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Well, how interesting is this? (Moving thread upward)

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Isn't it interesting that a whole bunch of people on this board want to tell everyone how terrible the treatment is at Forever Broadcasting?

And then, when actually asked about that so-called bad treatment, everyone backs off?

Oh, but wait, out of respect...yeah right. There are no names here. Generalizing does not "out" anyone.

Seems to me a whole bunch of people want to spew a lot of hot air for whatever reason (jealousy maybe?) and then not have anything to back it up.
 
> Isn't it interesting that a whole bunch of people on this
> board want to tell everyone how terrible the treatment is at
> Forever Broadcasting?
>
> And then, when actually asked about that so-called bad
> treatment, everyone backs off?
>
> Oh, but wait, out of respect...yeah right. There are no
> names here. Generalizing does not "out" anyone.
>
> Seems to me a whole bunch of people want to spew a lot of
> hot air for whatever reason (jealousy maybe?) and then not
> have anything to back it up.
>
You don't have a clue.
 
> Isn't it interesting that a whole bunch of people on this
> board want to tell everyone how terrible the treatment is at
> Forever Broadcasting?
>
> And then, when actually asked about that so-called bad
> treatment, everyone backs off?
>
> Oh, but wait, out of respect...yeah right. There are no
> names here. Generalizing does not "out" anyone.
>
> Seems to me a whole bunch of people want to spew a lot of
> hot air for whatever reason (jealousy maybe?) and then not
> have anything to back it up.
>
I believe I did generalize. I said that my friends and a few acquaintances I know have had less than flattering things to say about the company as a whole. Some of those people work there today, most DO NOT. Many are former employees who left on their own, or were fired for whatever reason. Write it off as sour grapes if you wish, but there seems to be enough sour grapes floating around to make an awful big batch of vinegar.

It is true that no company is perfect and no one can be happy all the time. But whenever you talk to people time and time again who all have similar bad experiences to share, you have to believe that at lease some of it is true.
 
> > Isn't it interesting that a whole bunch of people on this
> > board want to tell everyone how terrible the treatment is
> at
> > Forever Broadcasting?
> >
> > And then, when actually asked about that so-called bad
> > treatment, everyone backs off?
> >
> > Oh, but wait, out of respect...yeah right. There are no
> > names here. Generalizing does not "out" anyone.
> >
> > Seems to me a whole bunch of people want to spew a lot of
> > hot air for whatever reason (jealousy maybe?) and then not
>
> > have anything to back it up.
> >
> You don't have a clue.
>

And she doesn't have a clue because????????
 
> > > Isn't it interesting that a whole bunch of people on
> this
> > > board want to tell everyone how terrible the treatment
> is
> > at
> > > Forever Broadcasting?
> > >
> > > And then, when actually asked about that so-called bad
> > > treatment, everyone backs off?
> > >
> > > Oh, but wait, out of respect...yeah right. There are no
>
> > > names here. Generalizing does not "out" anyone.
> > >
> > > Seems to me a whole bunch of people want to spew a lot
> of
> > > hot air for whatever reason (jealousy maybe?) and then
> not
> >
> > > have anything to back it up.
> > >
> > You don't have a clue.
> >
>
> And she doesn't have a clue because????????

Fetal alcohol syndrome, maybe? Who knows?
 
No sir, I don't have FAS, nor am I clueless. I'll ask it another way. Why do a whole bunch of people want to blast Forever Broadcasting over and over again and then suddenly want to fall silent? Shilton says it's out of respect. I say that's hooey. No one can even give a general occurence that is happening that is so terrible. Are they sticking toothpicks under fingernails on a daily basis and forcing people to work there?

> > > > Isn't it interesting that a whole bunch of people on
> > this
> > > > board want to tell everyone how terrible the treatment
>
> > is
> > > at
> > > > Forever Broadcasting?
> > > >
> > > > And then, when actually asked about that so-called bad
>
> > > > treatment, everyone backs off?
> > > >
> > > > Oh, but wait, out of respect...yeah right. There are
> no
> >
> > > > names here. Generalizing does not "out" anyone.
> > > >
> > > > Seems to me a whole bunch of people want to spew a lot
>
> > of
> > > > hot air for whatever reason (jealousy maybe?) and then
>
> > not
> > >
> > > > have anything to back it up.
> > > >
> > > You don't have a clue.
> > >
> >
> > And she doesn't have a clue because????????
>
> Fetal alcohol syndrome, maybe? Who knows?
>
 
Radio Ink: Forever one of the best!?

A few weeks ago in Radio Ink magazine, Forever Broadcasting was named one of the best radio companies in America to work for. Don't know how they came up with the list--I don't recall seeing the survey. But there they were!

Suffice it to say that there are some people who think it's a great outfit--probably those who fit the culture, get promotions, and get raises.

I personally know a half-dozen former employees who did not enjoy their experience. They've cited a top/down, command & control management style... a low-wage/long-hour situation on the programming side... a rigid high-pressure structure in sales... and a non-compete policy that causes some to feel trapped in their jobs--and resentful when forced out of the radio industry upon leaving the company. In general, an evironment unfriendly to the average employee.

In some companies, it's great to be a chief and lousy to be an indian. Kinda sounds like that might be the case.
 
Re: Radio Ink: Forever one of the best!?

> A few weeks ago in Radio Ink magazine, Forever Broadcasting
> was named one of the best radio companies in America to work
> for. Don't know how they came up with the list--I don't
> recall seeing the survey. But there they were!
>
> Suffice it to say that there are some people who think it's
> a great outfit--probably those who fit the culture, get
> promotions, and get raises.
>
> I personally know a half-dozen former employees who did not
> enjoy their experience. They've cited a top/down, command &
> control management style... a low-wage/long-hour situation
> on the programming side... a rigid high-pressure structure
> in sales... and a non-compete policy that causes some to
> feel trapped in their jobs--and resentful when forced out of
> the radio industry upon leaving the company. In general, an
> evironment unfriendly to the average employee.
>
> In some companies, it's great to be a chief and lousy to be
> an indian. Kinda sounds like that might be the case.
>
Thank you...Pretty much the story I keep hearing over and over again as well. A close friend of mine was once fired because he was asked is anyone had an opinion at a staff meeting...he gave his and it was not liked...so he was sent to the door packing. His response was "You asked if we had questions or concerns" and the reply was that they were wanting to see who was and who was not on the team" Give me a break. Last time I checked its ok to have an opinion in America.

I am sure they treat SOME well...I am sure some are happy...many more seem not to be however. That is my observation from the people I talk to who work for or have worked for the company. I never did so I have to take their word for it. I was out the door long before the ink on the deal for them to buy the place ever dried.

Hitman
 
Re: Radio Ink: Forever one of the best!?

> > A few weeks ago in Radio Ink magazine, Forever
> Broadcasting
> > was named one of the best radio companies in America to
> work
> > for. Don't know how they came up with the list--I don't
> > recall seeing the survey. But there they were!
> >
> > Suffice it to say that there are some people who think
> it's
> > a great outfit--probably those who fit the culture, get
> > promotions, and get raises.
> >
> > I personally know a half-dozen former employees who did
> not
> > enjoy their experience. They've cited a top/down, command
> &
> > control management style... a low-wage/long-hour situation
>
> > on the programming side... a rigid high-pressure structure
>
> > in sales... and a non-compete policy that causes some to
> > feel trapped in their jobs--and resentful when forced out
> of
> > the radio industry upon leaving the company. In general,
> an
> > evironment unfriendly to the average employee.
> >
> > In some companies, it's great to be a chief and lousy to
> be
> > an indian. Kinda sounds like that might be the case.
> >
> Thank you...Pretty much the story I keep hearing over and
> over again as well. A close friend of mine was once fired
> because he was asked is anyone had an opinion at a staff
> meeting...he gave his and it was not liked...so he was sent
> to the door packing. His response was "You asked if we had
> questions or concerns" and the reply was that they were
> wanting to see who was and who was not on the team" Give me
> a break. Last time I checked its ok to have an opinion in
> America.
>
> I am sure they treat SOME well...I am sure some are
> happy...many more seem not to be however. That is my
> observation from the people I talk to who work for or have
> worked for the company. I never did so I have to take their
> word for it. I was out the door long before the ink on the
> deal for them to buy the place ever dried.
>
> Hitman
>

If your close friend had such a varying opinion as to how the station was being run, why did he continue to work there? Wouldn't he be extemely unhappy working is such an environment? From a managerial standpoint, I don't see anything wrong with having a team or group of workers totally committed to the direction of the department or company--it lays a strong foundation for unity and ultimately, success. If somebody is that unhappy with the station, its' direction or programming---move on.

I understand Forever is virtually the only radio gig in town, and if you're disenchanted you can't go out on your own; put up your own stick and directly compete with them, but this is an environment Forever did not create---the FCC and Congress did.

And, its not looking to get any better--the CEO of Clear Channel recently gave a speech lobbying for the FCC and Congress to further deregulate the airwaves, and give them the right to obtain a greater concentration of stations in major markets. He cites competitive pressures from satellite and IPods and the reasoning for obtaining more stations.
 
> No sir, I don't have FAS, nor am I clueless. I'll ask it
> another way. Why do a whole bunch of people want to blast
> Forever Broadcasting over and over again and then suddenly
> want to fall silent? Shilton says it's out of respect. I
> say that's hooey. No one can even give a general occurence
> that is happening that is so terrible. Are they sticking
> toothpicks under fingernails on a daily basis and forcing
> people to work there?
>

Here's what I said in the prior thread:

"Blaming Forever is kinda like blaming Halliburton. For some, they are a convenient target. If I was going to gripe about Forever, it would be about how they treat their people, not the product they put on the air. Then again, we're all free to work where we choose - Forever isn't out there drafting people."

That's my opinion. I don't feel any obligation to justify it to anybody, although I certainly could. We're not having a debate, try as you might to bait people into one.

You'll notice that I made it clear that everybody is free to seek employment where they wish, draconian non-compete agreements not withstanding.
 
Re: Radio Ink: Forever one of the best!?

>
> If your close friend had such a varying opinion as to how
> the station was being run, why did he continue to work
> there? Wouldn't he be extemely unhappy working is such an
> environment? From a managerial standpoint, I don't see
> anything wrong with having a team or group of workers
> totally committed to the direction of the department or
> company--it lays a strong foundation for unity and
> ultimately, success. If somebody is that unhappy with the
> station, its' direction or programming---move on.
>
> I understand Forever is virtually the only radio gig in
> town, and if you're disenchanted you can't go out on your
> own; put up your own stick and directly compete with them,
> but this is an environment Forever did not create---the FCC
> and Congress did.
>
> And, its not looking to get any better--the CEO of Clear
> Channel recently gave a speech lobbying for the FCC and
> Congress to further deregulate the airwaves, and give them
> the right to obtain a greater concentration of stations in
> major markets. He cites competitive pressures from
> satellite and IPods and the reasoning for obtaining more
> stations.
>
Yes I had read that Dave. But I am not 100% sure it will fly seeing how the FCC is already talking about looking into what deregulation has done thus far and perhaps make it easier for minorities and smaller owners to get in on the game.

I know that Forever is just taking advantage of the same ownership rules the companies like Clearchannel is and I suppose if I were in the driver's seat I'd want to own as much as I can also but there comes a point where squeezing fewer choices into the marketplace crosses over into owning a monopoly and this is where the regulations are fatally flawed.

Oh and as for my friend, he was not unhappy all the time. It was a case where the station was launching in a different direction and the staff was asked if people had questions, concerns or comments. I would think maybe they would have taken the opportunity to explain the reasoning for the change and hear out his questions and concerns before canning him but that's at least how I would have planned on handling it anyway.

Hitman
 
Some kind words about Forever

They have a real nice building and a nicely paved parking lot.

Tommy Edwards is a great guy.
 
Re: Some kind words about Forever

> They have a real nice building and a nicely paved parking
> lot.
>
> Tommy Edwards is a great guy.
>
Dave I always did find your wit amusing.

Nice one!!!

Steve
 
Monopoly is a bad thing?

"> I know that Forever is just taking advantage of the same
> ownership rules the companies like Clearchannel is and I
> suppose if I were in the driver's seat I'd want to own as
> much as I can also but there comes a point where squeezing
> fewer choices into the marketplace crosses over into owning
> a monopoly and this is where the regulations are fatally
> flawed."

What regulations? Radio has been in de-regulation now for 25 years. Monopoly is just the end result of unregulated free enterprise. We have elected a president (twice) and a majority of senators and congressmen who are completely dedicated to this principle. Do you disagree with them?
 
Re: Some kind words about Forever

> They have a real nice building and a nicely paved parking
> lot.
>
> Tommy Edwards is a great guy.
> Ditto on Tommy.
 
> No sir, I don't have FAS, nor am I clueless. I'll ask it
> another way. Why do a whole bunch of people want to blast
> Forever Broadcasting over and over again and then suddenly
> want to fall silent? Shilton says it's out of respect. I
> say that's hooey. No one can even give a general occurence
> that is happening that is so terrible. Are they sticking
> toothpicks under fingernails on a daily basis and forcing
> people to work there?


As far as radio stations go, Forever is one of the best to work for. Excellent work environment, great equipment, cool people to work with.

I think that the only bad thing about working at Forever is the low pay...and that is the same as (or even better than) any other station. And of course there is that problem of losing a job at Forever and having to leave the area to find another station to work at.
 
Re: Monopoly is a bad thing?

>
> What regulations? Radio has been in de-regulation now for 25
> years. Monopoly is just the end result of unregulated free
> enterprise. We have elected a president (twice) and a
> majority of senators and congressmen who are completely
> dedicated to this principle. Do you disagree with them?
>
Yes actually I do and I even voted for the guy 2 times. On some of his principals and beliefs, I agree. On this matter (allowing Big business to get bigger) I think we will all see the err or our ways down the road when the mom and pop shops are all gone and there is a Wal-Mart on every corner.

May be a bit extreme, but small business is definately being squeezed out of existance from every direction.

Hitman
 
Re: Monopoly is a bad thing?

> >
> > What regulations? Radio has been in de-regulation now for
> 25
> > years. Monopoly is just the end result of unregulated free
>
> > enterprise. We have elected a president (twice) and a
> > majority of senators and congressmen who are completely
> > dedicated to this principle. Do you disagree with them?
> >
> Yes actually I do and I even voted for the guy 2 times. On
> some of his principals and beliefs, I agree. On this matter
> (allowing Big business to get bigger) I think we will all
> see the err or our ways down the road when the mom and pop
> shops are all gone and there is a Wal-Mart on every corner.
>
> May be a bit extreme, but small business is definately being
> squeezed out of existance from every direction.
>
> Hitman

Monopoly is only a bad thing among the masses when they aren't the ones who hold it. Would you prefer to be the owners of Pepsi and/or Coke or would you prefer to be RC Cola? I think someone else on the board stated this very same quote:

"It's good to be the king"
Mel Brooks...History of the World, Part I

We've been down the road for a long time already. I've seen the err of our ways already. Mom and Pops close down, sweatshop scandals abound, jobs go to China and Mexico. All unfortunate, but, that's life in the world today. It'll take more than just a grassroots effort to change it anytime soon.
 
Re: Monopoly is a bad thing?

"It'll take more than just a grassroots effort to change it anytime soon."


"Soon" is a relative term, but I'll place my wager on the pendulum swinging back the other way within the next 2-to-3 years. They've finally grabbed so much ($$$$) that the "masses" are starting to figure out they've been hoodwinked... and the conservatives are realizing that they've been hoodwinked, too. Lotta talk about social issues... no action... while those in power are raking in millions. The scam has just about run its course...
 
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