. I caught some typos (for which I apologize). I'd agree it might have an "insider" perspective and assumed an insider's level of interest and familiarity with off-mic aspects of the radio biz. This really is an off-mic business issue and not the kind of thing that would normally interest people in the audience. And explaining the nuts and bolts of radio, especially the business side, is not easy. I wish I knew a better way to talk about it.

I have not gotten into whether Levin does a good show. You like it. It's not my cup of tea. We might as well debate whether vanilla or chocolate is the better flavor of ice cream. I hesitate to get into assessments of hosts and programs on this board because so often people make that about political agreement or disagreement and don't seem to want to discuss a radio show as just a radio show.

I think we've both (all) stated our views on how ABC Radio dealt with WDEL. My "bias" here is toward the Golden Rule: I wouldn't like it if I were in their shoes.

I look forward to "seeing" you over on the Delaware Board. We do need to liven things up a bit more over there.

OK. Fair enough!

 

[tolduso]

Is ABC coming up with a similar deal with Hannity and Levin to what Premeire has with Rush and Dr. Dean Edell in which the stations who want to run Rush must also carry 5 hours of Dr Dean a week?

 

[Scott in DE]

Is ABC coming up with a similar deal with Hannity and Levin to what Premeire has with Rush and Dr. Dean Edell in which the stations who want to run Rush must also carry 5 hours of Dr Dean a week?

From what I heard from Phil Boyce, I'd say the answer is no.

 

[fred flintstone]

In all fairness, the name of the game is Let's Make A Deal.
Wilmington had two stations which wanted Hannity.
ABC Radio had leverage to ask for a better deal (i.e., clear two more hours daily).
It was a classic bidding war and a seller's market.
It doesn't always happen that way.
Some stations carry Rush but not Edell.
Some carry Hannity but not Levin.
If there is not a second strong competitive talk station, then it's a buyer's market.
If a company wants their show cleared in a market with one-talker, they don't have the same kind of leverage and the station has more ability to set its own deal.

 

[NewsNow]

Seeing as how Mr. Boyce hasn't offered a deal for me, AND I'M NUMBER ONE IN MY MID MARKET TIME SLOT YOU [EDIT]... Uh, I mean I'm willing to go along to get along!

When can I start? I'm pretty damn good, better than Hannity by a long shot. I beat his [EDIT] like a red butt monkey.

Look at my emoticons! ;D :'( :-* :-\ :-X :-[ :

Who else can emote like that? I forgot, I hate NYC. I expect at leat a mill to establish myself to the degenerate lifestyle there.



[profanity]

 

[Phil Boyce]

Still waiting for Secret Squirrel to crawl back out of his hole. Maybe his new name is Secret Road Kill.

Fred says:

In all fairness, the name of the game is Let's Make A Deal.
Wilmington had two stations which wanted Hannity.
ABC Radio had leverage to ask for a better deal (i.e., clear two more hours daily).
It was a classic bidding war and a seller's market.
It doesn't always happen that way.
Some stations carry Rush but not Edell.
Some carry Hannity but not Levin.
If there is not a second strong competitive talk station, then it's a buyer's market.
If a company wants their show cleared in a market with one-talker, they don't have the same kind of leverage and the station has more ability to set its own deal.

Wow, just about the time I give up on this board, and am convinced it is filled with a bunch of losers who really have no desire to understand how this business works, Fred writes the above which puts it in a nut shell. It is let's make a deal...and we always try to be fair. We always try to offer the existing station a chance to make a deal and keep Hannity. Keep in mind I only have talked about 3 stations out of 91 where we have this KIND of situation. All of them were unique. WDEL had extenuating circumstances, but we still offered them a chance to keep Hannity. They chose not to...and as Fred posted above, "it was a classic bidding war and a sellers market." Not all markets are like that. In this case Wilmington WAS like that and we made a tough decision.


evnlee says:

I am glad, for one, that someone from the corporations that seem to be the target of some of these unfounded rumors has finally stepped in here and straightened these few misguided souls out.

Hey thanks. I am beginning to get some faith that there could be hope yet on this message board.


Slant says:

So just to be clear Mr. Boyce, ABC RADIO does not demand an additional two hours of ABC programming OR equiv. inventory cleared to some if not all of the Hannity affiliates?

And one more thing for everyone else, does Premier still do the same thing with Rush and Dean Edell? I worked at a Major Market station that was forced to take Dean or run his spots if the show wasn't aired in order to keep Rush.

Slant...let me say it for you again but a little s-l-o-w-e-r. NO WE DON'T.


KJCB says:

If Phil is still around, I would say (in response to my comments about Levin being "unlistenable") that while I surely admire your skills as a programmer and an industry leader, certainly your statement that Levin's success is a testament to his talent is not necessarily true. While I can understand that others may have different taste than I, there are folks that only have one or two options of conservative talk in their market and want to listen to conservative talk. Whoever's on wins by default. Also, there is a rule that people keep forgetting - that on big stations, cume belongs largely to the station, not to the host. If Mark Levin went to FreeFM, he'd lose listeners. WABC would lose very few listeners, short of you putting on something absolutely atrocious. Wasn't it a Musicradio 77 jocks who coined the phrase, "The station is the star"?

One or two options of conservative talk? Try New York City where Mark goes Head to Head with Savage and beat him Fall of 06 in every demo, and is the #1 show on the AM band against News, Talks and Sports stations. As I tried to say before but you must have missed it. There are 47 radio stations in New York City. On the AM band there are two damn good all-news stations, another talk station with Savage, two damn good sports stations, an Air America outlet...and NPR. Mark beat them ALL in the last book. So for you to say he is unlistenable is simply ludicrous. Admit it...you never liked Levin and kept predicting he would fail. Now that he has succeeded beyond YOUR limited expectation, you have to find some OTHER reason for his success. It can't be that he does a good show, because you already ruled him unlistenable. Let me say it to you clearly....you do not know what you are talking about.

Fred Flintstone:

One has to ask why someone like Boyce seemingly prefers to hire people without experience?
And why he thinks people who do work in radio - who went to school to study it, who worked as part-timers and interns, worked long hours in small markets for lousy pay - should "thank" him for "giving a chance" to people who never bothered with any of that?

Fred, just when I thought you were sounding intelligent you start to drift into moments of unconcsiousness. Use the quote box and quote me where I said I prefered to hire people without experience. Did I say that? Go ahead...find the quote and stick it in right here in this box below. I will leave a nice hole for ya:

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Fred rambles on:

As you point out, there's no farm system because companies like ABC have destroyed it.
But there still are a few places doing local programming and giving people with talent the chance to hone it.
But Boyce seemingly would rather take lumps of clay and mold them.

Companies like ABC destroyed the farm system? Come on dude, smell the coffee. ABC created our OWN farm systrem...and built our OWN talent. Just because we found some guys that developed into superstars is no reason to accuse ABC of destroying the farm system. It is not my fault that local stations want MY talent over their own. Am I to run into traffic and get myself killed over this? I found these hosts by building my OWN farm team. Hannity - Levin - Drudge - Curtis and Kuby - Andrew Wilkow (now doing great radio on Sirius) I found ALL of these guys. If I can do it, why can't somebody else? Do I have to find ALL the talent in talk radio? Don't get me wrong, there are other PD's out there doing a great job developing talent as well...but don't blame ME because small market radio doesn't want to give local hosts a chance anymore. I am a businessman here, running a very successful business. Now you want to blame ME for being too successful. Do you blame MacDonalds for running off the local hamburger joint? Oh wait...you probably do!


Tolduso says:

Is ABC coming up with a similar deal with Hannity and Levin to what Premeire has with Rush and Dr. Dean Edell in which the stations who want to run Rush must also carry 5 hours of Dr Dean a week?

Ok one more time....and s - l - o - w - e - r. NO...we are NOT.

Phil Boyce
VP of News/Talk Programming
ABC Radio
WABC Radio
The Sean Hannity Show
The Mark Levin Show

 

[Holland Cooke]

Tuning-back-in...

'JUST off the plane from Las Vegas, where I've been at the massive, mind-boggling Consumer Electronics Show.
See -- and HEAR -- my notes, Friday, at www.HollandCooke.com

While I've been largely offline for most-of-a-week, this whole controversy has gone from RED- to WHITE-hot.
Yikes.

In admittedly-consultant fashion, two observations:

1. Like too much of Talk radio, there's more heat than light here.
This has all been talked-to-death.
Having myself suffered the flak Phil Boyce now chooses to endure here, I sympathize.

Forums like this are at-their-best when they're a thoughtful dialogue. Too often, the conversation is at-its-worst, when it's silly adolescent BS, from anonymous snipers' consequence free quips.

BE CLEAR: When I say "adolescent," I am NOT -- repeat, NOT --referring to posters' demographic, but rather the (lack of) quality of some-of-what's-posted. Phil and I and about a hundred other men and women who do what-Phil-and-I-do suffer because so few young people are now choosing radio as a career path. Radio's farm team has been depleted by automation/consolidation/syndication/Clear Channelization.

Recently, the owner of radio-info.com asked my permission to quote me in promotional material. I had told her that radio-info.com can be to-radio's-NEXT-generation what the now-lonely campus radio station was to we Baby Boomers. IT CAN...but it's up to you...

2. Phil Boyce is a mensch.
(Did I spell that right? Radio -- especially radio SALES -- is full of Catholics tossing-out Yiddish idioms.)

Up above, he alluded to he-and-I interacting recently, and I can assure you that the dialogue was, shall we say, "candid."

YOU TOO NOW HAVE HIS EAR.
Milk it.

I have always found him approachable and genuinely enthused about our craft.
Sure, he came to this conversation under fire.
But he's HERE now.

Instead of calling him names, ASK HIM QUESTIONS.
Engage him!

Sure, there are plenty of jokers in the deck here.
(http://HollandCooke.com/AnonymousFredUNMASKED.html)

But smart, successful radio "suits" have one thing in common: They LISTEN well.
Phil SHOWED UP here.
He's LISTENING.

You have access to one of the more respected programmers in all of radio.
Up above, he said "Send me a tape!"

Milk it.

HC
www.HollandCooke.com

PS: And about Sean Hannity, who, after all, was at-the-genesis of this thread: I disagree with dang-near EVERYTHING Sean preaches-out on-air. But he has been no-less than totally helpful and supportive, a real friend whenever I've asked him to help-out with something one of my Hannity-affiliated client stations is up to.