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We need the help of a consultant...

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killawatt

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Hitman, you being a consultant, I know you keep up with the latest on everything…we rookies need you to explain this to us and shed a little insight on why this is a good thing or not...and for those of us who know nothing…please explain this condensed market thingie.

Phase I—Fall 2005
Beginning with the release of the Fall 2005 radio survey results, Arbitron will include the diaries from the Fall 2005 and Spring 2005 surveys when tabulating the audience estimates in 110 Condensed markets. (This program will not be implemented in the four Condensed markets that are embedded in larger Metro survey areas.)
Fall 2005, and each report thereafter, will be a two-book average of the most current survey and the previous survey, delivering two times the current sample size for audience demographics and dayparts.
Phase II—Targeted for Spring 2007
Beginning with the release of the Spring 2007 market report, ratings reports will begin being issued quarterly (four times per year) in Condensed markets. The same number of diaries formerly placed during the traditional Spring and Fall survey periods will be spread over all 12 months of the year. Each quarterly report will add listening from diaries from the most recent quarter and drop listening from diaries from the oldest quarter.
Level of Information and Granularity
While estimates based on the full 12-month survey period will be the standard, estimates for time periods less than the full survey period will also be available on a more restricted basis.
Estimates for time periods of less than a year, specifically three months and six months, will only be available to Maximi$er® and Media ProfessionalSM Respondent-Level Data customers. To provide greater insight into programming changes in the marketplace, Respondent-Level Data customers will be able to look at a variety of listening estimates for both six-month and three-month periods to capture a snapshot of the change in listening patterns. There will be restrictions on the available dayparts and demographics made available for these shorter periods of time. At the same time, this level of granularity will still give Maximi$er and Media Professional customers the opportunity to see estimates for a period of time shorter than 12 months to see the high-level impact of programming changes.
 
> Hitman, you being a consultant, I know you keep up with the
> latest on everything…we rookies need you to explain this to
> us and shed a little insight on why this is a good thing or
> not...and for those of us who know nothing…please explain
> this condensed market thingie.
>
Offhand, I'd say it means Arbitron is not making enough money from the market at the moment and they want to squeeze a little more juice from the lemon and make you pay for something new and different :)

And yes, I realize you were being sarcastic when you asked for my opinion.
 
Speaking of consultant help...

Great TSL trick Wednesday night. Running JUST the satellite closers to Romeo's Playhouse and the local liners and nothing else...I listened for an hour and a half...it was great. Now THAT is thinking outside the box. You've really earning your keep, now.

I know it MUST have been done intentionally because in a previous thread you said (and this is a direct quote):

"But, even when G101 is voicetracked, we have an ear cocked to the dial. I am not certain that is always so everywhere."

The best segue was the Legal ID that says "50 thousand watts of power" followed by 8 minutes of nothing...real compelling stuff. Where do you consultants come up with ideas like this??
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Great TSL trick Wednesday night. Running JUST the satellite
> closers to Romeo's Playhouse and the local liners and
> nothing else...I listened for an hour and a half...it was
> great. Now THAT is thinking outside the box. You've really
> earning your keep, now.
>
> I know it MUST have been done intentionally because in a
> previous thread you said (and this is a direct quote):
>
> "But, even when G101 is voicetracked, we have an ear cocked
> to the dial. I am not certain that is always so everywhere."
>
>
> The best segue was the Legal ID that says "50 thousand watts
> of power" followed by 8 minutes of nothing...real compelling
> stuff. Where do you consultants come up with ideas like
> this??
>

Must be the same idea as 4 hours of squealing feedback on the qwk morning show a few months back, and lots of dead air on wrsc just about any time. I also like the blips and squeaks on the buzz, and large areas of squelchy signal overlap.
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> > Great TSL trick Wednesday night. Running JUST the
> satellite
> > closers to Romeo's Playhouse and the local liners and
> > nothing else...I listened for an hour and a half...it was
> > great. Now THAT is thinking outside the box. You've
> really
> > earning your keep, now.
> >
> > I know it MUST have been done intentionally because in a
> > previous thread you said (and this is a direct quote):
> >
> > "But, even when G101 is voicetracked, we have an ear
> cocked
> > to the dial. I am not certain that is always so
> everywhere."
> >
> >
> > The best segue was the Legal ID that says "50 thousand
> watts
> > of power" followed by 8 minutes of nothing...real
> compelling
> > stuff. Where do you consultants come up with ideas like
> > this??
> >
>
> Must be the same idea as 4 hours of squealing feedback on
> the qwk morning show a few months back, and lots of dead air
> on wrsc just about any time. I also like the blips and
> squeaks on the buzz, and large areas of squelchy signal
> overlap.
>

But you lost the point of my post...according to shilton, that stuff doesn't happen on G-Unit 101. Reality is, technical issues happen EVERYWHERE. A smart consultant/employee doesn't go on record saying "But, even when G101 is voicetracked, we have an ear cocked to the dial. I am not certain that is always so everywhere."

I was just pointing that out to Hitman shilton with wit and sarcasm :)
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Great TSL trick Wednesday night. Running JUST the satellite
> closers to Romeo's Playhouse and the local liners and
> nothing else...I listened for an hour and a half...it was
> great. Now THAT is thinking outside the box. You've really
> earning your keep, now.
>
> I know it MUST have been done intentionally because in a
> previous thread you said (and this is a direct quote):
>
> "But, even when G101 is voicetracked, we have an ear cocked
> to the dial. I am not certain that is always so everywhere."
>
>
> The best segue was the Legal ID that says "50 thousand watts
> of power" followed by 8 minutes of nothing...real compelling
> stuff. Where do you consultants come up with ideas like
> this??
>
Touche! Yes it was a bit unfortunate. Faliure on the satellite feed and a rare instance where any of the staff armed to deal with that were all otherwise indisposed.

I will agree that every station can and does suffer its own technical issues. Take for example, our own G101 is PRONE to power failures since our stick is up in the mountains and in severe icy weather, trees drop bringing down power lines. Happens at least 1-2 times a winter for us.

Since you were so quick to directly quote me, I will point out that when I made that comment, I was referring to the fact that a serious out of phase issue was present on the air for 2 days before it was even discovered. That does indeed strike me as odd seeing how one would think the PD, the GM, the Sales Staff and Air Staff should all be listening on occasion at some point within a 2 days span to hear an issue like that.

1 and a half hours with no audio...yeah...its a problem...but it was a problem for 1 and a half hours or whatever time it took for our crew to catch on and react. Had we had dead air for 2 days, I too would be wondering what went wrong?

By the way...am I to assume that you enjoy "the Playhouse"...or do you just regularly sample us? At any rate...keeping the dial tuned to 101.1 for an hour and a half just to hear Mitch Craig every 8 mins or so...Man...too bad you didn't have a diary :)

But seriously....comment noted. I just think we are not quite comparing apples to apples here on this subject, but you may disagree and that's ok too.

Steve
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Apparently you like G-101's programming, since you're
> listening an awful lot.
>
Now that's funny! Thanks....made me smile

Hitman
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Apparently you like G-101's programming, since you're
> listening an awful lot.
>

Oh how creative, you sure put me in my place!
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> > Apparently you like G-101's programming, since you're
> > listening an awful lot.
> >
>
> Oh how creative, you sure put me in my place!

It was a simple statement. You could easily reply with the truth, if my comment is incorrect. Ball's in your court.
 
Back to the actual question

Everyone always says that small-market numbers aren't worth anything unless you average out multiple books, so now Arbitron is just doing the work for you.

It's good for advertisers, as it will highlight the stations that do consistently well, as opposed to those who just had a spike and will soon come back to earth. Obviously it's good for those consistent stations as well.

On the other hand, it also means the ratings are going to move slower. So for a station that makes changes, you might not see the full results in the book for a year, although any subscribing station can use Maximi$er to get a more immediate analysis.
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> It was a simple statement. You could easily reply with the
> truth, if my comment is incorrect. Ball's in your court.
>

First of all, I didn't realize you wanted a reply. Had that been the case, you should have phrased it in the form of a question, but I digress. To reply to your original post, no I do not like the programming on G101 (no offense Hitman) and I don't listen "an awful lot." I, like most interested in radio, constantly flip around and when I heard the static that night, I listened to hear what was going on, like most interested in radio would. So if you want to get technical, you could say that I enjoy static more than the programming on G101 ;)
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

Ok let me see if I can get this straight, cause I am a little confused on a number of issues. 1st off you claim that you were flipping around and heard the static and that is why you listened. NICE!!! If you refer back to your first post about this you said you heard the Legal ID and then dead air. So that means you were listening before the dead air came on. I know this for a fact becuase the relay closures were not working either. That would mean that NOTHING not even a liner was playing. Also if you were listening for an hour and a half you heard music that you listened to for at least a 1/2 hour. I know this because I was the one who fixed the problem. There was music on the air before 8pm.

So I just want to make sure I have this straight. You heard the static @7pm and decided to listen? Or you were listening hoping Romeo would come on?
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Ok let me see if I can get this straight, cause I am a
> little confused on a number of issues. 1st off you claim
> that you were flipping around and heard the static and that
> is why you listened. NICE!!!

Yes, most radio geeks do that.

> If you refer back to your first
> post about this you said you heard the Legal ID and then
> dead air. So that means you were listening before the dead
> air came on. I know this for a fact becuase the relay
> closures were not working either. That would mean that
> NOTHING not even a liner was playing. Also if you were
> listening for an hour and a half you heard music that you
> listened to for at least a 1/2 hour. I know this because I
> was the one who fixed the problem. There was music on the
> air before 8pm.
>
> So I just want to make sure I have this straight. You heard
> the static @7pm and decided to listen? Or you were listening
> hoping Romeo would come on?
>

Not quite. After fisrt hearing the static at about 9:20ish, I laughed and continued flipping around. I heard the Romeo local liner fire before 10PM, I don't know exactly at what time. I then ran into Giant and came back out just before 10PM and I happened to hear the Legal ID play then. When I got home, I had the radio on while I was doing stuff around the house and the last time I flipped to G101 was about 10:45 and still, nothing.

Wow, sarcasm get's lost in translation.

Dude, technical s**t happens to everyone. The original post was not an attack on you or G101. It was just a way to point out to your fearless leader that he had a little egg on his face for previous comments he made before.
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Ok let me see if I can get this straight, cause I am a
> little confused on a number of issues. 1st off you claim
> that you were flipping around and heard the static and that
> is why you listened. NICE!!! If you refer back to your first
> post about this you said you heard the Legal ID and then
> dead air. So that means you were listening before the dead
> air came on. I know this for a fact becuase the relay
> closures were not working either. That would mean that
> NOTHING not even a liner was playing. Also if you were
> listening for an hour and a half you heard music that you
> listened to for at least a 1/2 hour. I know this because I
> was the one who fixed the problem. There was music on the
> air before 8pm.
>
> So I just want to make sure I have this straight. You heard
> the static @7pm and decided to listen? Or you were listening
> hoping Romeo would come on?
>

There is only thing certain here....this person must be one of the only people listening to G-Nuts 101.
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

Whatever I'm not gonna argue with you when you have your facts, times, and you can't even get your own story straight...but hey thanks for listening
 
Re: Speaking of consultant help...

> Whatever I'm not gonna argue with you when you have your
> facts, times, and you can't even get your own story
> straight...but hey thanks for listening
>

First of all, I never changed the story and I am well aware of what I heard.

Second, I think it's funny that my original post was a jab at a comment made by shilton, he responded with his "touche" comment, and that was the end of it. It wasn't about "attack AJ" or "attack G101"...it was a sarcastic way to have some fun with shitman - I mean shilton or hitman, sorry :)
 
What AJ SHOULD Do!

He should ask that Mr. Hilton be kept from posting on this board or at least not permit him to talk about the inner workings of their station. Mr. Hilton should stick to topics of a more general nature. Frankly, openly speaking about a company's business in the public forum is, in general, a no-no.
 
Re: What AJ SHOULD Do!

I could do that, but I don't feel that I should have to parent the staff. I agree that there are things that I wish Steve wouldn't post, but there is really nothing I can do about it. As I have stated before, his comments do not reflect the station as a whole.



> He should ask that Mr. Hilton be kept from posting on this
> board or at least not permit him to talk about the inner
> workings of their station. Mr. Hilton should stick to
> topics of a more general nature. Frankly, openly speaking
> about a company's business in the public forum is, in
> general, a no-no.
>
 
Attn: Kilawatt

we rookies need you to explain this to us and shed a little insight on why this is a good thing or not...and for those of us who know nothing…please explain
this condensed market thingie.

Kilawatt, as a consultant I'd be happy to explain it to you. Send me an email to [email protected]. Include a phone number of you want and I'll call and explain the rolling averages to you.
 
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