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Well K-EARTH finally did it

No. I was not referring to WMMS, but other stations. The environment was collaborative in discussing music for the playlist...
At almost all music stations even going back to the 50's there were strict playlists along with "clocks" in the studio indicating when each category played.

The reason they called the biggest format "Top 40" was that they only played 40 songs and those lists were tightly controlled and rotated. The same formatics applied to successful AC stations when that format began in the early 70's as well as larger market country stations as well as R&B outlets and even Spanish language stations.

Album rock did deviated from this... until in most markets Lee Abrams' Superstars knocked off most of the freeform stations by employing tight curated music lists.

The usual station had the PD and, if they had one, the Music Director, meet both with record reps and make playlist decisions. In very few stations was music a group decision.
 
Yes, I know, specialty shows don't draw much audience, consistency, all that. But I'd think with that sector of music growing and having a cult following, you'd see a bit more of an attempt to cash in and build some cred for an hour or two on the weekend. Audacy could do it across their stations on the weekend, or something along those lines. The last show I remember that attempted it was "Altville" with Buzz Brainerd back in the early 2000s.
There are so many specialized streams and music options today that I think that the era of specialty music shows on radio is over. People who want to hear some kind of limited-appeal music will find it online and at their convenience, not at 10 PM on a Sunday.
 
At almost all music stations even going back to the 50's there were strict playlists along with "clocks" in the studio indicating when each category played.

The reason they called the biggest format "Top 40" was that they only played 40 songs and those lists were tightly controlled and rotated. The same formatics applied to successful AC stations when that format began in the early 70's as well as larger market country stations as well as R&B outlets and even Spanish language stations.

Album rock did deviated from this... until in most markets Lee Abrams' Superstars knocked off most of the freeform stations by employing tight curated music lists.

The usual station had the PD and, if they had one, the Music Director, meet both with record reps and make playlist decisions. In very few stations was music a group decision.

...but they did exist, David, and tbolt says he worked for some of them.
 
The environment was collaborative in discussing music for the playlist...
The usual station had the PD and, if they had one, the Music Director, meet both with record reps and make playlist decisions. In very few stations was music a group decision.

There's a difference between DJs talking among themselves about music, and the one person whose name was on the playlist, and was the contact for the labels. Sure, the DJs had some input in some formats. Radio staffs talked amongst themselves, both within a station, and among similar stations across the country. They all had a chance to meet at the R&R convention or other national gatherings where they shared information.

Donna Halper may have been a legend, but she left radio for education in 1982. Kid Leo was very influential, but there's a reason why he left WMMS for Columbia Records in 1987. Things became less collaborative in the 80s. At the same time, there was consolidation taking place at the major record labels. What I call 'the great schism' happened in 1988, when RCA Records and Columbia Records were each sold to foreign conglomerates. The relationship between radio & records was changing at that time, brought on by changes in each of the industries. So all of this happened over 35 years ago.
 
...but they did exist, David, and tbolt says he worked for some of them.
And most of them were eventually massacred by more regimented formats. Only the few that were so magnificently programmed like WMMS with Gorman and Halper managed to thrive.

A few other examples come to mind, like KBCO in Denver and WCRT in Chicago. Most of them were AAA or Rock, in fact.
 
There's a difference between DJs talking among themselves about music, and the one person whose name was on the playlist, and was the contact for the labels. Sure, the DJs had some input in some formats. Radio staffs talked amongst themselves, both within a station, and among similar stations across the country.
As a rule, jocks did not talk with folks at other stations about music. If they did talk, it was usually about openings!
They all had a chance to meet at the R&R convention or other national gatherings where they shared information.
Few jocks went to R&R... Billboard... Gavin conventions. I attended most of those in the 70's and there were mostly PDs, consultants, a few music directors and a bunch of GMs who went for the free vacation. And, of course, hot and cold running record ducks with hospitality suites with party favors.
Donna Halper may have been a legend, but she left radio for education in 1982. Kid Leo was very influential, but there's a reason why he left WMMS for Columbia Records in 1987. Things became less collaborative in the 80s. At the same time, there was consolidation taking place at the major record labels. What I call 'the great schism' happened in 1988, when RCA Records and Columbia Records were each sold to foreign conglomerates. The relationship between radio & records was changing at that time, brought on by changes in each of the industries. So all of this happened over 35 years ago.
And, of course, any collaborative efforts among a broad width of station staffers on music choices was very much limited. A contributing factor was the creation of call-out research in the mid-70s and AMTs and perceptual research as the 80's began.

Stations moved from telling listeners what to like to finding out what they actually did like.
 
As a rule, jocks did not talk with folks at other stations about music. If they did talk, it was usually about openings!

It wasn't a one or the other thing. It was both. Again the focus of the R&R convention was music. The labels paid for most of it, so it had to be. In the rock radio format, there was very little movement because there weren't many openings, at least at the big stations.

My favorite story was from Carol Miller at WNEW-FM, who was confused about all the grunge music coming from Seattle. She called one of her radio friends in Seattle to get a better handle on it, because it was outside of her experience. She asked, 'Do they like this music there?' The answer: 'Yes they do.' Ultimately WNEW stayed away from the grunge music, and it led to their irrelevance among rock fans in NY.
Stations moved from telling listeners what to like to finding out what they actually did like.

A big part of that was that music ceased to be something one could get inside unless you worked for a label. Again, my Kid Leo example. In the early 70s, it was easy for radio people to associate with musicians. They were accessible at their concerts. Just walk up to them. Lots of books on that subject. But the partying took its toll, and the doors to the inside started to close in the 80s. The DJs got older and had families, and the musicians got rich and built gated mansions.
 
It wasn't a one or the other thing. It was both. Again the focus of the R&R convention was music. The labels paid for most of it, so it had to be. In the rock radio format, there was very little movement because there weren't many openings, at least at the big stations.
The labels paid for the shows and some had "hospitality" suites. But the daytime activity was all about programming. As a programmer and manager from Puerto Rico and Latin America, I did not have as much interest in the music content, of course... although at one of those in LA Scott Shannon, then with Bogart at Casablanca, introduced me to Donna Summer and Village People (I had worked with Scott at Mooney Broadcasting in the earlier 70's)

I ended up over the years with a number of programming friends who were at AOR stations, including two dear friends who programmed the competing stations in DFW. Seeing them together later (one was independent, the other under Burkart and Abrams) exchanging how they tried to screw up each others contests and concerts was a blast.
A big part of that was that music ceased to be something one could get inside unless you worked for a label. Again, my Kid Leo example. In the early 70s, it was easy for radio people to associate with musicians. They were accessible at their concerts. Just walk up to them. Lots of books on that subject. But the partying took its toll, and the doors to the inside started to close in the 80s. The DJs got older and had families, and the musicians got rich and built gated mansions.
That surely was true in rock and to some extent in CHR. But in R&B and Country and Latin music, the closeness withg fans (to some extent) and radio have remained for many more decades.
 
Radio would love to play 50s-60s music. Keep in mind a lot of the radio owners are boomers.
And they do. Obviously big market stations like KRTH and WCBS no longer, but plenty of lower rated small market stations do. Probably fewer 50’s but I hear plenty of 60’s and 70’s on radio stations across SW Florida all the time, focused on the retirees (65+) that live around here and on FM frequencies. They may have lower ratings, low revenues ..etc etc, but they still dish out the true oldies and hits that people WANT to hear and have been on the air for years, in the 2010’s and 20’s. Lecom Radio WSRQ is a fine example.
 
And they do. Obviously big market stations like KRTH and WCBS no longer, but plenty of lower rated small market stations do. Probably fewer 50’s but I hear plenty of 60’s and 70’s on radio stations across SW Florida all the time, focused on the retirees (65+) that live around here and on FM frequencies. They may have lower ratings, low revenues ..etc etc, but they still dish out the true oldies and hits that people WANT to hear and have been on the air for years, in the 2010’s and 20’s. Lecom Radio WSRQ is a fine example.
And there are a few other communities where advertisers depend on retired people for their revenue and where such stations can survive.

But to put things in perspective, a PD in a top 10 market likely makes a salary that is greater than the annual gross revenue of WSRQ.

Of course, the mistake is in assuming that all people in their later 60's and beyond like old Top 40 songs.
 
And most of them were eventually massacred by more regimented formats. Only the few that were so magnificently programmed like WMMS with Gorman and Halper managed to thrive.

A few other examples come to mind, like KBCO in Denver and WCRT in Chicago. Most of them were AAA or Rock, in fact.
Gorman and his other long-term associate Denny Sanders grew up listening to WBZ, WMEX and (most notably) WRKO. It wasn't that they didn't want a focused sound at WMMS but that they didn't want the consultants, trusting more on their own staff to achieve it. Thus, why Donna was able to have the freedom like she did.

Eric Stevens instituted a more tightly-programmed sound on M105 (did Lee Abrams consult them early on?) and that also equally influenced Gorman and Co. Gorman was incredibly competitive and wanted to win at all costs, if his infamous staff memos were any indication.
 
If there were a belief by the advertisers that investing significantly more in that audience works, there would be ad supported content aligned with it. As it is, there are very specific products/services that seek that audience and they spend on targeted placements.

Nobody is in business to go broke.
Nobody is in business to go broke--true. Yet 20 years of evidence shows innumerable bad decisions have been detrimental to THIS business. If they were better at this business, it wouldn't be cannibalizing itself for decades and more radio people would be working and thriving as in its heyday, because there wouldn't have to be so much cost-cutting--which cuts creative human beings who contribute to the product--out.
 
If they were better at this business, it wouldn't be cannibalizing itself for decades and more radio people would be working and thriving as in its heyday, because there wouldn't have to be so much cost-cutting--which cuts creative human beings who contribute to the product--out.

How many creative human beings do you need to do essentially the same exact thing in hundreds of different markets? That's the inherent question one needs to ask. There's a lot of unnecessary duplication going on. Music artists realized this 100 years ago. They could sing the same song thousands of times, or record it once, and play the record thousands of times. If it works for music, why not radio?
 
Nobody is in business to go broke--true. Yet 20 years of evidence shows innumerable bad decisions have been detrimental to THIS business. If they were better at this business, it wouldn't be cannibalizing itself for decades and more radio people would be working and thriving as in its heyday, because there wouldn't have to be so much cost-cutting--which cuts creative human beings who contribute to the product--out.
Whatever decisions one agrees or disagrees with, chasing a demographic that isn't as profitable and useful to most ad segments isn't going to work either way. And I always remember that hindsight provides clarity that isn't always as discernible amidst a rapidly changing technological landscape and advertisers naturally migrating to new and more targetable platforms. Doesn't mean no one made mistakes. Not by any stretch of the imagination. But at the same time, it was never, ever going to be like it once was. Also not by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Nobody is in business to go broke--true. Yet 20 years of evidence shows innumerable bad decisions have been detrimental to THIS business. If they were better at this business, it wouldn't be cannibalizing itself for decades and more radio people would be working and thriving as in its heyday, because there wouldn't have to be so much cost-cutting--which cuts creative human beings who contribute to the product--out.
The cost cutting is due to an inflation adjusted decrease of about 70% in total radio revenue in the last 20 years.

There are a bunch of factors involved, complicated by the huge increase in FMs and FM upgrades due to Docket 80-90 30-some years ago.

First, in the top 50 markets PPM showed actual TSL to be about 30% lower than the diary. Rates are based on rating, and rating is based on percentage of the advertiser's target universe.

Second, the 2008-2010 recession caused huge never to be recovered cuts in radio spending.

Third, the Internet became a major alternative ad medium, replacing newspapers for automotive and real estate and reducing radio and TV expenditures

Fourth, the advent of the smart phone around 2008 opened up an even broader web ad revenue competitor array, cutting into radio... particularly local radio in smaller markets where advertisers needed to be on the Google and similar search listings more than on radio.
 
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