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Well...I thought that AE's and GSM's had standards. Oh Well.

In this era of advertising for condoms, strippers, Viagra and hard liquor on the radio....what standards are you referring to?

Mason, Texas sounds a little bit like "dollar-a-holler" territory.

BTW, read all the way to the bottom of the OP. "Discrimination" got the attention of the DPS. The same folks who certified Mr. Keller. Rut-row.

Now, how will the rest of the GOP Presidential candidates use this against Rick Perry? Hide and watch.
 
My question is...what was the sales manager and program director that ok'ed that to be aired thinking?

Is that not just a FCC complaint waiting to happen?
 
I really wonder if this is a problem for the Mason station. Seems to me they could have not taken they guy's money but on the other hand, if he (the client) wants to get himself in hot water, why not take his cash. How is refusing the business any different than the client refusing to instruct certain people? Who knows, there might be quite a few in Mason who agree with him but more likely they are getting a good laugh out of it because they know what the guy is like. I compare this to political spots and fire and brimstone preachers who say they're the ones who are right and everyone else is wrong. It might surprise you that I'm not a big fan of our President and I have known a good number of Muslims over the years and don't have issues with most of them that I've met. I add this because the tendency on such postings is to squeeze me into a liberal or conservative box. And, yes, I know Mason well. If I was in Mason, I'd likely be grabbing any ad dollar I could to keep the station on the air another day. It sure would be a tough haul to gather the cash needed to run a station in that town and beat a salary better than minimum wage, especially after paying the FCC who auctioned the frequency to the highest bidder. There lies the rub: when you shell out $100,000 for a frequency, buy land, pay engineering, equipment, set up studios and look at monthly operating expenses in a county of a few thousand folks, would you go for it to stay afloat?
 
It looks like the big problem is for the advertiser, not the station -- the state is talking about stripping his license for teaching the concealed firearms course. Discrimination on the basis of religion or race is a valid reason for taking his license away.

I can't say that thought breaks my heart -- I'd just as soon know that those who have concealed weapons permits aren't being taught by this particular moron.

As for the station -- what law or regulation did they break by running this ad? It shows questionable judgement on their part, but I'm not sure that they violated anything by accepting the ad.
 
TexasGopher said:
My question is...what was the sales manager and program director that ok'ed that to be aired thinking?

Is that not just a FCC complaint waiting to happen?
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My thought exactly. Even if the station is a "Dollar To Hollar" I would think they would have him omit those parts. But then at Dollar to hollar, it could be the community standards or just not enough people listing to realize it. ;D

-BGH
 
Last time I checked, it's still a free country, so he can run his ad, and the state can take away his license. At least he took a stand in what he believes in.
 
Mason, population 2,000 or so, is in Mason County, population 4,000 give or take; Mason is home to two radio stations, one country and the other oldies. As noted above, it's doubtful this station (the country one, BTW) is going to turn down anything [almost] from paying customers. This is truly dollar-a-holler territory.
 
That's my point exactly. The community is very small and the county population is very small. There are not many advertising prospects out there. Considering the money needed to get a radio station going these days, ir means you have to take every dollar you can get your hands on. And I point out again, with a population this size, everyone knows everyone, so they know this man and what he is like.

I can say the statements were not in 'good taste' but I really do think we have taken this politically correct garbage way too far. I also dislike how politics that become a channel for frustration and hatred. The rhetoric sounds a bit more like two wrestlers about to jump in the ring. Personally, I would think the guy, licensed by the State, should still have the right to refuse anyone he wants. After all, it is his business and his money he uses to run the business. If he wants to turn down business what shouldn't he be able to?

If the radio station disallowed the spot, I wonder if he could have sued them? Could he have claimed they refused him.

Is the State really going to go after him? Why? Is the situation not already solved? Can you name one Obama supporter or Muslim that might want to hand over their hard earned cash to learn how to shoot a gun and get a license through this guy?

Last, what laws or FCC Rules might the station have broken? I cannot see where a filed complaint would be anything more than water cooler talk and a reason for a few people at the office to get a little chuckle.
 
bturner said:
That's my point exactly. The community is very small and the county population is very small. There are not many advertising prospects out there. Considering the money needed to get a radio station going these days, ir means you have to take every dollar you can get your hands on. And I point out again, with a population this size, everyone knows everyone, so they know this man and what he is like.

I can say the statements were not in 'good taste' but I really do think we have taken this politically correct garbage way too far. I also dislike how politics that become a channel for frustration and hatred. The rhetoric sounds a bit more like two wrestlers about to jump in the ring. Personally, I would think the guy, licensed by the State, should still have the right to refuse anyone he wants. After all, it is his business and his money he uses to run the business. If he wants to turn down business what shouldn't he be able to?

If the radio station disallowed the spot, I wonder if he could have sued them? Could he have claimed they refused him.

Is the State really going to go after him? Why? Is the situation not already solved? Can you name one Obama supporter or Muslim that might want to hand over their hard earned cash to learn how to shoot a gun and get a license through this guy?

Last, what laws or FCC Rules might the station have broken? I cannot see where a filed complaint would be anything more than water cooler talk and a reason for a few people at the office to get a little chuckle.
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Good points all around. I too cannot think of an FCC rule on this. Discrimination is sketchy. Saying you won't teach blacks, hispanics and other racial slurs used in an ad I can see. But how would it be discrimination if you refuse Obama supporters and muslims? Everybody hates on a POTUS no mater who they are. But refusing Muslims? It gets grey. I'm surprised that CHAIR has not made a stink about it as well.

-BGH
 
OHTBGH said:
Good points all around. I too cannot think of an FCC rule on this. Discrimination is sketchy. Saying you won't teach blacks, hispanics and other racial slurs used in an ad I can see. But how would it be discrimination if you refuse Obama supporters and muslims? Everybody hates on a POTUS no mater who they are. But refusing Muslims? It gets grey. I'm surprised that CHAIR has not made a stink about it as well.

-BGH



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A quote from the statement released by the DPS in the KVUE story (the link in the first post):
"Certified instructors are required to comply with all applicable state and federal statutes. Conduct by an instructor that denied service to individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion would place that instructor’s certification by the Department at risk of suspension or revocation."
IMHO, it doesn't get grey at all. Looks rather black & white.
I understand, this only concerns his status with the DPS and not the station and the FCC, re: their license.

Here's the question at hand: Does he disqualify himself merely by SAYING he will not offer the training to Muslims or does he have to actually commit the act of refusing service? Unless and until he has actually denied someone the training based on religious beliefs, IMO, he has not committed a violation! btw, political opinions and individuals that hold them (in this case, BHO supporters) are NOT legally protected by federal law, only the 3 mentioned above: race, ethnicity and religion .
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This is a very interesting point. He might announce he will not accept such cusstomers but until he refuses to accept a customers for the any of the reasons he stated in the ad, there seems to be not offense. If I said I was going to rob a bank and, say, advertised as such, could I be charged until I actually followed through with the act.

On the other hand, is the fact he is advertising a reflection on how his business is doing? I had been given an account in a 75% Hispanic community where the owner that truly believed God made the white man to be superior to all others. It didn't bother him to say this around his Hispanic employees. I was disgusted by him trying to always convert me to his thinking. His Hispanic employees just thought he was a nut case. I became so fed up with the guy I went to his competitor to buy and to try to sell advertising. Needless to say, the guy's store was not a cash cow for the guy because of his rhetoric and his attempts to convert his customers and vendors.

My point is the guy might be hurting for business because his potential customers have to hear all this political opinions along with the instruction. Political talk makes lots of people uncomfortable even if they are on the same side of the political fence.
 
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