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WDRC's signal
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C
CTRadio
Guest
It's just another case of low power FMs being squeezed in to the dismay of DXers everywhere. That is the Greenfield 102.9 translator for WYRY 104.9. WYRY itself went on in 1987 and is licensed to Hinsdale, NH. Its main tower is next to the site of the former WRLP TV-32, which is a pretty straight shot to Greenfield but spotty up around Keene. WYRY has another low power relay in Keene at 105.5.
While apparently outside of WDRC's protected signal contour and the Hartford market, I still wonder why WYRY couldn't put the translator on 104.9 if WYRY's main signal is lacking that badly in Greenfield. On a decent radio, you could pull in several Hartford FMs as far north as the south side of Mt. Monadnock, NH before these signals sprouted up. Local market sales seems to win the day over regional DX catches.
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
While apparently outside of WDRC's protected signal contour and the Hartford market, I still wonder why WYRY couldn't put the translator on 104.9 if WYRY's main signal is lacking that badly in Greenfield. On a decent radio, you could pull in several Hartford FMs as far north as the south side of Mt. Monadnock, NH before these signals sprouted up. Local market sales seems to win the day over regional DX catches.
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
K
KML0224
Guest
> While apparently outside of WDRC's protected signal contour
> and the Hartford market, I still wonder why WYRY couldn't
> put the translator on 104.9 if WYRY's main signal is lacking
> that badly in Greenfield. On a decent radio, you could pull
> in several Hartford FMs as far north as the south side of
> Mt. Monadnock, NH before these signals sprouted up. Local
> market sales seems to win the day over regional DX catches.
>
How is the signal of WTIC-FM 96.5 in that area? My Walkman's sensitivity isn't too good. All I'll get is a spotty signal of WTSA-FM 96.7 from Brattleboro, VT down I-91 to near Exit 26 in Greenfield, MA (MA 2 West/ MA 2A).
> and the Hartford market, I still wonder why WYRY couldn't
> put the translator on 104.9 if WYRY's main signal is lacking
> that badly in Greenfield. On a decent radio, you could pull
> in several Hartford FMs as far north as the south side of
> Mt. Monadnock, NH before these signals sprouted up. Local
> market sales seems to win the day over regional DX catches.
>
How is the signal of WTIC-FM 96.5 in that area? My Walkman's sensitivity isn't too good. All I'll get is a spotty signal of WTSA-FM 96.7 from Brattleboro, VT down I-91 to near Exit 26 in Greenfield, MA (MA 2 West/ MA 2A).
T
TXengineer
Guest
> WYRY itself went on in 1987 and
> is licensed to Hinsdale, NH. Its main tower is next to the
> site of the former WRLP TV-32, which is a pretty straight
> shot to Greenfield but spotty up around Keene.
It is actually about 3 miles to the Southwest of Gun Mountain (On Cat Den Mountain to be exact). The site is horrible to get to...
> While apparently outside of WDRC's protected signal contour
> and the Hartford market, I still wonder why WYRY couldn't
> put the translator on 104.9
Because that wouldn't be a translator, it would be an on channel Booster. Even though they are applying for the translator , they still must protect their protected contour of the primary signal, and an on channel translator would not do that.
> Local
> market sales seems to win the day over regional DX catches.
>
That is exactly it.
> is licensed to Hinsdale, NH. Its main tower is next to the
> site of the former WRLP TV-32, which is a pretty straight
> shot to Greenfield but spotty up around Keene.
It is actually about 3 miles to the Southwest of Gun Mountain (On Cat Den Mountain to be exact). The site is horrible to get to...
> While apparently outside of WDRC's protected signal contour
> and the Hartford market, I still wonder why WYRY couldn't
> put the translator on 104.9
Because that wouldn't be a translator, it would be an on channel Booster. Even though they are applying for the translator , they still must protect their protected contour of the primary signal, and an on channel translator would not do that.
> Local
> market sales seems to win the day over regional DX catches.
>
That is exactly it.
I was travning through there last week I was like What the hell... I thought it was a strong dx. I guess not. how does the fcc allow things still? if you guys heard recently, wtos signal got lossed in portland ME. many people are pissed about that one. (including me)
hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish they would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in fairfield county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats my two cents
on a last note wdrc comes in sometimes pretty good in greenwich-stamford
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish they would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in fairfield county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats my two cents
on a last note wdrc comes in sometimes pretty good in greenwich-stamford
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
T
TXengineer
Guest
> how does the fcc allow things still?
It's simple. All radio stations have a protected contour. WDRC's protected contour does not go over Greenfield. None of the West Peak stations' do.
This translator's primary contour is well within it's legal right to operate at the power it does because it does not penetrate WDRC's protected contour.
> if you guys heard recently, wtos
> signal got lossed in portland ME. many people are pissed
> about that one. (including me)
The thing about this LPFM , and I brought this up on the board, and had my statment backed by a couple other engineers, is that while WTOS was nice to listen to in Portland, it was not even close to WTOS's protected contour! WTOS' protected contour is somewhere closer to Auburn-Lewiston than it is to Portland.
The LPFM in Portland is not interfering with WTOS's protected contour, so it is legal.
> hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish they
> would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in fairfield
> county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats my
> two cents
> on a last note wdrc comes in sometimes pretty good in
> greenwich-stamford
If the FCC went through and basically gave stations huge protected contours in the Northeast, then there would be only 4-5 stations per market!
The rules for FM protection, while not perfect, are pretty good as it is.
Now if we could only eliminate the 3rd adjacent protections...
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TXengineer on 07/14/05 01:47 PM.</FONT></P>
It's simple. All radio stations have a protected contour. WDRC's protected contour does not go over Greenfield. None of the West Peak stations' do.
This translator's primary contour is well within it's legal right to operate at the power it does because it does not penetrate WDRC's protected contour.
> if you guys heard recently, wtos
> signal got lossed in portland ME. many people are pissed
> about that one. (including me)
The thing about this LPFM , and I brought this up on the board, and had my statment backed by a couple other engineers, is that while WTOS was nice to listen to in Portland, it was not even close to WTOS's protected contour! WTOS' protected contour is somewhere closer to Auburn-Lewiston than it is to Portland.
The LPFM in Portland is not interfering with WTOS's protected contour, so it is legal.
> hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish they
> would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in fairfield
> county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats my
> two cents
> on a last note wdrc comes in sometimes pretty good in
> greenwich-stamford
If the FCC went through and basically gave stations huge protected contours in the Northeast, then there would be only 4-5 stations per market!
The rules for FM protection, while not perfect, are pretty good as it is.
Now if we could only eliminate the 3rd adjacent protections...
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TXengineer on 07/14/05 01:47 PM.</FONT></P>
> > hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish they
> > would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in
> fairfield
> > county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats my
I'm pretty sure you can get Country down there. Their signal is powerful and mysterious. Well at least Powerful, I got them into Southern VT the last couple of years clear as a bell.
> > would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in
> fairfield
> > county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats my
I'm pretty sure you can get Country down there. Their signal is powerful and mysterious. Well at least Powerful, I got them into Southern VT the last couple of years clear as a bell.
P
PilotMan1
Guest
> > > hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish
> they
> > > would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in
> > fairfield
> > > county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats
> my
>
> I'm pretty sure you can get Country down there. Their signal
> is powerful and mysterious. Well at least Powerful, I got
> them into Southern VT the last couple of years clear as a
> bell.
>
It is very hard with WXRK's signal interfearing. Once you hit Fairfield and Westport, it becomes harder to get most Hartford FMs.
> they
> > > would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in
> > fairfield
> > > county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here thats
> my
>
> I'm pretty sure you can get Country down there. Their signal
> is powerful and mysterious. Well at least Powerful, I got
> them into Southern VT the last couple of years clear as a
> bell.
>
It is very hard with WXRK's signal interfearing. Once you hit Fairfield and Westport, it becomes harder to get most Hartford FMs.
well when your an active rocker and you listen to a walkman like me do in the stamford ct area all the time you know exactly every place the two ajacent channels will interfere or come in. a good place to get ct stations in the area is on a beach on long island sound (yes the contreversal one on the news all the time) I have occationally gotten 106.9 wccc clear as a bell, and 92.5 and 104.1 come in most of the time as well. I wish I could bring my carver tx-11 tuner with modified if's on my moms sailboat and use her 50ft mast as the antenna. not gonna happen... Insted I'm just a broke collge student oh well.
> > > > hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish
> > they
> > > > would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in
> > > fairfield
> > > > county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here
> thats
> > my
> >
> > I'm pretty sure you can get Country down there. Their
> signal
> > is powerful and mysterious. Well at least Powerful, I got
> > them into Southern VT the last couple of years clear as a
> > bell.
> >
>
> It is very hard with WXRK's signal interfearing. Once you
> hit Fairfield and Westport, it becomes harder to get most
> Hartford FMs.
>
> > > > hell if the fcc is insane like this with lp's I wish
> > they
> > > > would allow 106.9 wccc to get a relay bosseter in
> > > fairfield
> > > > county ct or 92.5 to be relayed as well down here
> thats
> > my
> >
> > I'm pretty sure you can get Country down there. Their
> signal
> > is powerful and mysterious. Well at least Powerful, I got
> > them into Southern VT the last couple of years clear as a
> > bell.
> >
>
> It is very hard with WXRK's signal interfearing. Once you
> hit Fairfield and Westport, it becomes harder to get most
> Hartford FMs.
>
> How is the signal of WTIC-FM 96.5 in that area?
i can sometimes get it about 15-20 min north of the MA / VT border on 91... and if your coming in from the west i can usually get it right at the MA / NY border on 90... btw, i live in upstate ny (way upstate near plattsburg on the border) and listen to the news on wtic 1080 every night...
i can sometimes get it about 15-20 min north of the MA / VT border on 91... and if your coming in from the west i can usually get it right at the MA / NY border on 90... btw, i live in upstate ny (way upstate near plattsburg on the border) and listen to the news on wtic 1080 every night...
KC101's signal
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
I went up I91 last week. I heard KC101 all the way to the Vermont-Massachusetts border. 101.3 and 93.7 were the strongest signals from Connecticut in that area.<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471</P>
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
I went up I91 last week. I heard KC101 all the way to the Vermont-Massachusetts border. 101.3 and 93.7 were the strongest signals from Connecticut in that area.<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471</P>
T
TXengineer
Guest
Re: KC101's signal
I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter site help a lot.
I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter site help a lot.
Re: KC101's signal
> I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their
> signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
>
> A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter site
> help a lot.
>
Their coverage to the SW and E/NE has gotten a lot worse in recent months, with WCBS-FM and WWBB adding IBOC.
> I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their
> signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
>
> A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter site
> help a lot.
>
Their coverage to the SW and E/NE has gotten a lot worse in recent months, with WCBS-FM and WWBB adding IBOC.
Re: KC101's signal
> > I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their
> > signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
> >
> > A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter
> site
> > help a lot.
> >
>
> Their coverage to the SW and E/NE has gotten a lot worse in
> recent months, with WCBS-FM and WWBB adding IBOC.
>
I use to pick them up ok where I am SE Nassau Co, not as good now, but their signal is still very good in most of SuffolK County on Long Island, like a local in much of central Suffolk
> > I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their
> > signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
> >
> > A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter
> site
> > help a lot.
> >
>
> Their coverage to the SW and E/NE has gotten a lot worse in
> recent months, with WCBS-FM and WWBB adding IBOC.
>
I use to pick them up ok where I am SE Nassau Co, not as good now, but their signal is still very good in most of SuffolK County on Long Island, like a local in much of central Suffolk
1
1290wgli
Guest
Re: KC101's signal
> I use to pick them up ok where I am SE Nassau Co, not as
> good now, but their signal is still very good in most of
> SuffolK County on Long Island, like a local in much of
> central Suffolk
>
Actually, it was WCBS-FM's signal that really took a beating when KC-101 added HD last December. I used to get CBS-FM as far north and east as Port Jefferson without much problem in the car. After December, it's washed under a sea of noise.
> I use to pick them up ok where I am SE Nassau Co, not as
> good now, but their signal is still very good in most of
> SuffolK County on Long Island, like a local in much of
> central Suffolk
>
Actually, it was WCBS-FM's signal that really took a beating when KC-101 added HD last December. I used to get CBS-FM as far north and east as Port Jefferson without much problem in the car. After December, it's washed under a sea of noise.
P
PilotMan1
Guest
Re: KC101's signal
> > I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their
> > signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
> >
> > A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter
> site
> > help a lot.
> >
>
> Their coverage to the SW and E/NE has gotten a lot worse in
> recent months, with WCBS-FM and WWBB adding IBOC.
>
Their signal is still strong in Southwestern CT. It only starts to really get effected when you get closer to Stamford, which is usually dominated by NYC FMs and Z100 for top 40. WWBB doesn't do much at all at least in Connecticut. KC 101s signal is a monster.
> > I have always been impressed with WKCI's signal. Their
> > signal is just so robust for miles and miles.
> >
> > A combination of a good frequency, and good transmitter
> site
> > help a lot.
> >
>
> Their coverage to the SW and E/NE has gotten a lot worse in
> recent months, with WCBS-FM and WWBB adding IBOC.
>
Their signal is still strong in Southwestern CT. It only starts to really get effected when you get closer to Stamford, which is usually dominated by NYC FMs and Z100 for top 40. WWBB doesn't do much at all at least in Connecticut. KC 101s signal is a monster.
P
Popeye
Guest
> Well I made my annual trip up I91 last week and DRC's signal
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
I can get DRC's fm signal all the way into Lee, MA on the MassPike. There were businesses in Lee that played DRC oldies in their stores until WUPE-FM in Pittsfield went oldies under Whoopee FM (95.9) but that signal is rumored to be leaving in September for Easthampton, MA and the Springfield market.
> formerly went nearly to the top of Mass and now there is a
> country station @ 102.9 loud and clear about 30 miles north
> of Springfield. How did that happen???
>
I can get DRC's fm signal all the way into Lee, MA on the MassPike. There were businesses in Lee that played DRC oldies in their stores until WUPE-FM in Pittsfield went oldies under Whoopee FM (95.9) but that signal is rumored to be leaving in September for Easthampton, MA and the Springfield market.
T
TXengineer
Guest
> I can get DRC's fm signal all the way into Lee, MA on the
> MassPike. There were businesses in Lee that played DRC
> oldies in their stores until WUPE-FM in Pittsfield went
> oldies under Whoopee FM (95.9) but that signal is rumored to
> be leaving in September for Easthampton, MA and the
> Springfield market.
105.5, WBEC-FM is leaving Pittsfield to go to Easthampton.
WUPE 95.9 is staying put.
> MassPike. There were businesses in Lee that played DRC
> oldies in their stores until WUPE-FM in Pittsfield went
> oldies under Whoopee FM (95.9) but that signal is rumored to
> be leaving in September for Easthampton, MA and the
> Springfield market.
105.5, WBEC-FM is leaving Pittsfield to go to Easthampton.
WUPE 95.9 is staying put.
Re: KC101's signal
> > I use to pick them up ok where I am SE Nassau Co, not as
> > good now, but their signal is still very good in most of
> > SuffolK County on Long Island, like a local in much of
> > central Suffolk
> >
>
> Actually, it was WCBS-FM's signal that really took a beating
> when KC-101 added HD last December. I used to get CBS-FM as
> far north and east as Port Jefferson without much problem in
> the car. After December, it's washed under a sea of noise.
>
Who cares? "JACK" doesn't.
-A<P ID="signature">______________
"...How can you be deaf, with ears like that??"</P>
> > I use to pick them up ok where I am SE Nassau Co, not as
> > good now, but their signal is still very good in most of
> > SuffolK County on Long Island, like a local in much of
> > central Suffolk
> >
>
> Actually, it was WCBS-FM's signal that really took a beating
> when KC-101 added HD last December. I used to get CBS-FM as
> far north and east as Port Jefferson without much problem in
> the car. After December, it's washed under a sea of noise.
>
Who cares? "JACK" doesn't.
-A<P ID="signature">______________
"...How can you be deaf, with ears like that??"</P>
1
1290wgli
Guest
Re: KC101's signal
>
>
> Who cares? "JACK" doesn't.
Just commenting on the problems HD for FM can cause when unique situations like WKCI and WCBS come into play. Has nothing to do with what is programmed on either.
>
>
> Who cares? "JACK" doesn't.
Just commenting on the problems HD for FM can cause when unique situations like WKCI and WCBS come into play. Has nothing to do with what is programmed on either.
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