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WDEL says no to ABC Radio demand and drops Hannity for local talk/news

Thanks for your point of view. Sure I could understand the one/two punch idea for the station, but in terms of a network, Rush is on Premere and Hannity is on ABC. However, maybe ABC is smart as they are getting that same one/two punch from Limbaugh's show for their show which already has the conservative type listeners tuned in. Makes sense. So in the case of WDEL and WILM with Limbaugh now being being back again at WILM, ABC wanting to take advantage of that one/two punch has decided to move Hannity from WDEL to WILM rather than having to try to lure the conservative listeners back to WDEL for Hannity. That actually does make sense, to me.

I agree with your point about Limbaugh seeming to try to hijack listeners to the diddocam. The other oddity is with Hannity. He constantly promotes his FOX television show while on ABC radio. I'm surprised that ABC wouldn't have a problem with that. Does Hannity offer the same amount of plugs for his ABC radio show while on Fox TV at night?

Again, thanks for your insight.
 
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Let's get back to discussing the topic...radio.
 
WDEL has a 5k signal and covers two thirds of Delaware, where as WILM has a 1K signal and only covers to Smyrna just a bit into Kent County a bit more than then 1/3 of the state. Why would ABC prefer WILM over WDEL?
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We would have preferred to stay on WDEL. If they could have found a spot for Mark we would have. But WILM’s signal does cover the metro area quite well…so listeners in Wilmingtons metro have a fine chance of hearing us on the new station. I don’t always look at signal strength. I look at the coverage map and make sure the signal covers the metro.


People like you and Phil have to convince people you know something in order to make a living.
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I can’t speak for Holland because he is a consultant. But I don’t need to convince anybody. I have a track record of mostly success. I have had some failures as well. Fortunately I work for a company that understands you have to take risks, and you don’t always win.


The truth is radio is a crap shoot. Success or failure is determined by things nobody can predict or control. But you guys can't admit that.
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Not true. Radio is not a crap shoot, because sound programming practices will work in most situations. This is not rocket science. I will admit that sometimes it takes a little luck to succeed. Sean Hannity went noational on 9/10…and we all know what happened on 9/11. But that is not the only reason for his success. Sean does a great show…but the events of 9/11 made his show more important and relevant to people everyday. So yes, that helps.



Then you'd have to work for a living. And you know what I post is true, so you have to resort to cheap shots and name calling.
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Fred…some of what you post is true, and some is true [*EDIT]. I have not been here long, but I almost think you are [**EDIT-inflammatory].
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[*EDIT-profanity]
[**EDIT-inflammatory]
 
"Experts agree..."

Phil Boyce said:
Fred…some of what you post is true, and some is true [*EDIT]. I have not been here long, but I almost think you are [**EDIT]


[*EDIT-profanity]
[**EDIT-inflammatory]
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Philipe,

Be careful...Fred will report you.
He'll start reciting something about "TOS..."
 
Phil Boyce said:
Fred…some of what you post is true, and some is true [*EDIT]. I have not been here long, but I almost think you are [**EDIT-inflammatory]

[*EDIT-profanity]
[**EDIT-inflammatory]
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I guess that makes me human. I never said I was the Pope.
Let he who is infallible among us cast the first stone.
 
Phil, you are correct. WILM's daytime signal covers the metro area just fine. Unfortunately, the nighttime signal doesn't do as well for your late night edition of Mark Levin. However, it still counts as a new market, albeit a limited exposure to that new market.

I'm assuming that adding Wilmington to Levin's affiliate line up allows a higher charge for spots as now there is another 500,000+ potential listeners available to hear those spots. Another plus with WILM over WDEL is your programs won't be pre-empted for Phillies baseball or other sports programming as WDEL does do a lot of sporting events and the only sports event covered by WILM is the annual Blue and Gold game, which is on Saturday's, so it wouldn't be an issue for your programs at all.

So it may be that the less powerful signal actually could work out better in the long run. Thanks for your reply.
 
Over at the Hannity board, we have a filter bypass that xx´s out words not appropriate. I expected that would work here, so thanks for taking me out. As for the last name, it was not an obscenity at all, just an observation. What I meant was that there seems to be two Fred´s posting here....the one that makes perfect sense, and the one that says stuff even he could not possibly believe. What what do I know, I am still new here.

Mike...thanks for pointing that out and allowing me to explain it. It should be an interesting battle. Most stations would kill for a lineup of Rush ' Sean ' Savage ' Levin. Let´s give it a few books and see what happens. Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned talk battle....is there?

pb
 
Phil Boyce said:
Over at the Hannity board, we have a filter bypass that xx´s out words not appropriate. I expected that would work here, so thanks for taking me out. As for the last name, it was not an obscenity at all, just an observation. What I meant was that there seems to be two Fred´s posting here....the one that makes perfect sense, and the one that says stuff even he could not possibly believe. What what do I know, I am still new here.

Mike...thanks for pointing that out and allowing me to explain it. It should be an interesting battle. Most stations would kill for a lineup of Rush ' Sean ' Savage ' Levin. Let´s give it a few books and see what happens. Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned talk battle....is there?

pb
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Pb,
Filters can be fine. They also can be a problem. There's another radio board where I saw a post mentioning [edit] Nixon the other day. I understand Beaver College had to change their name because a lot of school filters would not let potential applicants view their website.

One of us Freds thanks you.
Another reminds you that you are at the top of the mountain in your field. Things can look very different further down or from the outside. He says remember the three blind men and the elephant.
Yet another likes to post things just to get a discussion going. He says that you, as a talk radio producer, should appreciate that. And he enjoys your participation here.
Still another has changed his opinions so often that he no longer takes opinions seriously. He's studied some philosophy, history, social psychology and created his own paradigm. He is neither liberal nor conservative and his views don't fit the standard one-size-fits-half-the-population categories.

Live long and prosper.
 
Phil, as you know, competition is what makes for better products, both in industry and in broadcasting; so as a listener I say bring on an old fashioned talk battle. WDEL and WILM have been cross town rivals for years (market #75 Wilmington having two very active news/talk stations where market #6 Philly has only one, WPHT), it should be interesting to see how this current talk battle plays out during the next couple of Wilmington books.

MFD
 
Fred...nice to know I got the good Fred this time. I was thinking there were two of you inside, but looks like there are more like 4 or 5. Like a box of chocolates, you never know which one you will get.

I understand there are a lot of opinions expressed here that represent how people feel about the industry or the News-Talk format. I don´t claim to know much about other things, but this format is my area of expertise. I have seen people post things here and say things that are so far off base I wonder how an intelligent human being could write it down. When I have tried to educate people on how this really works over here at Talk Central, I find people covering their ears. I guess I am accidentally shattering the views of some people who thought they had it all figured out. I don´t mean to do that. Anybody here can be wrong as long as they want to be wrong. But if you really want to be educated how this works, I am happy to try and help.

I have little to gain from coming here and posting, except to correct misunderstandings about how this all works. Hopefully I will succeed in doing that, but if not, life goes on.

pb
 
Phil Boyce said:
Fred...nice to know I got the good Fred this time. I was thinking there were two of you inside, but looks like there are more like 4 or 5. Like a box of chocolates, you never know which one you will get.

I understand there are a lot of opinions expressed here that represent how people feel about the industry or the News-Talk format. I don´t claim to know much about other things, but this format is my area of expertise. I have seen people post things here and say things that are so far off base I wonder how an intelligent human being could write it down. When I have tried to educate people on how this really works over here at Talk Central, I find people covering their ears. I guess I am accidentally shattering the views of some people who thought they had it all figured out. I don´t mean to do that. Anybody here can be wrong as long as they want to be wrong. But if you really want to be educated how this works, I am happy to try and help.

I have little to gain from coming here and posting, except to correct misunderstandings about how this all works. Hopefully I will succeed in doing that, but if not, life goes on.

pb
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Pb,

I know you've had a very successful track record. I don't think that means your's is the only valid viewpoint. And if people challenge what you, when I was in college and grad school, the good teachers wanted students who would challenge them - not just sit, take notes and occasionally ask "is this going to be on test?"

For me (and Socrates), wisdom comes from not knowing.

Farmers and program directors have a lot in common. Farmers have to make planting decisions based on their best guess of what each crop will be selling for a year in the future. They have to make decisions about where to plant each crop (soil conditions vary greatly) and what chemicals to use. All these factors are impacted by temperature and rainfall and the interaction of these factors with the soil and the nature of each type of crop. Farmers bet the farm (literally) based on circumstances they can not predict and can not control. They know what they are doing (in the words of one) is a "crap shoot." So is programming a radio station. Some farmers consistently have better success than others, so it's not completely luck. But there is a lot of luck involved. And nobody really knows why some things work and some don't, and things work some times and not others. Just like radio.
 
Fred says :

I know you've had a very successful track record. I don't think that means your's is the only valid viewpoint. And if people challenge what you, when I was in college and grad school, the good teachers wanted students who would challenge them - not just sit, take notes and occasionally ask "is this going to be on test?"
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On another thread, I made the mistake of mentioning WLIB's first monthly rating on the air. Baroosk ridiculded me, saying there is no such thing as monthlies, they are quarterlies. If I was a college professor, being ridiculed by a student in my class, who made such a lame ass assertion, he would be failed on the spot and sent back to remedial radio 101. It is just a sin how dumb some of the posters are on this board. I am not trying to act like a know it all, but dear God, think about what you say. I have no problem being challenged, but what is hard for me to do is debate people who have made NO attempt to understand what I am saying.

pb
 
Phil Boyce said:
On another thread, I made the mistake of mentioning WLIB's first monthly rating on the air. Baroosk ridiculded me, saying there is no such thing as monthlies, they are quarterlies. If I was a college professor, being ridiculed by a student in my class, who made such a lame ass assertion, he would be failed on the spot and sent back to remedial radio 101. It is just a sin how dumb some of the posters are on this board. I am not trying to act like a know it all, but dear God, think about what you say. I have no problem being challenged, but what is hard for me to do is debate people who have made NO attempt to understand what I am saying.

pb
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Pb. I can relate.
 
I decided to dredge this old topic back up for the benefit of Secret Squirrel (I know who you are) and Fred Flingtstone (I know who you are) and the others who found fault with ABC Radio's decision to move Sean Hannity from WDEL to WILM. This is not to gloat but to add a period to the discussion.

Sounds like both stations got what they wanted. Click on this link to see who won the first round in the ratings battle between these two excellent stations:

http://www.insideradio.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.******************

WILM has improved from a 2.3 last year and a 2.3 last fall to a 2.7 in Spring 2007
WDEL has declined from a 4.0 last year and a 3.0 last fall to a 2.6 in Spring of 2007.

Looks like they traded places.

pb
 
Phil Boyce said:
I decided to dredge this old topic back up for the benefit of Secret Squirrel (I know who you are) and Fred Flingtstone (I know who you are) and the others who found fault with ABC Radio's decision to move Sean Hannity from WDEL to WILM. This is not to gloat but to add a period to the discussion.

Sounds like both stations got what they wanted. Click on this link to see who won the first round in the ratings battle between these two excellent stations:

http://www.insideradio.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.******************

WILM has improved from a 2.3 last year and a 2.3 last fall to a 2.7 in Spring 2007
WDEL has declined from a 4.0 last year and a 3.0 last fall to a 2.6 in Spring of 2007.

Looks like they traded places.

pb
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It's a dead heat.

These are overall ratings, correct? What about a daypart breakout?
 
Raydofan says:
It's a dead heat.

These are overall ratings, correct? What about a daypart breakout?
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These are 12+ shares for the entire station. I do not have daypart or demos. To me, a dead heat is a tie, where you are unable to determine a winner. In this case, WILM scored a 2.7 to a 2.6 for WDEL. In my book, that is a win...not a tie.

Keep in mind when this all began WDEL had a 4 share and WILM had a 2.3.

PB
 
Phil,

A sincere congratulations to all your team in New York for your successes in Wilmington and elsewhere.

Rick Jensen
 
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