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Weather Channel zero credibility.

Wednesday morning we are having a big wind storm here is St. Louis. I decide to see what is happening around the country and turn on the Weather Channel about 9:30. They have two "live" reports from a couple of locations in Iowa. The problem is, it is dark. Night time dark. Dark at 9:30 AM in Iowa? I don't think so. At 9:45, we go to a "live" report from NYC. Guess what? It's dark in New York at 10:45 EST.

At least Bozo the Roker was off that day.
 
Probably because "Wake Up with Al" for some reason only known to NBC has their 6am broadcast repeated at 10am. Which makes absolutely no sense at all because weather doesn't hold out for a tape delay.

And all this week while weather has been breaking out all week, they have not broken into their taped programming at all in the afternoon. Yet that means they have plenty of time to do weather cut-ins for MSNBC through the afternoon because they can't talk about it on the main channel?

How is it that NBC has the uncanny ability to destroy any cable channel they get their hands on (besides USA, which somehow managed the miracle of folding in great people) within a matter of months? Look at the evidence;

-Bravo went from being an arts channel to pretty much a pop culture/reality show channel within two years.
-Trio went from a little-viewed quirky little network...to now being Sleuth and becoming yet another repository of SVU repeats.
-Oxygen at least had a modicum in their Oprah-ownership era of a need to empowering women. Now with the "Bad Girls Club", the "Naughty Chef" and "Dance Your A** Off", they're off a deep end not even WeTV will compete for and Lifetime laughs at and just blissfully ignores.
-ShopNBC went from the third-rate shopping network among QVC and HSN to complete obscurity, even with the death of Shop at Home and the pathetic presentation of Jewelry Television (I don't even think NBC knows they own it).
-And many threads, sites and articles have documented the rise-fall-rise-fall of Sci-Fi/SyFy.

But The Weather Channel's fall has been amazingly fast. Local weather subchannels are making strong pushes to make up for when they are in tape, the internet is coming on strong, and the exodus of Landmark-era staff from the network has been stunning. Now with this Al Roker push where they are pulling dangerous moves (such as taped programming replacing live weather coverage), along with their mainline coverage no longer fully based on the weather, NBC has completely dropped the ball on TWC.
 
DToTheJ said:
Don't forget the Friday night movie experiment. I say "experiment" because it seems that they are no longer scheduling films on Friday nights, at least in the near future. Here are tonight's listings:
http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=58812&channel=362

Interesting. Having movies on TWC made it into a real joke! I mean, showing Misery on there? Only a coked-up idiot would have thought that was a great idea. Let's hope it's for good, although it does nothing about all of the other shows that they air in place of actual weather reporting. The schedule is still full of 'em.

LynnW said:
Wednesday morning we are having a big wind storm here is St. Louis. I decide to see what is happening around the country and turn on the Weather Channel about 9:30. They have two "live" reports from a couple of locations in Iowa. The problem is, it is dark. Night time dark. Dark at 9:30 AM in Iowa? I don't think so. At 9:45, we go to a "live" report from NYC. Guess what? It's dark in New York at 10:45 EST.

At least Bozo the Roker was off that day.

Mrschimpf is exactly right, in NBC's raging hormonal urge to get Roker in front of EVERYONE, they have elected to air 3 hour old tape in place of live weather. And, they've done it from day one of this ill-conceived morning mess. Anyone with a lick of common sense will tell you that it's a dumb idea for the reasons spelled out in your quote. But, nobody at NBC cares.

Honestly, as much as I hate Comcast - NBC Universal is one company where having Comcast take over is actually a good thing. All I can say is that I hope they fire a lot of people in the programming division. And no severance for them either - especially that lowlife who thought that showing warmed-over movies from Bravo on TWC was a great idea!!
 
I just wish they would make good on their promise to show "local on the 8s." I can't tell you how many times there has been serious weather in the area, I switch over "on the 8s," and I see some pre-recorded poorly-acted docudrama about some people out in the sticks who got their shed blown over by a windstorm.

If you're going to say that you do "local on the 8s," then do local on the 8s!
 
Memo to Comcast:

The Weather Channel has pretty much become completely useless. Once you officially take over at NBC Universal, here's what I think you should do to salvage something out of the mess the whole thing has become:

1) Understand that weather.com is the primary brand, not the cable channel.

2) Roll out a completely revamped and redesigned weather.com that looks more 2010 than 2005. [You could have it designed and developed by the people who created the current version of msnbc.com, if you want.]

3) Dump the movies and documentary shows from the cable channel. It won't save the channel long-term, but it'll at least slow the bleeding.

4) Think long and hard about whether the cable channel is even worth keeping around at all.

If you take these steps -- particularly the first two -- the Weather.com/TWC brand should continue to be viable for years to come.

Sincerely,
A concerned web enthusiast
 
Man, I stopped watching the Weather Channel about 4 years ago after they decided to hype up Jim Cantore's lame a** to the front of the gate when all he did was report weather from the field...

I don't even pay attention to TWC anymore or practically any NBC-Universal channel or entity.
 
The Weather Channel has a number of issues that need to be addressed for it to regain relevance. This channel has lost its way.

First off, we all seem to agree that the movies, docudramas and other long-form programming needs to go. Trash 'em. That's a given, so we'll leave it at that.

So, when they're actually showing weather there are other problems that have rendered this channel difficult to watch. For one thing, the commercial load is so heavy that, during some 10 minute segments, you get 2:30 of weather, 2:00 of local on the 8's, and 5:30 of spots! It's so bad that I decided to time it out one day and that's how it was. Other segments feature more like 3:00 or 3:30 of weather, but it still adds up to between 50% or 55% of the time. And that timing includes some anchor-delivered non-sense that isn't always relevant. All in all, weather reporting has been trimmed down to a small slice of any given hour on this channel. This has been the dirty little secret which is why a lot of people no longer watch - not enough relevant weather reporting.

How to change it? Well, perhaps getting back to basics would help. TWC's Weatherscan service, offered on many digital cable systems, is more relevant and useful to most of us than the main channel. Yes, it's perhaps a little too bare-bones in some ways - but it gets the job done. However, it's no good for travel - which is a popular reason for people to tune into the Weather Channel. Perhaps an approach like the Weather Network does up in Canada and, as the Weather Channel used to do here: stick with the weather. Lots of local cut-ins and little else but weather and a few spots. Without a lot of the filler and without trying to be too many things to too many people, budgets can be trimmed and spot time can be rolled back a bit. That would help a lot. This is a service channel, so you need to be not more than 90 seconds away from weather content at any given time. That's the unspoken consumer expectation. Do that and you'll have more viewers and they will stick around longer (something that is tough to do as it stands now).

As for the competition, it's still at ground zero. Those network O & O subchannels with weather are still a joke. They're taped, clearly low budget and often out of date. Accuweather? Lousy audio/video with 1980s style graphics. NBC local weather? Basically a full-screen radar (between ads) with out of date forecasts delivered by chyron. In a word, they're weak.

TWC still has the field to itself, it just needs to grab the ball and run with it.
 
I want to like TWC, I really do, but they are making it difficult to watch anymore.

Agreed with the commercial load, seems everytime I flip over to it there is just another ad. I know adverts pay the bills, but come on. All this does is turn potintial viewers off. (Why would a channel surfer stick around??)

When I want a local radar I now go on-line, before, I used to go to The Weather Channel. I can log on, type in the addy of a local TV station and bring up their radar, all while TWC is still running ads. (If you do not have internet access, well tough cookies).

And when severe weather breaks out, TWC will be showing a rerun of "It Could Happen Tommorow".
 
My, it seems that I haven't missed anything since I unplugged the cable and cancelled the SATV service 5 years ago. At that time, that schmuck Jim Cantstandyou was just gearing up his oversensationlized, super- hyped weather dramas. Its too bad he didn't get swept away or hit by lightning or flying debris during one of his shoots. That I wouldn't mind watching. But who needs them? If you need weather info, get a NOAA capable weather radio, check the NOAA website on the web or get a multiband emergency battery powered radio. A lot of cable channels, just like radio, are gone and most likely will never return, because the audience that they are directed to does not possess the required cognitive abilities or necessary attention span. If they can't point, click or touch the screen, they don't want it or don't have time to understand it.
 
Scotpfv said:
I want to like TWC, I really do, but they are making it difficult to watch anymore.

Agreed with the commercial load, seems everytime I flip over to it there is just another ad. I know adverts pay the bills, but come on. All this does is turn potintial viewers off. (Why would a channel surfer stick around??)

When I want a local radar I now go on-line, before, I used to go to The Weather Channel. I can log on, type in the addy of a local TV station and bring up their radar, all while TWC is still running ads. (If you do not have internet access, well tough cookies).

And when severe weather breaks out, TWC will be showing a rerun of "It Could Happen Tommorow".

My site of choice; Weather Underground. Has everything that's good about weather.com, only with much more analysis and raw data, and without all the garbage pop-ups and pitches for alternative weather forecasts (who needs a golfcast or a surfcast? Just read the regular forecast and the marine report!)), and what few ads they do have can be turned off for $10 the first year, and $5 each year after.

The thing that bugs me about TWC's mainline coverage is it seems it's becoming where all the light fluffy crap that used to fill time on MSNBC is moving towards TWC. Instead of weather analysis we get stupid human interest stories with little or nothing to do with weather, along with other stuff like the "Bloomberg Money Barometer" (hint; we're not looking to the Weather Channel for stock analysis), while basic items like school day weather and even flight delays are taken out of the rotation or mentioned only in passing.

That and the continuous focus on Stephanie Abrams is driving me nuts. What exactly is so special about her? She looks like every other weekend forecaster in local news.
 
mrschimpf said:
The thing that bugs me about TWC's mainline coverage is ... the continuous focus on Stephanie Abrams is driving me nuts. What exactly is so special about her? She looks like every other weekend forecaster in local news.

Gotta get the male demos somehow...
 
DToTheJ said:
mrschimpf said:
The thing that bugs me about TWC's mainline coverage is ... the continuous focus on Stephanie Abrams is driving me nuts. What exactly is so special about her? She looks like every other weekend forecaster in local news.

Gotta get the male demos somehow...

Of course that is true, but she's not all that, is she? I know she works it pretty hard, but she is far from being the most attractive TV meteorologist - despite what she clearly thinks. Quite far from it.
 
Not only is Abrams not all that, she's 1/100th of that. Nicole Mitchell is hotter (no pun intended).

And I continue to hold my breath waiting for the return of Kristina Abernathy (although towards the end she did look like she was poured into her wardrobe).

ixnay
 
They are also in the process of phasing out instrumental music in favor of vocal pop during the local forecasts. This is despite the "vocal local" narration feature on the Intellistar computers which interferes (which I suspect will be phased out soon).

One of the big stories on The Weather Channel last week was Lady Gaga meeting the Queen of England. No joke. I am waiting for them to announce they will no longer air weather forecasts. TWC has gone downhill in just a few short months time.

In Atlanta, the only other weather option is the remenents of WeatherPlus on WXIA's subchannel, which is just the on-air radar set to wherever the weatherman on duty has it. There is no competition, and there will not be since cable companies would have to purchase and install equipment to generate local forecasts like they do with TWC.
 
ixnay said:
Not only is Abrams not all that, she's 1/100th of that. Nicole Mitchell is hotter (no pun intended).

And I continue to hold my breath waiting for the return of Kristina Abernathy (although towards the end she did look like she was poured into her wardrobe).

ixnay

Since we're leading the thread down this road......

From a purely "looks" perspective, Jackie Guerrido of Univision is tough to beat - she's an absolute knockout: http://makey1965.tripod.com/newswomenpix/jackieguerrido.jpg
 
As I mentioned on the New England TV Board their Standard Definition Feed was off the air last Wednesday on my Comcast System in Bristol, CT. It just happened to be the first snow storm of the Winter Season. The screen was black except for the local weather info scrolling at the bottom of the screen. Then every 10 mins on the 0's Local on the 8s would come on. Then go back to the black screen. The HD feed, which I don't subscribe to (I don't have an HDTV), was fine. I could hear The Weather Channel anchors, the commercials, and Local on the 8s was on the 8s.
 
More and more, the "Wake Up With Al" is serving just to promote all of NBC's awful tv shows. Now we have to sit through Leno segments, Conan monologues, Today show excerpts, all boring. Stephanie Abrams yelling (I agree, she is not attractive) and crew members who do that fake laughing thing off camera when Al tells the usual bad pun. The Weather Channel has really hit a new low. And I have to ask, when they show those movies, what do they do when there's a huge storm happening somewhere at the same time? I guess force viewers to find the information somewhere else.
 
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