We have ratings!

[KOHS]

1- KESZ: Although they retain the #1 spot on the 12+ numbers, I wonder how Beth and Bill are doing. I got tired of their morning show years ago.
2- KFYI: A gain of .4 over the last book. Not bad...for an AM station.
3- KOOL: Everyone loves the same 100 songs, over and over, and over, and over....
4- KHOT/KHOV: Eu estou muito feliz ver esta estação suceder. Eu amo a música accordian e da tuba.
5- KZZP: Nice bump! Up .6 over the last book in 12+ numbers.

KTAR: Didn't lose any ground, but will they be able to gain ground for the next book? Will Ankarlo draw the listeners in, or will McMahon [continue to] drive them away in drive time?

KMXP: Ready...charge to 200...clear!! We're losing the signal...charge to 300!!! Will it flip??

KZON: It's official, FreeFM isn't the success CBS hoped it would be. Maybe they need to try more brokered programming? Colon blow, anyone?

Sanudsky: KUPD is the lone bright spot, but barely. I'd guess that their best numbers come from Holmberg and company. KDKB needs a morning show! And KSLX needs....well...a format change??? Or perhaps more commercials with fat people dancing (that's large and in charge, just in case you felt inflamed)?  ;D

KPHX- Better than Christian broadcasting, but not by much. I wonder if AA 2.0 will do much better?

 

[KMGX]

The Winter Book (trends) look interesting, but I don't completely agree with your assessment. Let's keep in mind that the winter book in Phoenix is always has some anomalies, and isn't treated as seriously as the Spring and Fall book.

KEZ is #1 in the 12+ numbers primarily due to their usual winter push from the "continuous Christmas" format, but they'll sink about 25% or so in the subsequent books.

KFYI is the #1 talker in Phoenix as usual, not just in 12+ numbers, but in key demos at key times (25-54m 6a-10a and so on). This is generally true year 'round.

KOOL: The station stays toward the top in spite of itself--I don't know how KOOL keeps it's listeners.

KZZP: This is a tough station to figure out, it seemed that KZZP was in trouble just a half year or so ago, but has revived in the previous book and these trends. I am not sure how that is though, with that horrid morning show--but trying to figure out ratings in Phoenix is always tough.

KTAR: Going into the dumps--don't be fooled by the 12+ numbers reported publicly, when the stations are reported seperately (as they should be), you'll see the "Sports Parking Lot" as Dr. Akbar calls it, is quite empty and the FM side is squalid.

KMXP is another puzzling station, it varies quite a bit book to book in it's key demos and 12+. Could be a great station, but some of their format decisions frustrate me, I don't think they're dead, a trend in the winter book means very little, Hot AC is a pretty profitable format--WPLJ is one of the highest billing stations in the country, so sometimes it's not always just about ratings.

KZON, FREE-FM, is a disaster! CBS has a tendency to hold to onto bad concepts for a long time, see JACK FM. This station was better off with Free Rock at night and on weekends. (Actually they were better off as the Zone, but whatever) There is almost nothing redeemable about FREE-FM, from Tom Leykis barely able to talk and doing the same show day-after-day, to Frosty, Heidi and Frank giving us the 4-1-1 on the happenings in L.A.--as if we care... God what a joke.

KUPD is solid, KDKB is NOT--maybe they can do more stunting only to change ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on the station. KDKB was one of the best stations Phoenix had to offer not all that long ago, but what has happened to them is nothing short of sad. Gumpdusky is incapable of making decent management decisions--look at how they've completely ruined KSLX and have never even tried to make KDUS worth listening to (aside from Bob Kemp who could have a job anywhere he wanted).

KPHX, as I have stated on this board before, call me when they get a 1.5. Air America has never proven itself to be a success in the 4 years of it's existence and will likely never be as long as they continue to throw out the same bad hosts, embittered discourse and polarizing style of talk for which they accuse their conservative counterparts of doing.

 

[DrAkbar]

Hey you forgot KKFR, where Hip-Hop now lives on a rimshot! For all the carping Nurse Jeff and I've heard about MOVIN's crappy signal, this is a just as crappy signal that seems to cover the right areas for ratings.

...and we ran KT'Rs numbers through the Akbarizer* and came up with a 3 share for News 92~three and a 1.2 share for Sports Parking Lot 6~twenty. Honorable mention goes to KASA 15~something. We think the call letters, which are the same as "home" en espanol, are worth at least a .5! The Nurse and I are trying to come up with four letter combos for "at work" and "in the car" as well.

* not affiliated with a Vinson loan or Al, your trees' pal

 

[Legend City]

Well, KTAR has seen its audience shifting to the graveyards lately, they lose their listeners every day, God bless em.

How did KKNT do?

Or everyone's favorite colon blow infomercial station?

KXAM? Are they still on?

 

[jayaz]

KMGX

Your politics are showing in everything you say comparing KTAR with KFYI. Instead of cheering for live local programming you continually denigrate the station that is live and local and prop up the station with 6 hours, that's right, 6 hours of local programs in a 24 hour day.

Ankarlo will have an amazing effect but it won't show up until the two stations start showing as entities rather than as one.

I won't bother to take on your ratings analysis. Suffice it to say you're way off.


J

 

[Legend City]

Aunt Carlos and McBland may be local, but they sure sound dead. Local is nothing to crow about with the current KTAR lineup.

Ankarlo will have an amazing effect? He already does, when he comes on, I reach for my Ipod.

When is it time to guess the first 100 degree day?

BTW, Edna in Sun City died 5 years ago

 

[KMGX]

KMGX

Your politics are showing in everything you say comparing KTAR with KFYI. Instead of cheering for live local programming you continually denigrate the station that is live and local and prop up the station with 6 hours, that's right, 6 hours of local programs in a 24 hour day.

Ankarlo will have an amazing effect but it won't show up until the two stations start showing as entities rather than as one.

I won't bother to take on your ratings analysis. Suffice it to say you're way off.


J

Jay, I love ya, you're a great guy, but I'd love to sit down over a couple brews and look at the ratings book with you so that I may teach you that the higher the number, the better.

I will NOT give specific numbers--as per the ground rules of the message board--but let me break it down for you Jay.

12+, KFYI (6a-8a) beats KTAR by over 1 full share, and in the 25-54m demo, KFYI leads by over 2 (yes TWO) full shares. In the midday hours 10a-4p, 12+ KFYI beats KTAR by almost 3 share, and in 25-54m, by just about 4 share. Let's keep in mind, KTAR COMBINES their two stations in this book and KFYI STILL beats them by (in some cases) more than 2-1, imagine how bad it will look when the two stations are split in the book.

Jay, I have the numbers, I know how to read and interpret them and I'm afraid what KTAR is doing is not working. I'm willing to give Aunt Carlos a pass, because I believe it takes at least 12 months to develop a show, but let's just say he's getting out of the gate REAL slow. (I personally believe he will never have a dramatic impact on this market as long as he falls into the trap of survey radio... 'what do you think, give me a call')

 

[oldiesfan6479]

...and prop up the station with 6 hours, that's right, 6 hours of local programs in a
24 hour day.

Jay, your calculator needs new batteries. Let's add this up again...

Lunatic Jacobs, 5-8am = three hours
Nearly Bald One, 8-until-Rush = two hours
Crummey talk show, 4-7pm = three hours

That eight hours, not six.

Yeah I know, Crummey's ISDNed from El Lay--and we rag him mercilessly
for it ;D--but it counts as a local PHX show.

And for whatever "live and local" total you come up with for Snooze 92/3
KT'R-FM, take three hours off as a penalty for Gerald's Toaster Talk.

 

[DrAkbar]

Instead of cheering for live local programming you continually denigrate the station that is live and local

Hmmmm...the Nurse and I recall that brilliant Emmis campaign: Live, Local, First. Sure didn't work for them...you'd think The Men In Secret Underwear would have learned the lesson.

It's all about content, Luvable 1. KFWhyEye has it, News 92~three, where Hip-Hop used to live, still doesn't. Aunt Carlos is a step in the right direction, but that noon news hour followed by Captain Stupor is non competitive. PMD News will always lose to Crummey, and the kindergarteners on after 7pm are up well beyond their bedtimes!

Now whatever you do, don't get Nurse Jeff and me started on what TMISU did with 6~twenty!

 

[brian4]

Still waiting J.

 

[madlib]

KPHX, as I have stated on this board before, call me when they get a 1.5. Air America has never proven itself to be a success in the 4 years of it's existence and will likely never be as long as they continue to throw out the same bad hosts, embittered discourse and polarizing style of talk for which they accuse their conservative counterparts of doing.

Yes, why must the libs be so shrill, partisan, and polarizing? Why can't they be more like that sweet Bruce Jacobs? Now there's a talk show host!

[/sarcasm]

 

[jayaz]

Good lord you guys make it so tough on a poor human like me.

Brian you may be right

KMGX . let's talk

Dr Akbar I keep saying "just you wait" you guys have to give this time. It's a big change that
KTAR made there are people saying "what happened to my station" (evidence the trend)That will change. You just gotta believe.


Oldies fan A show from Los angeles is a show from Los Angeles. You can paint a hangnail but it's still a hangnail. (that doesn't relate but I like saying it)

J

 

[KMGX]

Good lord you guys make it so tough on a poor human like me.

Brian you may be right

KMGX . let's talk

Dr Akbar I keep saying "just you wait" you guys have to give this time. It's a big change that
KTAR made there are people saying "what happened to my station" (evidence the trend)That will change. You just gotta believe.

Oldies fan A show from Los angeles is a show from Los Angeles. You can paint a hangnail but it's still a hangnail. (that doesn't relate but I like saying it)

J

Jay, anytime you'd like. I'll even agree with you about Joe Crummey--the show comes from L.A. and someone outside the market that has never REALLY lived here or hasn't done so recently comes across differently on the air, KTAR should put someone impactful on the air to compete with him--believe me Crummey isn't exactly cleaning up the joint ratings wise, there's NO competition at that time, Tom Leykis? I bet I could put together a show with a half hour of show prep and beat that garbage. "Thank YYYYYOOOOU for tuning in to the Tom Leykis show...", someone give me an aspirin.

I honestly don't think Crummey is much better than anything else in that timeslot. Liddy and Hill? Ha! I'm only talking about news-talk or "Hot" Talk here... were I to expand I'd have some different thoughts.

Yes, why must the libs be so shrill, partisan, and polarizing? Why can't they be more like that sweet Bruce Jacobs? Now there's a talk show host!

[/sarcasm]

A fairly typical tactic, rather than address the faults of the station you defend you simply say "well, look at x, y and z". That doesn't excuse what KPHX does, especially because they touted themselves as "raising the discourse" and "the intelligent retort to conservative dominated radio". Madlib, your credibility stands at zero on the topic because you have already disclosed where you work (or worked).

 

[madlib]

A fairly typical tactic, rather than address the faults of the station you defend you simply say "well, look at x, y and z". That doesn't excuse what KPHX does, especially because they touted themselves as "raising the discourse" and "the intelligent retort to conservative dominated radio". Madlib, your credibility stands at zero on the topic because you have already disclosed where you work (or worked).

A fairly typical tactic, it's OK for Jacobs to be partisan and shrill, but the cons can dish it out, but they can't take it. [EDIT]

[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[KMGX]

A fairly typical tactic, rather than address the faults of the station you defend you simply say "well, look at x, y and z". That doesn't excuse what KPHX does, especially because they touted themselves as "raising the discourse" and "the intelligent retort to conservative dominated radio". Madlib, your credibility stands at zero on the topic because you have already disclosed where you work (or worked).

A fairly typical tactic, it's OK for Jacobs to be partisan and shrill, but the cons can dish it out, but they can't take it. [EDIT]
[EDIT-inflammatory]

[EDIT]
I never said one was okay over another. Incidentally, you still never addressed the issue--you just responded with another childish ad hominem argument, congratulations, you're making my argument for me.
[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[Bill Drake]

Nothing to talk about here. Even "#1" is only a plurality win. Why not take a survey on how many people don't listen to the corporate crap being packaged and shoveled out for the sheeple's consumption.

 

[kzewdude]

"Give it time." Curious, how long did it take KFYI to take down KTAR? 6 months? A year? You would think an FM station would register pretty quickly, whether it's music or news/talk like KTAR. Perhaps KTAR has more changes to come? Or will they be the Arizona Cardinals?

 

[headphonejack]

It took KFYI 4-6 years to beat KTAR.

 

[jayaz]

Are you "THE" Bill Drake or "A" Bill Drake?

Nothing wrong with being "A" Bill Drake. But "THE" Bill Drake created a format that was the absolute way to play rock music. Sadly, I was the antithesis of the "Drake" format.

J

 

[DrAkbar]

It took KFYI 4-6 years to beat KTAR.

It was more like 4 - 6 months after moving to 5~Fifty in September 2000. Even though KFWhyEye had Dr Laura mid-days, Charles Goyette in PMD and Phil Hendrie at nights, KT'R was approaching it's pinnacle of programming incompetence. Fast forward to today, and the Nurse and I find KFWhyEye at the top of it's game and KT'R still handicapped by programming incompetence. The only difference is 5~Fifty has The Dudeboss, and News 92~Three has TMISU!

Yo, Luvable 1....tell Pppppreston we missed Phoenix' first 100 degree day by just one lousy degree!