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WEMP 101.9 FM NEW IS FINALLY ALL-NEWS

I listened to WEMP for about 20 minutes and couldn't take it! Merlin had a chance to land a body blow to WOR and WABC and blew it big time! WINS and WCBS-AM have nothing to worry about!

Merlin doesn't care much, if at all, about WOR or WABC. Those two AM stations are overloaded with older listeners, and with the exception of one or two WOR programs, older males.

Merlin is after younger females, who listen to FM music stations that have five times or more the weekly audience of a WABC or WOR. Look at the NYC ratings, WOR and WABC have a weekly audience of about 1-million unique listeners each, and probably share a lot of the same, mostly older male, listeners. While the big three Clear Channel stations have 5-million younger listeners each. And there likely is a majority of females in that younger FM audience.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think most traditional all news listeners will find what Merlin is offering that appealing either. So, Merlin is not a direct threat to WCBS-AM or WINS. It will grow the cume for news listeners by getting mostly younger women to slide from their favorite music stations down the FM dial to catch the latest household tip, celebrity news, and traffic and weather. They may listen every once in a while, and then go back to the music. But, that could give Merlin a large weekly cume, and respectable market share and ratings numbers. That would result in big advertising revenue because of the increased number of spots that can fit into an all news format.

It's hard for most of us who remember the glory days of WOR and WABC, but those AM stations are hardly in the big game anymore.

Check yourself, in the latest PPM ratings WABC has less than 1.1-million different listeners a week, WOR has 857,000 while top station WLTW has 5.6-million, and two of its sisters in the Clear Channel cluster have 5-million younger listeners a week each.

Unfortunately, WABC and WOR have mostly older politically interested male listeners who spend a lot of time listening. That really isn't the audience that most consumer product and services advertisers are looking for. Once Merlin gets going listen to the spots it will carry, as opposed to the viagra, prostate formula, and panic gold sellers you'll hear on Conservative talk radio. It's a different advertising market all together, and the really big money market is for young women, and WABC and WOR aren't in that game at all. Too bad, hard to believe, but that's the way it is.

Merlin is not making a blunder, it knows exactly what it is doing and why. Yes, there are production kinks etc. to be worked out, but those are easily fixed. Remember, it is a totally new organization that hired some very good people. But few of them have ever worked together before. Give it a few months to work out the kinks, and then watch the ratings and revenue numbers. It is on to something big. This format provides the kinds of features and information that women surf for on the web but now can listen to in the car or kitchen. This is about inventing the future of demographically targeted all news radio in a 21st century internet world, not the past, it is not the 1960s anymore. And if you remember back then, lots folks couldn't believe anybody would listen to all news all the time, but those were people who remembered the world of network radio dramas, comedy and soap operas. Times change.
 
Re: WEMP 101.9 FM NEW IS FINALLY ALL-NEWS

Check yourself, in the latest PPM ratings WABC has less than 1.1-million different listeners a week, WOR has 857,000 while top station WLTW has 5.6-million, and two of its sisters in the Clear Channel cluster have 5-million younger listeners a week each.

This info above makes a great case for the return of full service radio! Does it not? Just asking! Maybe it's worth a rebirth? Well? There is nothing like a format that has something for everyone! Could it work again?
 
airpab said:
Not looking to start a fight....Just stating fact!

Radio-Info is a "Forum"....It's rankings are indeed based on Population.

However, Advertisers and Advertising dollars generated are the driving force behind commercial radio Mr. Burns....L.A. is #1, by a comfortable margin!

And FYI....Unrelated to radio....Southern California (Ventura Co. to San Bernardino Co. to Orange County and points in between) encompasses more people than NYC and its surrounding burroughs, with a population of just under 17 million.

First of all it is spelled boroughs not burroughs, secondly the NY metro area has a population of over 21 million. The LA market does earn more in add dollars probably because the population commutes by car therefore more people per capita listen to radio. Lastly New York is market number 1 in ranking. This is fact.
 
This info above makes a great case for the return of full service radio! Does it not? Just asking! Maybe it's worth a rebirth? Well? There is nothing like a format that has something for everyone! Could it work again?

Some of the legacy "full service" stations may still be hanging on around the country, but the potential for starting a new one now and actually attracting the desired demos is not there.

It's the same situation in TV, we're never going back to the situation where there are just three major networks that serve everybody. Look at all the program choices now on cable, satellite, and even the internet.

Market segmentation and narrow-casting are what both the audience and the advertisers demand. Futurist Alvin Toffler predicted all this in his 1980 book "The Third Wave" and some radio guys then didn't believe it, but the trend had already started as FM became more popular and the audience had that many more station choices and advertisers wanted to reach specific market niches efficiently.

With the variety of tastes around, the format that offers "something for everybody" really means it offers nothing specific to anyone. Picture a musical station that played hip hop, punk, rock, classical, jazz, standards, country etc. How many songs would it take to drive every potential listener away? The same kind of thing would happen with a full service talk format.

Two things that do impact everybody are traffic and weather, but with new technology rapidly coming into existence and popularity, the days when radio traffic reports will even make sense are numbered. It's a matter of years and not decades. And weather is always right there on your smartphone. Welcome to the second decade of the 21st century, it will never be 1959 again, the once Big Three TV networks are doing a slow fade into oblivion and sooner than many people think, may stop transmitting over the air, and full service radio for all the family won't draw an audience in a digital world of endless choice of what to listen to that is targeted at your very specific individual interests.
 
I gave this station a listen yesterday and found it to be interesting. Not my type of topics, but I am not in the target audience, but it's an interesting twist none the less. Perhaps they could help themselves by playing music in between the chatter. NJ 101.5 did this in it's early days if I remember correctly. Some good Hot AC music, maybe female friendly alternative, just something that really could differentiate them from the other news stations. Maybe this would stop everyone from comparing them to 1010 WINS and CBS AM. Just my thoughts of course.
 
Traffic reports are here to stay because drivers can't look at their smartphones while driving. Especially in this area, it's always important to know how long it'll take to get through the Holland or Lincoln to decide which one to take.
 
I like to hear full service radio ( www.monitorbeacon.net takes one back to the days), but indeed, the only way it will work is in small towns...certainly not NYC!

Just like there are no TV stations left that air more than one network, like in yon olden days.

Even "top 40" radio of the past had a little MOR, a little C&W, a little R&B thrown in. Any CHR today is so tight musically.

Too many "fine" choices out there.

cd
 
Traffic reports are here to stay because drivers can't look at their smartphones while driving.

My GPS talks, and smartphones can too. There is never any need to look at the screen while driving.

The beauty of the new technology is that if the system knows your route it can "talk you around problems."

Its data is also instant, and it can predict traffic jams before they exist. If the system knows how many cars are headed for the Lincoln or Holland tunnels, how fast they are going etc. it can calculate what the traffic situation will be there in x-number of minutes, and route some of those travelers in a different direction to minimize the potential problem for all.

The systems also know traffic on the side streets, and can keep you up to date on those minor alternative routes too.

Again, this is traffic individualized and narrow-casted just for you. Radio traffic reports will never be able to compete with that kind of specific service.

The radio reports are only periodic and too often too late to matter. You're already in the traffic jam when you hear about it.

And in an area like the NYC metro, there are far too many roads and situations to be adequately talked about in a one or two minute report.

Look at the traffic reports on Google Maps, the data is collected from two way GPS units and smartphones in cars traveling on all those roads. You can even see where traffic is backed up at a red light. If the computer knows your route you are getting real-time data to navigate with, it's not that hard to have an automated voice tell "you" how best to go.

As these car navigation services and units get better and are used more, it could be a threat to radio listening since people will want to concentrate on their individualized traffic information first and foremost.

Unfortunately, radio traffic reporters are going to join Western Union telegraph operators in the bin of "jobs made obsolete by better technology." Hopefully, this will happen slowly so people in the business can adjust, but makers of GPS units are under threat from smartphones and have incentive to come up with new traffic GPS units that do it better than both smartphones and radio, and the push could happen rapidly.
 
Somewhere in this episode of The Twilight Zone,
"The Lonely/ Probe 7 - Over and Out" (1959)
It is noted that, at least in their timeline, Los Angeles has become the "largest population center in the United States"!
 
Anybody else notice that 101.9's traffic reports spend more time telling us what our "best bets" are and which route is "the way to go", than they do just telling us where the actual trouble spots are? To me that just sounds a rather condescending and nanny-ish, as if we don't know how to determine and navigate our own alternate routes. And besides, it just makes the reports seem too long and rambling. Some of the traffic reporters even have a habit of saying things like "Once again, keep in mind..." and repeating what they just said 30 seconds ago.

Even the weather reports keep telling us which day is our "best bet" for various outdoor activities. Again, too long and patronizing! Don't tell me which day is the best for having a barbecue or going to the park -- I can figure that out myself, if you just tell me whether it's going to be raining or not!

But I guess that's the new "FM News" standard -- even the traffic and weather is "dumbed down" to a level they think a ditzy blonde could understand!
 
I been listening to FM News 101.9 now for a few days now and have noticed they are not featuring any sports stories what so ever or sports scores...if the station is aimed at women are they assuming all women are not interested in sports ?
 
I don't know that the concept is all that bad *in concept* -- essentially, it's the light to very light end of the news, plus traffic/weather. The problem I see going forward (kinks aside) is how to find the right tone. The hosts laughing or giggling at the wrong times (which is definitely happening now) isn't necessarily just being new; I think it's an inherent issue figuring out when and how to shift gears when a format this inherently light has to shift to serious stories from time to time that it cannot avoid, especially in the Big Apple. I don't know if this concept can be made into functional reality.

P.S. Their website survey suggests a few glitches there as well. While it asks if my gender is male or female, it lists five options for favorite shoe brand, a question that you must answer, and I think all of the brands are clearly female. (I don't think Manolo and Nine West have a men's line.) Also, "America Idol" is not a TV show.
 
reelyreal said:
ai4i said:
Who was that famous DJ who, half a century ago, said,
"1010 WINS will be back with more music after the news"?

I've never been able to find confirmation that that particular line was said, but someone else (Scott Fybush?) may know better than I do.

I do know that the last DJ on the air at 1010 WINS on April 18, 1965 was Johnny Holliday, and according to his book the final song played on WINS was "Out in the Street" by the Shangri-La's.

Take a listen here.

Oddly enough, one of the first spots aired on all-news 1010/WINS was for... 77/WABC, with Dan Ingram asking, "What happened to the music? Where's my music?"

Note that WINS signed off for transmitter (and likely studio) maintenance after Holliday's on-air shift concluded at 8PM the previous evening.
 
Nathan Obral said:
reelyreal said:
ai4i said:
Who was that famous DJ who, half a century ago, said,
"1010 WINS will be back with more music after the news"?

I've never been able to find confirmation that that particular line was said, but someone else (Scott Fybush?) may know better than I do.

I do know that the last DJ on the air at 1010 WINS on April 18, 1965 was Johnny Holliday, and according to his book the final song played on WINS was "Out in the Street" by the Shangri-La's.

Take a listen here.

Oddly enough, one of the first spots aired on all-news 1010/WINS was for... 77/WABC, with Dan Ingram asking, "What happened to the music? Where's my music?"

Note that WINS signed off for transmitter (and likely studio) maintenance after Holliday's on-air shift concluded at 8PM the previous evening.

Very cool! Thanks for that! I knew it sounded a little too perfect for that to have been his actual sign off.

I love the WABC spot! I'd love to know what they had to pay WINS to get that spot on the air.
 
DougBroda said:
I think it's an inherent issue figuring out when and how to shift gears when a format this inherently light has to shift to serious stories from time to time that it cannot avoid, especially in the Big Apple. I don't know if this concept can be made into functional reality.
I don't think it's really too hard. Just have them mimic how TV newscasters do it, when they segway and so on. On the news, they just change to a serious tone when it's a serious news story.
I think a better approach, rather than to inject too much personality, is to basically have it like the CNN of news radio, as if you were listening to cnn from the other room not seeing it visually.. just have the hosts read off stories, segway and transition from different news topics/genre's, very straightfoward.. a place where people can just flick it on after work and hear the news. Then you can have maybe a live and local show at night to add interactivity and some specialty stuff (like a woman oriented show) scattered here and there and on weekends, etc. I think just having news on FM will be a ratings winner and has broad appeal, but hopefully they don't shoot themselves in the foot by trying to appeal too much to wmen or one demo
 
Anybody remember/know how WNWS did, ratings or bookings?
Why did the network fail, too old deomgraphics?
 
The phrase "FM News 101 point 9 time is..." is extremely clumsy and needs to be changed. The hosts continually flub it up and/or sound awkward when trying to get it out, especially the "nine time" part, which often comes out as "101 point time" when they're trying to rush it. It's simply too many syllables!
 
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