WEMP...how low can they go?

[TheBigA]

You are correct, perhaps I am airing my grievances on the wrong thread. But corporate consolidation is why another station group has not picked up the format, because of their "wedge" concept. See above.

ABC/Citadel/Cumulus only owns one FM station in NYC. The "wedge" concept doesn't apply to them, or several other owners.

In fact, there really only two consolidated station groups in NYC: Clear Channel and CBS. Together they own a grand total of 8 FM stations out of more than 100 frequencies. Consolidation has nothing to do with it. It's all about advertising. Period.

 

[PhilHaircut]

Dear Mr. Brightside,

Meathead? You do realize that 90% of people in this country is a meathead? Men and women. Our pop culture is in the toilet and gossip about the toilet passes for real news. That's not arguable that's pretty much fact. And I'm guilty of this... I get most of my news from the Daily Show.

Having said that... Who said anything about K-Rock. K-Rock always stunk outside of Howard Stern. I don't know 92.9 in Boston. But Radio 104.5 is like any station in any town you don't live in. First day you're there, "This station is awesome!" Second day, "Same s-word, different day." They beat the dead horse songs just like everybody else. And with 3 jocks all canned and horrible! Liner card readers without a shred of personality. But yes they don't play "dinosaur rock."

NOT EVERYTHING THAT IS OVER 25 YEARS OLD IS DINO ROCK. And if you think so you're a fool! I'll be listening to Shoot To Thrill til the day I die! Right along side Karma Police.

See the point is the personality. I can miss it and long for the days when I could hear Howard in the morning, the retro lunch in the day and O&A in the afternoon all I want... that's my right!

But it ain't ever coming back! But if it did....




A meathead station like the above will not work in NYC. It was tried with K-Rock, which repeated the same AC/DC songs, KISS, along with RHCP, ad nauseam. Whoo! I listened to K-Rock from sign-on as a new rock station. I then left for college, and came back. They were still playing the same boring songs! I think a station like Radio 104.5 in Philly or Radio 92.9 in Boston would work in New York, it draws from both the male and female demos. It plays mostly alternative gold songs, with some currents. No dinosaur rock, please, Q104 is for that.

Let's face it, the only reason there is not a new rock station (it's still unbelievable that New York does not have a rock station) is because of corporate radio consolidation. From a business stand point, I get it, Power 105 exists to keep Hot 97 down, Fresh exists to keep Lite FM down a notch. But from a listener standpoint, it's a boring, generic, repetitive dial. That is why young people do not listen, there is nothing for them to listen to.

I'm assuming that this post will get ignored (it makes too much sense), and a new exciting topic such as what old, moldy songs are on CBS FM, or one about a radio host's shift being moved on an old timey AM radio station.

 

[mrbrightside]

I live in Philly now, and if I don't like what's on Radio 104.5, I switch to WMMR (which has plenty of personality). I agree about the liner card readers on 1045, thankfully they keep the talk to a minimum. My point is choice. There is choice in New York if you like hip-hop, pop, and Spanish formats.

I definitely don't believe that everything over the age of 25 is dino Rock, I'm just sick of hearing it.

 

[TheBigA]

There is choice in New York if you like hip-hop, pop, and Spanish formats.

Which amazingly reflects a large portion of the in-city population. The rock crowd is mainly suburban, and they have stations in LI and NJ.

 

[mrbrightside]

There is choice in New York if you like hip-hop, pop, and Spanish formats.

Which amazingly reflects a large portion of the in-city population. The rock crowd is mainly suburban, and they have stations in LI and NJ.

Well if that's the logic, then Q104 should sign off, along with CBS FM Last I checked, North Jersey has 1 rock station, LI has 1 in Nassau, 1 in Suffolk, which again, play classic rock. The two class B's in North Jersey are taken up by religious broadcasters. I almost forgot about WXPK, which has a very weak signal...

 

[TheBigA]

Last I checked, North Jersey has 1 rock station, LI has 1 in Nassau, 1 in Suffolk, which again, play classic rock. The two class B's in North Jersey are taken up by religious broadcasters. I almost forgot about WXPK, which has a very weak signal...

My point, once again, is that it's not about corporate consolidation.

 

[DToTheJ]

...I'm assuming that this post will get ignored (it makes too much sense), and a new exciting topic such as what old, moldy songs are on CBS FM...

Recently, it's about the "newer" songs on CBS FM... Tone Loc, anyone? :

 

[Rusty Muck]

You are correct, perhaps I am airing my grievances on the wrong thread. But corporate consolidation is why another station group has not picked up the format, because of their "wedge" concept. See above.

ABC/Citadel/Cumulus only owns one FM station in NYC. The "wedge" concept doesn't apply to them, or several other owners.

In fact, there really only two consolidated station groups in NYC: Clear Channel and CBS. Together they own a grand total of 8 FM stations out of more than 100 frequencies. Consolidation has nothing to do with it. It's all about advertising. Period.

What became of Cumulus' attempt to turn WFAS-FM into a move-in into NYC?

 

[Jersey Maiden]

Wow, that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. But hey, if it makes you feel better about corporate ownership of the airwaves... I work in advertising by the way, lol. That's laugh out loud, in case you didn't know.

Agreed. I have no idea where Mark Jeffries got that idea from. Besides, one can more easily say that hip hop stations cater to dope addicts, shoplifters, and rapists (not saying I really believe that, just throwing an example out there) but Hot 97 and Power 105.1 are doing just fine. And for everyone's information, I know a lot of young sheltered suburbanites who listen to hip hop (myself included). Second, I thought hipster was the correct stereotype for alternative fan. By throwing classic rock into the mix, I imagine that RXP was trying to bring hipsters and their parents together.

Having said that... Who said anything about K-Rock. K-Rock always stunk outside of Howard Stern.

I said something about K-Rock. I loved it in my high school days when it brought alternative and active rock together (see my previous post for why http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=192738.10). But it started going downhill when it switched to active/classic rock. So when it flipped to CHR, I recovered pretty quickly after finding RXP. Ironically, Krock got better when it went online only. But it will never be the station that brought Jay-Z, Oasis and Disturbed together again.

But Radio 104.5 is like any station in any town you don't live in. First day you're there, "This station is awesome!" Second day, "Same s-word, different day." They beat the dead horse songs just like everybody else. And with 3 jocks all canned and horrible! Liner card readers without a shred of personality. But yes they don't play "dinosaur rock."

I still think 104.5 has a broader playlist than RXP. All RXP ever played by Adele was "Rolling in the Deep" (like you can't hear than on any other station). 104.5 also has "Set Fire to the Rain" (a much better song). I also wish RXP played Sum 41, Blink 182, Panic at the Disco but I guess they were gearing towards an older crowd. I do hear classics on 104.5 sometimes, like Bob Marley and Depeche Mode, they just have less of it. But RXP definitely had better jocks. I still miss Steve Craig in the morning, but I'm happy he found work in Atlanta.

 

[radiojomo]

Let's face it, the only reason there is not a new rock station (it's still unbelievable that New York does not have a rock station) is because of corporate radio consolidation. From a business stand point, I get it, Power 105 exists to keep Hot 97 down, Fresh exists to keep Lite FM down a notch. But from a listener standpoint, it's a boring, generic, repetitive dial. That is why young people do not listen, there is nothing for them to listen to.

I'm assuming that this post will get ignored (it makes too much sense), and a new exciting topic such as what old, moldy songs are on CBS FM, or one about a radio host's shift being moved on an old timey AM radio station.

I definitely appreciated this post and it also gave me a new perspective about the future of radio. I essentially believe that a combination of lagging advertising revenues from the downfall of the economy and the creation of PPM essentially murdered good FM Radio as we know it. Radio giants are too concerned on getting results and revenue right away, instead of making sure the product is viable for generations to come. But instead of becoming a place for music discovery so people could then download the songs on iTunes and build their collections based on what they listen to on the radio and making radio a part of their listening diet, people are snubbing radio completely because of the repetition and use the internet exclusively to find new artists. Radio could have easily adapted to the rise of internet music, but instead ruined it.

 

[GSP163]

What became of Cumulus' attempt to turn WFAS-FM into a move-in into NYC?

I remember before the Cumulus/Ciitadel announcement WFAS-FM began heavly promoting 106.3 WFAF (which still uses "103-9/106-3 WFAS" today) and people started to think a sale was on the way.....I heard somewhere that EMF wanted 103.9 but the price was too high and they went with 96.7 instead.....Soon after the announcement of the Cumulus/Citadel merger the sale of 103.9 was put on hold and nobody has heard since what Cumulus is going to do with it

 

[NYCRadioGuy]

I don't know if anyone noticed, but they stopped saying "FM News 101.9 Time _______". Instead, they're just saying "it's _____". I guess they finally figured out how horrible it sounded before.