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Weirdest beliefs about TV among the (non-geek) "laity?"

The denizens of this board know a lot about television -- its technology, programming, business practices, etc. -- because it is our passion. But the average Joe or Jane who just turns on the magic box to be entertained often has some incomplete, misunderstood, or just plain wrong notions about the medium.

One example concerns VCRs. They became widespread, and owners grooved on the ability to record programs in absentia for later viewing, or to record one program while watching another, yet with a very limited understanding of how the process works. Many users believed that the unit had to be connected to the TV not just for playback, but for recording. Some even believed that the TV must be on for the VCR to record a program.

This belief is not hard to understand, if you look at the closest related predecessor technology -- home audio tape recorders that were used to tape radio station broadcasts. You had an audio source (a stereo amp or tuner), feeding a tape recorder via line-level audio output (the ubiquitous RCA phono jacks and cables). In this case, yes, the source had to be both present and powered to make a recording.

But the VCR concept, with its self-contained RF tuner, was a different animal, yet many never caught on to the distinction. I had many conversations with such folks over the years, trying to get them to understand that a VCR was, basically, a TV receiver in and of itself (just lacking its own display screen), and could record just fine whether it was hooked to a TV or not, and whether said TV was on or off. One co-worker, whom I knew relied on OTA reception for his TV, became indignant and condescending about my explanation, and challenged me sarcastically. "Well, it it's not hooked to the TV, where does it get the picture -- out of thin air?" My smiling, triumphant cry of "YES!!!" just left him shaking his head, as befuddled as Costello was with Abbott's "Who's on first?" logic.....

Another example is the inability to distinguish between network, syndicated, and local shows. To the average layperson, channel X is "NBC," channel Y is "CBS," etc., regardless of what is actually being broadcast at any given time. This confusion became more common when cable began to bring into our homes channels that were uniform and homogenous (save for any time-zone shifts) across the country.

One young lady that worked for me when I lived in Tallahassee is a prime example. At the time, there were two NBC affiliates carried on cable: local WTWC, and Albany, Georgia's WALB. The latter was more or less "grandfathered" into the cable lineup because it had been the de facto NBC affiliate for so many years prior to WTWC's sign-on. (And they somehow eluded the normal requirements to "blackout" network programming to protect the local affiliate.) Confused this poor girl no end that there were two "NBCs" on her cable, but sometimes they had different shows on at the same time. I tried to explain the concept of network affiliation, the fact that the broadcast networks do not send out programming 24/7, and so forth, yet it was still a mystery to her why she would get Oprah on one and Sally on the other. My repeated explanation of the distinction between the two channels, that they were "separate and unequal" affiliates in different markets, etc., would only elicit her oft-sputtered protest ("But they're both NBC!!") and leave her scratching her head.

What are some other misguided, misunderstood, or just plain weird ideas that you have encountered about TV among the non-geek population?
 
I can remember back in the 70's when our town first got HBO, people outside the city limits were searching all the channels they coud get ( as in the over the air stations of course ) trying to find this thing called..HBO. They really had no idea one needed CABLE to get it.

Back in 1999 I had Direct TV installed at my house..and I lived inside city limits. Very laughable now but I actually had neighbors calling up the local Adelphia Cable Company AND THE CITY POLICE...reporting me because they felt I was "breaking the law" by installing a dish at my house since I "lived in the city". Why? Because these poor souls had this strange idea that only those who lived in areas who can't get cable were allowed to have a dish regardless if it was direct TV or one of those big dishes that some folks ahd back then.

Of course there was that "I heard from so and so that...." crowd. In other words they hear things from other people about stuff they had heard about TV and assume it was fact and then they spread the news. Like the "hot rumor" in the late 70s saying that by the mid 80's hardcore sex would be as commonplace on regular TV as game shows were/are. Remember when Hustler Magazine publisher Larry Flynt was supposed to buy CBS? A lot of people believed it ! Ah yeah...LOL

Similar to the rumors back in the 80s were the "F" word would be commonplace on rock & roll radio by 1990. A lot of folks believed that too, nevermind the fact that there is this group of people called the FCC.
 
mleach said:
Back in 1999 I had Direct TV installed at my house..and I lived inside city limits. Very laughable now but I actually had neighbors calling up the local Adelphia Cable Company AND THE CITY POLICE...reporting me because they felt I was "breaking the law" by installing a dish at my house since I "lived in the city". Why? Because these poor souls had this strange idea that only those who lived in areas who can't get cable were allowed to have a dish regardless if it was direct TV or one of those big dishes that some folks ahd back then.

And, of course, if you happened to have a larger than normal TV antenna, or multiple antennas (for DXing or out-of-market viewing), you were automatically assumed to be the source of any interference seen on neighbors' sets. Never mind that the real source was the redneck biker two blocks away (the one with the car up on blocks, 4 mangy dogs in the yard, and the rebel flag on the front door) running his CB and illegal 1000-watt linear into a huge beam hidden in his pecan tree. Your protests that you are not transmitting anything would fall on deaf ears -- lines and squiggles on my TV, guy next door with funny-lookin' antennas, gotta be him....
 
Re the idea that Channel X is NBC, Channel Y is CBS, etc.,
I've found that idea particularly common among people I've
met from New York (I don't want to include all New Yorkers),
but I've known some that think that anything broadcast on
Channel 2 is a CBS program, on Channel 4 an NBC program,
on Channel 7 an ABC program, whether it is or not.

I'm not from New York but I find myself identifying Channel 2
(WFMY) as CBS, Channel 8 (WGHP) as Fox, Channel 12 (WXII)
as NBC, and Channel 45 (WXLV) as ABC; perhaps it's a just a
shorthand way of establishing identification, and it's easier than
to try to explain "affiliation" to people who don't necessarily
understand the term (if you lived where I do, you'd see what I
mean).
 
bpatrick said:
Re the idea that Channel X is NBC, Channel Y is CBS, etc.,
I've found that idea particularly common among people I've
met from New York (I don't want to include all New Yorkers),
but I've known some that think that anything broadcast on
Channel 2 is a CBS program, on Channel 4 an NBC program,
on Channel 7 an ABC program, whether it is or not.

Ran into that very problem many years ago when a dingy aunt from suburban northern Joisey came to visit us in Orlando. She could not even begin to grasp why "channel 2" here wasn't the same as "channel 2" back home. I guess she shrugged off channel 6, since there was no NYC corollary, and for whatever reason we (thankfully) never get around to discussing channel 9. (Although, for all I know she may have been frustrated trying to find the Million Dollar Movie when I wasn't around...)

The "channel X is NBC, channel Y is CBS, etc." thing is also why viewers go bananas when there is a network switch. I read on another board that when Seattle had their big multi-channel network swap some years back, the first post-switch Nielsens showed every station involved in the swap had lost viewers -- the only station that gained was the one affiliate that didn't change. I guess in the midst of having their TV world turned upside-down, they clung to the one channel-network combo that they still recognized. Seems silly, but such change can really upset people. (Hey, when my favorite Chinese buffet changed hands and went Mexican, I was a basket case...) ;-)
 
bpatrick said:
Re the idea that Channel X is NBC, Channel Y is CBS, etc.,
I've found that idea particularly common among people I've
met from New York (I don't want to include all New Yorkers),
but I've known some that think that anything broadcast on
Channel 2 is a CBS program, on Channel 4 an NBC program,
on Channel 7 an ABC program, whether it is or not.

Come to think of it, we can almost excuse that in NYC (and in certain other major markets), considering that the stations in question are longstanding O&Os of their respective networks. Given that ownership, there is at least a nebulous footnote of justification to the "anything broadcast on channel 2 is a CBS program, on channel 4 an NBC program, etc." assertion that makes it, to a limited and nitpicky extent, sorta kinda true. (Or "truthy," as Messr. Colbert might say...) :-()
 
Stanislav said:
The "channel X is NBC, channel Y is CBS, etc." thing is also why viewers go bananas when there is a network switch. I read on another board that when Seattle had their big multi-channel network swap some years back, the first post-switch Nielsens showed every station involved in the swap had lost viewers -- the only station that gained was the one affiliate that didn't change.

Are you sure you are talking about Seattle? I don't think they went through a network swap in that market but Phoenix OTOH did and I do remember reading in USA Today about a year or two after that switch that said that KPNX-TV channel 12 ( NBC ) the only station that didn't switch did have a gain of viewers. Of course KPNX is part of the Gannett family ( I believe ) and so is the USA Today for that matter..I guess take it for what its worth.

Also aren't most stations that are on "channel 13" affilated with ABC?
 
mleach said:
Are you sure you are talking about Seattle? I don't think they went through a network swap in that market but Phoenix OTOH did and I do remember reading in USA Today about a year or two after that switch that said that KPNX-TV channel 12 ( NBC ) the only station that didn't switch did have a gain of viewers.

Yes, Phoenix, the "night of the long knives" for TV broadcasting.

KTVK (3) ABC became an indy and continues to struggle with estrogen-loaded programming.
KPHO (5) an excellent indy became CBS.
KSAZ (10) lost CBS and became Fox.
 
In writing my Blog on Vintage Cleveland Broadcasting for about 2 and a half years now, Ive had mostly TV fans as well as Broadcasters, both current and retired, read and respond to things on the blog..

For 55 years the three network VHF affiliates in the Cleveland area have been 3, 5 and 8. before 1954 Channels 3 and 8 were 4 and 9, respectively. I had a commenter write a few weeks ago that Channel 3 was always 3 and 8 was always 8, regardless of what myself and others have said referring to the different channel numbers on occasion.As well as early ads for channels 4 and 9 on the blog..

That commenter inspred me to create a new site..A Cleveland area TV Log..Current and Historical information and timelines on every TV station in the Northeast Ohio Market..

http://northeastohiotvlog.blogspot.com/

It is a work in progress..and will be for awhile..

On another note, I wouldnt be surprised if a few people still think WJW-TV 8 is CBS, even after 15 years..
 
Having lived in or near Indiana most of my life, the issues with Indiana's non-observance of Daylight Savings Time (until recently) and what time TV shows came on was always interesting. For years prime time in Indiana was 8-11 in winter, 7-10 in summer. Everyone pretty much got used to that. Slowly, stations used alternate satellite feeds or tape delay to keep the same schedule year round. The first station to do this was WTHR, Indianapolis which latched on to a mountain time feed of NBC. Soon all of Indianapolis got the necesary equipment to follow suit, as well as Lafayette. Later Terre Haute, Ft. Wayne and I think even South Bend did the same thing. One problem remained..live news bulletins. Tryto explain that to anyone.3

I was working at WLFI in Lafayette the night Nixon died. "Picket Fences" was very popular then. Of course we were recording "Picket Fences" from 9-10pm for playback from 10-11. 9:40 EST CBS goes to live coverage of Nixon's death and a special report, lopping off the last 20 min. of Picket Fences. We took the report live, then went to the recording of "Picket Fences"(I think we finished the 9pm show after the report).Off course with no explanation the show just ends. Phones ring off the hook and the GM tries to record an editorial explaining what happened. He gave up.
 
Years ago someone wrote a letter to TV Guide asking why Channel 2 was CBS in New York, but NBC in her FLAHrida retirement community. ::)
 
Stanislav said:
And, of course, if you happened to have a larger than normal TV antenna, or multiple antennas (for DXing or out-of-market viewing), you were automatically assumed to be the source of any interference seen on neighbors' sets. Never mind that the real source was the redneck biker two blocks away (the one with the car up on blocks, 4 mangy dogs in the yard, and the rebel flag on the front door) running his CB and illegal 1000-watt linear into a huge beam hidden in his pecan tree. Your protests that you are not transmitting anything would fall on deaf ears -- lines and squiggles on my TV, guy next door with funny-lookin' antennas, gotta be him....

So true !!!!!

the funny thing is back in the late 70's until about 1983..in my neighborhood we actually had a pirate radio station that was located about 5 blocks from my house which DID cause at least some interference at my house. The station was on 98.1 and yes their signal was heard on TV..on channel 6 ( I remember picking them up on my small B/W TV set in the early 80's ). Yet despite being a priate..they stayed on the air for a number of years. How? Because at the time the other two big stations in my town were so terrible ( one was robojock country and the other was southern gospel) and this station was doing top 40 in stereo and since the pirate actually had sounded better people at the time would rather put up with it than do something about it. And yes the other stations in town knew about it too..and yet they did NOTHING !! Why? Well the pirate was owned by a very popular TV repair shop and that business also spent a ton of money on advertising on the two main commerical stations in town so if the two licensed stations would had got together to shut them down ( which they could have ) then they would lose all that advertising money which back then we are talking a LOT of cash. and besides the pirate was at a position on the dial which caused no interence to them anyway plus the singal stayed within the city limits so the other stations in the other nearby towns wasn't affected.

And the priate had jingles !!!

"...Hit..Radio..98...W..O..T.O....F ..M....Cornwells TV....Winchester...Virgin..Ahhhhhh !!'.

A classic example of..well money talks !!!

Either way it can't be done today.
 
Stanislav said:
Another example is the inability to distinguish between network, syndicated, and local shows. To the average layperson, channel X is "NBC," channel Y is "CBS," etc., regardless of what is actually being broadcast at any given time.

I ran across SO much of this when I was younger, mainly in the east TX (Tyler/Longview) market. "Oprah is an ABC show." NO, it's not. "Wheel of Fortune is on ABC." NO, it's not.

What are some other misguided, misunderstood, or just plain weird ideas that you have encountered about TV among the non-geek population?

Here's one that others might have run across. In a market like Tyler/Longview has been, there would be 1 (or maybe 2) stations serving the whole market that could cherry-pick among all networks for a looooonng period of time--long enough to cause those who'd been in the market for most of their lives to become creatures of habit. Entertainment shows, newscasts, didn't matter. After the CBS (since flipped to Fox) station came along in 1984, then the NBC station in 1987, you might think at least a few were open-minded about the new choices. NO, those habits were etched in stone. Even today, with all but PBS available, and a replacement CBS station in the last few years, and all major affils with newscast choices, the original all-in-ones (now both primary ABC affils) are still the ratings-getters. I even went to the trouble in the mid-late 1990s to get my grandmother a better antenna to replace a tiny one that wouldn't pick up across the road. Wow, that antenna to me, was like a breath of fresh air. Not only could you pick up most stations in the east TX market, but many in the surrounding markets. It was likely the best TV reception to ever come through that house. The NBC station's signal was so good, it looked like the studio was in the next room (their tower was about 5 miles away). You'd think my grandmother would feel liberated. Oh, NO. We all can guess which station she STILL watched. Anytime I read something about viewing habits in that market now, just irritating!! Umm, there are *choices* now!!! There is more than 1 number on a remote, much less the up-down channel buttons... *ugghh*
 
mleach said:
Stanislav said:
The "channel X is NBC, channel Y is CBS, etc." thing is also why viewers go bananas when there is a network switch. I read on another board that when Seattle had their big multi-channel network swap some years back, the first post-switch Nielsens showed every station involved in the swap had lost viewers -- the only station that gained was the one affiliate that didn't change.

Are you sure you are talking about Seattle? I don't think they went through a network swap in that market but Phoenix OTOH did and I do remember reading in USA Today about a year or two after that switch that said that KPNX-TV channel 12 ( NBC ) the only station that didn't switch did have a gain of viewers. Of course KPNX is part of the Gannett family ( I believe ) and so is the USA Today for that matter..I guess take it for what its worth.

You are correct, sir...I was referring to Phoenix, but my addled brain confused it with Seattle. Such is the memory of the weary 50-ish TV geek. Hey, both cities have seven letters, and both are out West, so I was in the ballpark...



Also aren't most stations that are on "channel 13" affilated with ABC?
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mleach said:
Also aren't most stations that are on "channel 13" affilated with ABC?

A lot of channel 7's, too, as in the original O&Os and some affiliates that used the classic ABC "Circle 7" logo. Plus some that were not even ON RF channel 7, like Naples' WEVU (now WZVN) which, though on UHF channel 26 in the analog era, from early on promoted themselves as "ABC 7," complete with the famous logo, due to their consistent placement on channel 7 on area cable systems. They pretty much never even mentioned their actual UHF channel except in legal sign-on/sign-off announcements. (Following suit, WBBH-20 was "NBC 2" and WFTX-36 "Fox 4" in response. Sort of a precursor on the current "virtual channel" madness of DTV.)

Don't forget, in the earliest days of TV, even the upper reaches of the VHF hi-band was sort of pushing the envelope of the capabilities of the technology, never mind the even more exotic and lofty UHF spectrum. Lo-band was considered superior, propagating better, more "bang for the buck" (equivalent coverage with much less transmitter power output), etc. ABC, by virtue of their late start in the TV game, got "stuck" in many cases with an "inferior" hi-band channel because most of the plum 2-6 slots were already spoken for.

Of course, now the situation is completely topsy-turvy in the DTV era, with lo-band VHF avoided in most cases like the plague, hi-VHF experiencing reception and coverage problems, and UHF now being considered the "superior" band for DTV signals.
 
gr8oldies said:
I was working at WLFI in Lafayette the night Nixon died. "Picket Fences" was very popular then. Of course we were recording "Picket Fences" from 9-10pm for playback from 10-11. 9:40 EST CBS goes to live coverage of Nixon's death and a special report, lopping off the last 20 min. of Picket Fences. We took the report live, then went to the recording of "Picket Fences"(I think we finished the 9pm show after the report).Off course with no explanation the show just ends. Phones ring off the hook and the GM tries to record an editorial explaining what happened. He gave up.

I understand that sort of problem is endemic in the 50th State, where breaking news, specials, or sporting events carried live end up deep-sixing scheduled network shows that normally would have aired (on a tape-delayed basis) hours later by local clock time. In fact, Hawaiian affiliates often had to craft their own custom pre-emption announcements for such situations. There's a YouTube clip of KGMB with a cobbled-up slide and local announcement to the effect of "Falcon Crest will not be seen tonight due to network pre-emption." Interesting wording, as if to say, "Hey, don't blame us that something you saw hours ago has wiped out your favorite show -- not our fault..."
 
I encounter a lot of people who get a network affiliate
on cable but on a different channel from its broadcast
one. For example, my relatives in Brevard County, FL,
get WFTV (analog, now virtual, 9), the ABC affiliate in
Orlando, on cable channel 7. So to tell them that an ABC
show is on Channel 9 confuses them; to them, ABC is 7,
not 9.

In 1972 TV Guide ran a story about the peculiarities of
programming in the Mountain time zone. One that struck
me as unintentionally funny is the following: Arizona stays
on Mountain Standard Time (three hours behind Eastern Daylight)
in the summer. One night then-President Nixon made a speech at
8 PM (EDT), which is 5 PM in Phoenix. Walter Cronkite followed
at 5:30 in Phoenix; because the broadcast was tape-delayed he's
shown asking his correspondents to speculate on what Nixon would
talk about. The 6 PM local news provided more up-to-date information.

Another time, NBC pre-empted Dinah Shore's morning show (10 AM EDT)
for coverage of a spacewalk. Even though that was 7 AM in Phoenix, Dinah
was pre-empted everywhere that day. So when Dinah was scheduled later
in the morning, Phoenix time, the NBC affiliate was inundated with callers
wanting to know where she was. "She was pre-empted by the spacewalk,"
said the switchboard operators. "But the spacewalk was at 7 AM!" was the
usual reply.
 
NBC used to air the Today show with the hours reversed in the Central Time Zone (eastern and central got the second hour live with Central getting the first hour at 9am eastern). When Pope John Paul 1 passed away a month into office, Central time zone viewers learned that the pope had died at 7:30am, and that the Pope was in critical condition at 8.
 
Stanislav said:
The "channel X is NBC, channel Y is CBS, etc." thing is also why viewers go bananas when there is a network switch. I read on another board that when Seattle had their big multi-channel network swap some years back, the first post-switch Nielsens showed every station involved in the swap had lost viewers -- the only station that gained was the one affiliate that didn't change.

(clearly demonstrating why "virtual channels" and remapping are so important to digital TV!)

Also aren't most stations that are on "channel 13" affilated with ABC?

FWIW, in the analog era, of all stations on a given channel the following proportions were affiliated with each network:

- Channel 2: ABC 28%, CBS 28%, NBC 43%
- Channel 4: ABC 22%, CBS 36%, NBC 42%
- Channel 5: ABC 15%, CBS 45%, NBC 40%
- Channel 7: ABC 43%, CBS 33%, NBC 24%
- Channel 13: ABC 38%, CBS 37%, NBC 25%

When totaled across all channels, (including UHF) the figures are almost exactly even.
 
landtuna said:
mleach said:
Are you sure you are talking about Seattle? I don't think they went through a network swap in that market but Phoenix OTOH did and I do remember reading in USA Today about a year or two after that switch that said that KPNX-TV channel 12 ( NBC ) the only station that didn't switch did have a gain of viewers.

Yes, Phoenix, the "night of the long knives" for TV broadcasting.

KTVK (3) ABC became an indy and continues to struggle with estrogen-loaded programming.
KPHO (5) an excellent indy became CBS.
KSAZ (10) lost CBS and became Fox.

Don't forget KNXV (15), who lost Fox and became ABC. Although I'm sure ABC would like to forget. :-D
 
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