The FCC just approved a change in the table of allotments that will "move" 102.7 WEGR to Arlington from their current Memphis city of license. No facility change whas approved for WEGR but I say it may try to move closer to Memphis. A 102.7 allotted to the Florence AL market was moved a further south and away from Memphis so that may open up a WEGR move into town instead of 15 miles out.
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WEGR to Arlington approved
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> The FCC just approved a change in the table of allotments
> that will "move" 102.7 WEGR to Arlington
I have been perplexed by this Arlington move. Certainly, a station wouldn’t change its City of License on a whim (although, arguably, the recent move of 96.3 from Jackson, MS to Madison, MS was such a move). It’s usually part of a larger docket that moves pieces all over the chess board. That being said, I am at a loss here.
I can’t imagine that moving closer to Memphis is the issue. First, the WEGR transmitter used to be closer in; it was moved where it is on purpose. But, be that as it may… if Clear Channel wanted to move west, changing COL to Arlington would be of no help – quite the opposite. One would want a COL to the west. Further, if the issue were co-channel with Alabama, moving west would have been welcome all along.
If the corridor for the allocation allows a westward move (which it may not), it absolutely could do it as a Memphis licensee.
Usually, when a station changes COL, it is trying to do one of two things:
1. Move closer to a town it wants to serve in a “leap-frog” move. A recent example is the move to Munford of 98.9. That is clearly NOT the case here. Memphis is the target.
2. Replace a signal that is moving out. Generally, one can’t change a COL unless the abandoned city has another station. A recent example is the paper move of Birmingham, AL/106.9 to Homewood, AL, so 97.3 could move to Gardendale and upgrade to a C2.
I am sure there is a reason; I just don’t see it yet. Perhaps someone with the station can illuminate us.
Hmmm...
DE
> that will "move" 102.7 WEGR to Arlington
I have been perplexed by this Arlington move. Certainly, a station wouldn’t change its City of License on a whim (although, arguably, the recent move of 96.3 from Jackson, MS to Madison, MS was such a move). It’s usually part of a larger docket that moves pieces all over the chess board. That being said, I am at a loss here.
I can’t imagine that moving closer to Memphis is the issue. First, the WEGR transmitter used to be closer in; it was moved where it is on purpose. But, be that as it may… if Clear Channel wanted to move west, changing COL to Arlington would be of no help – quite the opposite. One would want a COL to the west. Further, if the issue were co-channel with Alabama, moving west would have been welcome all along.
If the corridor for the allocation allows a westward move (which it may not), it absolutely could do it as a Memphis licensee.
Usually, when a station changes COL, it is trying to do one of two things:
1. Move closer to a town it wants to serve in a “leap-frog” move. A recent example is the move to Munford of 98.9. That is clearly NOT the case here. Memphis is the target.
2. Replace a signal that is moving out. Generally, one can’t change a COL unless the abandoned city has another station. A recent example is the paper move of Birmingham, AL/106.9 to Homewood, AL, so 97.3 could move to Gardendale and upgrade to a C2.
I am sure there is a reason; I just don’t see it yet. Perhaps someone with the station can illuminate us.
Hmmm...
DE
> Hmmm...
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Remember, this is the age of consolidation. Maybe CC has a dark room where the CC engineers have figured out that by moving 'EGR's COL it will allow a dominoe effect which will benefit some CC station elsewhere. Who knows?
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Remember, this is the age of consolidation. Maybe CC has a dark room where the CC engineers have figured out that by moving 'EGR's COL it will allow a dominoe effect which will benefit some CC station elsewhere. Who knows?
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Another reason that doesn't apply here is a station that changes its city of license because it's a move-in that doesn't want to be identified with its old city. As I understand it, 97.5 in Houston is changing its city of license, but nothing else, because it wants to completely erase its former identity as a Beaumont station.
I also seem to remember what's now WTMI 1290 changing its city of license from Hartford, CT to West Hartford due some tax breaks it was offerred. However, I believe it had to do more than just change its city of license, like broadcast from West Hartford for a certain amount of time per week or month, to get those tax breaks. Since Clear Channel has just moved to its current studios near the old Mall of Memphis, that's not likely the case here either.
Also, don't forget WWOR-TV changed its COL from New York to Secaucus, NJ because it was to become the only VHF TV station licensed to New Jersey. Its licenses were being challenged, and RKO found a little known loophole in the rules that required the FCC to automatically renew the license of any station that was the only type of its service in its state. Since Tennessee has plenty of FM's, we can bet this isn't the case with WEGR.
So, I'm just as baffled as you are as to why Clear Channel's moving WEGR to Arlington. On the surface of things, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
I also seem to remember what's now WTMI 1290 changing its city of license from Hartford, CT to West Hartford due some tax breaks it was offerred. However, I believe it had to do more than just change its city of license, like broadcast from West Hartford for a certain amount of time per week or month, to get those tax breaks. Since Clear Channel has just moved to its current studios near the old Mall of Memphis, that's not likely the case here either.
Also, don't forget WWOR-TV changed its COL from New York to Secaucus, NJ because it was to become the only VHF TV station licensed to New Jersey. Its licenses were being challenged, and RKO found a little known loophole in the rules that required the FCC to automatically renew the license of any station that was the only type of its service in its state. Since Tennessee has plenty of FM's, we can bet this isn't the case with WEGR.
So, I'm just as baffled as you are as to why Clear Channel's moving WEGR to Arlington. On the surface of things, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > DE
> >
>
> Remember, this is the age of consolidation. Maybe CC has a
> dark room where the CC engineers have figured out that by
> moving 'EGR's COL it will allow a dominoe effect which will
> benefit some CC station elsewhere. Who knows?
>
If their transmitter is at the CC triple tower, then they are already in Arlington. Street addresses out this way are "Arlington", even though the Brunswick post office is in the shadow of the tower.
RG
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> > DE
> >
>
> Remember, this is the age of consolidation. Maybe CC has a
> dark room where the CC engineers have figured out that by
> moving 'EGR's COL it will allow a dominoe effect which will
> benefit some CC station elsewhere. Who knows?
>
If their transmitter is at the CC triple tower, then they are already in Arlington. Street addresses out this way are "Arlington", even though the Brunswick post office is in the shadow of the tower.
RG
> If their transmitter is at the CC triple tower, then they
> are already in Arlington. Street addresses out this way are
> "Arlington", even though the Brunswick post office is in the
> shadow of the tower.
That's true, of course.
But, the transmitter location is not important as long as the station puts a 70 dbu over "most" of the COL. That wasn't a tough trick at the current location for Memphis, and obviously, would be no trouble for Arlington. But, other cities would have worked just as well (watch -- Piperton will get a station someday; it's a convenient city to use as a COL).
I suspect the previous poster is correct in that this must benefit another station in some way. Recall, 101.1 was switched to Olive Branch so 95.7 could move its transmitter for better Memphis service as a new Horn Lake licensee. But, this move casts no such shadow.
It's very interesting. Again, I am sure there is a logical reason; I just haven't found it yet.
DE
> are already in Arlington. Street addresses out this way are
> "Arlington", even though the Brunswick post office is in the
> shadow of the tower.
That's true, of course.
But, the transmitter location is not important as long as the station puts a 70 dbu over "most" of the COL. That wasn't a tough trick at the current location for Memphis, and obviously, would be no trouble for Arlington. But, other cities would have worked just as well (watch -- Piperton will get a station someday; it's a convenient city to use as a COL).
I suspect the previous poster is correct in that this must benefit another station in some way. Recall, 101.1 was switched to Olive Branch so 95.7 could move its transmitter for better Memphis service as a new Horn Lake licensee. But, this move casts no such shadow.
It's very interesting. Again, I am sure there is a logical reason; I just haven't found it yet.
DE
> > The FCC just approved a change in the table of allotments
> > that will "move" 102.7 WEGR to Arlington
>
> I have been perplexed by this Arlington move. Certainly, a
> station wouldn’t change its City of License on a whim
> (although, arguably, the recent move of 96.3 from Jackson,
> MS to Madison, MS was such a move). It’s usually part of a
> larger docket that moves pieces all over the chess board.
> That being said, I am at a loss here.
>
> I can’t imagine that moving closer to Memphis is the issue.
> First, the WEGR transmitter used to be closer in; it was
> moved where it is on purpose. But, be that as it may… if
> Clear Channel wanted to move west, changing COL to Arlington
> would be of no help – quite the opposite. One would want a
> COL to the west. Further, if the issue were co-channel with
> Alabama, moving west would have been welcome all along.
>
> If the corridor for the allocation allows a westward move
> (which it may not), it absolutely could do it as a Memphis
> licensee.
>
> Usually, when a station changes COL, it is trying to do one
> of two things:
>
> 1. Move closer to a town it wants to serve in a “leap-frog”
> move. A recent example is the move to Munford of 98.9.
> That is clearly NOT the case here. Memphis is the target.
>
> 2. Replace a signal that is moving out. Generally, one
> can’t change a COL unless the abandoned city has another
> station. A recent example is the paper move of Birmingham,
> AL/106.9 to Homewood, AL, so 97.3 could move to Gardendale
> and upgrade to a C2.
>
> I am sure there is a reason; I just don’t see it yet.
> Perhaps someone with the station can illuminate us.
>
> Hmmm...
>
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>
I doubt the 102.7 in florence would be a problem anyway since it's a 10w or so translator, I live north of Huntsville AL and can get WEGR quite regularly over here and never have caught a single sign of the florence 102.7 <P ID="signature">______________
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> > that will "move" 102.7 WEGR to Arlington
>
> I have been perplexed by this Arlington move. Certainly, a
> station wouldn’t change its City of License on a whim
> (although, arguably, the recent move of 96.3 from Jackson,
> MS to Madison, MS was such a move). It’s usually part of a
> larger docket that moves pieces all over the chess board.
> That being said, I am at a loss here.
>
> I can’t imagine that moving closer to Memphis is the issue.
> First, the WEGR transmitter used to be closer in; it was
> moved where it is on purpose. But, be that as it may… if
> Clear Channel wanted to move west, changing COL to Arlington
> would be of no help – quite the opposite. One would want a
> COL to the west. Further, if the issue were co-channel with
> Alabama, moving west would have been welcome all along.
>
> If the corridor for the allocation allows a westward move
> (which it may not), it absolutely could do it as a Memphis
> licensee.
>
> Usually, when a station changes COL, it is trying to do one
> of two things:
>
> 1. Move closer to a town it wants to serve in a “leap-frog”
> move. A recent example is the move to Munford of 98.9.
> That is clearly NOT the case here. Memphis is the target.
>
> 2. Replace a signal that is moving out. Generally, one
> can’t change a COL unless the abandoned city has another
> station. A recent example is the paper move of Birmingham,
> AL/106.9 to Homewood, AL, so 97.3 could move to Gardendale
> and upgrade to a C2.
>
> I am sure there is a reason; I just don’t see it yet.
> Perhaps someone with the station can illuminate us.
>
> Hmmm...
>
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>
I doubt the 102.7 in florence would be a problem anyway since it's a 10w or so translator, I live north of Huntsville AL and can get WEGR quite regularly over here and never have caught a single sign of the florence 102.7 <P ID="signature">______________
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> I doubt the 102.7 in florence would be a problem anyway
> since it's a 10w or so translator, I live north of
> Huntsville AL and can get WEGR quite regularly over here and
> never have caught a single sign of the florence 102.7
Florence is not going to remain a translator.
Part of the same docket that requested Arlington requests to add 274A to St. Florian, AL. That's 102.7.
I just don't get why WEGR had to change COL to add St. Florian. I am clearly missing something. But, that wouldn't be the first time.
DE
> since it's a 10w or so translator, I live north of
> Huntsville AL and can get WEGR quite regularly over here and
> never have caught a single sign of the florence 102.7
Florence is not going to remain a translator.
Part of the same docket that requested Arlington requests to add 274A to St. Florian, AL. That's 102.7.
I just don't get why WEGR had to change COL to add St. Florian. I am clearly missing something. But, that wouldn't be the first time.
DE
> > If their transmitter is at the CC triple tower, then they
> > are already in Arlington. Street addresses out this way
> are
> > "Arlington", even though the Brunswick post office is in
> the
> > shadow of the tower.
>
> That's true, of course.
>
> But, the transmitter location is not important as long as
> the station puts a 70 dbu over "most" of the COL. That
> wasn't a tough trick at the current location for Memphis,
> and obviously, would be no trouble for Arlington. But,
> other cities would have worked just as well (watch --
> Piperton will get a station someday; it's a convenient city
> to use as a COL).
>
> I suspect the previous poster is correct in that this must
> benefit another station in some way. Recall, 101.1 was
> switched to Olive Branch so 95.7 could move its transmitter
> for better Memphis service as a new Horn Lake licensee.
> But, this move casts no such shadow.
>
> It's very interesting. Again, I am sure there is a logical
> reason; I just haven't found it yet.
>
> DE
>
As stated many times to move another signal into town it would really be a major undertaking but say for example now Arlington has a 1st service.. no one else can make that claim in a move-in. CC could be working to move say a Jackson stick or something like that later apply to change WEGR again and replace service to Arlington with the Move-in.
i have only really looked at what i think someone could do to move any signals from the south in and they would all involve some frequency swapping and tower moves
Memphis hasn't seen any really complex move-ins like Dallas or Atlanta but I’d say it could get interesting.
> > are already in Arlington. Street addresses out this way
> are
> > "Arlington", even though the Brunswick post office is in
> the
> > shadow of the tower.
>
> That's true, of course.
>
> But, the transmitter location is not important as long as
> the station puts a 70 dbu over "most" of the COL. That
> wasn't a tough trick at the current location for Memphis,
> and obviously, would be no trouble for Arlington. But,
> other cities would have worked just as well (watch --
> Piperton will get a station someday; it's a convenient city
> to use as a COL).
>
> I suspect the previous poster is correct in that this must
> benefit another station in some way. Recall, 101.1 was
> switched to Olive Branch so 95.7 could move its transmitter
> for better Memphis service as a new Horn Lake licensee.
> But, this move casts no such shadow.
>
> It's very interesting. Again, I am sure there is a logical
> reason; I just haven't found it yet.
>
> DE
>
As stated many times to move another signal into town it would really be a major undertaking but say for example now Arlington has a 1st service.. no one else can make that claim in a move-in. CC could be working to move say a Jackson stick or something like that later apply to change WEGR again and replace service to Arlington with the Move-in.
i have only really looked at what i think someone could do to move any signals from the south in and they would all involve some frequency swapping and tower moves
Memphis hasn't seen any really complex move-ins like Dallas or Atlanta but I’d say it could get interesting.
> As stated many times to move another signal into town it
> would really be a major undertaking but say for example now
> Arlington has a 1st service.. no one else can make that
> claim in a move-in. CC could be working to move say a
> Jackson stick or something like that later apply to change
> WEGR again and replace service to Arlington with the
> Move-in.
Well, that's true, of course, but I can't imagine sacrificing a Memphis COL simply to block someone using Arlington for 1st service.
There are several potential COLs of convenience out there that would work just as well. As I mentioned earlier, Piperton is perhaps the best example, if one is looking for an eastern metro COL. It's incorporated, and is right next to Collierville -- handy, if one is looking to locate a class A to the eastern side of Shelby Co.
Perhaps my personal favorite untapped COL is across the line in DeSoto County. Memphis, MS is now a municipality. That would sound great as a top-of-hour ID. On the less esoteric side, Hernando has no licensee.
To the north, Tipton County has a few municipalities that would work well, if needed. Atoka, Brighton, and Mason are without stations.
I am sure there are many others. And, of course, a COL need not be incorporated; but, it helps. There will NEVER be a shortage of places to license one's station; it takes little more than a cluster of huts.
DE
> would really be a major undertaking but say for example now
> Arlington has a 1st service.. no one else can make that
> claim in a move-in. CC could be working to move say a
> Jackson stick or something like that later apply to change
> WEGR again and replace service to Arlington with the
> Move-in.
Well, that's true, of course, but I can't imagine sacrificing a Memphis COL simply to block someone using Arlington for 1st service.
There are several potential COLs of convenience out there that would work just as well. As I mentioned earlier, Piperton is perhaps the best example, if one is looking for an eastern metro COL. It's incorporated, and is right next to Collierville -- handy, if one is looking to locate a class A to the eastern side of Shelby Co.
Perhaps my personal favorite untapped COL is across the line in DeSoto County. Memphis, MS is now a municipality. That would sound great as a top-of-hour ID. On the less esoteric side, Hernando has no licensee.
To the north, Tipton County has a few municipalities that would work well, if needed. Atoka, Brighton, and Mason are without stations.
I am sure there are many others. And, of course, a COL need not be incorporated; but, it helps. There will NEVER be a shortage of places to license one's station; it takes little more than a cluster of huts.
DE
> > As stated many times to move another signal into town it
> > would really be a major undertaking but say for example
> now
> > Arlington has a 1st service.. no one else can make that
> > claim in a move-in. CC could be working to move say a
> > Jackson stick or something like that later apply to change
>
> > WEGR again and replace service to Arlington with the
> > Move-in.
>
> Well, that's true, of course, but I can't imagine
> sacrificing a Memphis COL simply to block someone using
> Arlington for 1st service.
>
> There are several potential COLs of convenience out there
> that would work just as well. As I mentioned earlier,
> Piperton is perhaps the best example, if one is looking for
> an eastern metro COL. It's incorporated, and is right next
> to Collierville -- handy, if one is looking to locate a
> class A to the eastern side of Shelby Co.
>
> Perhaps my personal favorite untapped COL is across the line
> in DeSoto County. Memphis, MS is now a municipality. That
> would sound great as a top-of-hour ID. On the less esoteric
> side, Hernando has no licensee.
>
> To the north, Tipton County has a few municipalities that
> would work well, if needed. Atoka, Brighton, and Mason are
> without stations.
>
> I am sure there are many others. And, of course, a COL need
> not be incorporated; but, it helps. There will NEVER be a
> shortage of places to license one's station; it takes little
> more than a cluster of huts.
>
> DE
>
I guess 1st B'casting doesn't want the challenge of trying to shuffle some folks around and upgrade WVIM before they sell it off.
It would take a frequency change and some shuffling with other stations.. I had a rough idea of a way that you could get it closer to town at one point but it included changes in Holly Springs, Oxford, Starkville and a couple other place and I never really fully wrote it all out to see if it could really be done. 1st was involved in allot of shuffling out in Dallas so they are no stranger to it. Though in the end they probably got paid to move farther from Dallas with 2 of their fm's though neither one really covered even 1/4 of the metroplex.
Off topic when are those AM apps we've been watching supposed to come up? I know we all agree at 1 of them will end up being a dolla a holla stick like 1380 & 1600.
> > would really be a major undertaking but say for example
> now
> > Arlington has a 1st service.. no one else can make that
> > claim in a move-in. CC could be working to move say a
> > Jackson stick or something like that later apply to change
>
> > WEGR again and replace service to Arlington with the
> > Move-in.
>
> Well, that's true, of course, but I can't imagine
> sacrificing a Memphis COL simply to block someone using
> Arlington for 1st service.
>
> There are several potential COLs of convenience out there
> that would work just as well. As I mentioned earlier,
> Piperton is perhaps the best example, if one is looking for
> an eastern metro COL. It's incorporated, and is right next
> to Collierville -- handy, if one is looking to locate a
> class A to the eastern side of Shelby Co.
>
> Perhaps my personal favorite untapped COL is across the line
> in DeSoto County. Memphis, MS is now a municipality. That
> would sound great as a top-of-hour ID. On the less esoteric
> side, Hernando has no licensee.
>
> To the north, Tipton County has a few municipalities that
> would work well, if needed. Atoka, Brighton, and Mason are
> without stations.
>
> I am sure there are many others. And, of course, a COL need
> not be incorporated; but, it helps. There will NEVER be a
> shortage of places to license one's station; it takes little
> more than a cluster of huts.
>
> DE
>
I guess 1st B'casting doesn't want the challenge of trying to shuffle some folks around and upgrade WVIM before they sell it off.
It would take a frequency change and some shuffling with other stations.. I had a rough idea of a way that you could get it closer to town at one point but it included changes in Holly Springs, Oxford, Starkville and a couple other place and I never really fully wrote it all out to see if it could really be done. 1st was involved in allot of shuffling out in Dallas so they are no stranger to it. Though in the end they probably got paid to move farther from Dallas with 2 of their fm's though neither one really covered even 1/4 of the metroplex.
Off topic when are those AM apps we've been watching supposed to come up? I know we all agree at 1 of them will end up being a dolla a holla stick like 1380 & 1600.
WEGR, snow, and other stuff
> Off topic when are those AM apps we've been watching
> supposed to come up? I know we all agree at 1 of them will
> end up being a dolla a holla stick like 1380 & 1600.
Neither one -- 830 (move-in) and 1550/Germantown -- has reached the "Accepted for Filing" stage. The most recent version of 830's application was only filed in October. It's gonna be a while.
I am wondering, too, when the LPFM in Collierville will get on the air. The CP has been out for quite some time. And, come on, how long should it take to construct? My ham buddies and I could do it in a weekend. Heck, I could have an antenna built and hardline in hand by the end of the day. It's on an existing tower for gosh sakes...
And, an aside... I see that the Channel 14 TV CP is changing hands. I suspect, though don't know, that when it comes on, it will come on as digital. 'Seems silly to construct it analog, just to shut it down in a couple of years.
And, all the translator apps. are still pending. FCC is in go-slow mode on those right now.
One other small bit of info... I understand WKNO-FM should have HD by mid-to-late Summer.
OK, off to the store to buy milk and bread. It's about to snow, and, as a Memphian, I buy those items when it snows. But, like most Memphians, I have no idea why.
DE
> Off topic when are those AM apps we've been watching
> supposed to come up? I know we all agree at 1 of them will
> end up being a dolla a holla stick like 1380 & 1600.
Neither one -- 830 (move-in) and 1550/Germantown -- has reached the "Accepted for Filing" stage. The most recent version of 830's application was only filed in October. It's gonna be a while.
I am wondering, too, when the LPFM in Collierville will get on the air. The CP has been out for quite some time. And, come on, how long should it take to construct? My ham buddies and I could do it in a weekend. Heck, I could have an antenna built and hardline in hand by the end of the day. It's on an existing tower for gosh sakes...
And, an aside... I see that the Channel 14 TV CP is changing hands. I suspect, though don't know, that when it comes on, it will come on as digital. 'Seems silly to construct it analog, just to shut it down in a couple of years.
And, all the translator apps. are still pending. FCC is in go-slow mode on those right now.
One other small bit of info... I understand WKNO-FM should have HD by mid-to-late Summer.
OK, off to the store to buy milk and bread. It's about to snow, and, as a Memphian, I buy those items when it snows. But, like most Memphians, I have no idea why.
DE
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