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Went to the 'other' side

I bought a new car about a month ago that has satellite
radio. It is quite an improvement over regular radio. I
am no longer listening to local radio in Indiana, so I guess
I won't be posting about it any more on here. :) I would
suggest you all do the same.
 
Good for you...hope you enjoy it. At least you won't be bothered by pesky news updates, weather concerns, or well-programmed local stations.


> I bought a new car about a month ago that has satellite
> radio. It is quite an improvement over regular radio. I
> am no longer listening to local radio in Indiana, so I guess
>
> I won't be posting about it any more on here. :) I would
> suggest you all do the same.
>
 
> I bought a new car about a month ago that has satellite
> radio. It is quite an improvement over regular radio. I
> am no longer listening to local radio in Indiana, so I guess
>
> I won't be posting about it any more on here. :) I would
> suggest you all do the same.
>

Yet you still post...

I'll be curious to se if you continue to to listen to the bird once your free year is over and Mel's gang starts hitting your bank account every month AND start slamming your favorite channels with commercials.

Reminds me of the whiny listeners that call and say "I'm never listening to your station again"... within a week I'll hear the same damn voice on the phone again.
 
> >If you enjoy music and depend on radio to "entertain" you, I can't blame you a bit for going to satellite. It's a different world out there now. Who do you know that actually "depends" on radio for their music and information? Not very many probably. With IPods, Podcasting, everyone burning their own music, the internet, what's the point?

Radio is no longer run by broadcasters and there are too many alternatives for your car and home to occupy your time and inform you. There are very few stations anywhere that let their personalities be creative and actually add something to the landscape. It used to be a wonderful medium with personality and content that you could not get anywhere else. Not anymore.

Radio needs to get it together and get it figured out. It's bad everywhere. Not just Indiana. Technology has moved on and radio does nothing for me and I am a 15 year veteran of the business. But no more. If you are in radio, especially a jock, find something else to do. The majority of dj's are no longer personalities that the majority of their listeners connect with or even get a chance to know. Sorry but it's true. Look at the attendance at your next remote. There are exceptions but not many. If you are a programmer, you better get with it. Hopefully you work for someone who gives you the freedom to do your thing. You have gotten to that level for some reason. If you are an owner or g.m. and not a broadcaster, get someone who is and is also fearless and creative. Let them do their job.

I bought a new car about a month ago that has satellite
> > radio. It is quite an improvement over regular radio. I
> > am no longer listening to local radio in Indiana, so I
> guess
> >
> > I won't be posting about it any more on here. :) I
> would
> > suggest you all do the same.
> >
>
> Yet you still post...
>
> I'll be curious to se if you continue to to listen to the
> bird once your free year is over and Mel's gang starts
> hitting your bank account every month AND start slamming
> your favorite channels with commercials.
>
> Reminds me of the whiny listeners that call and say "I'm
> never listening to your station again"... within a week I'll
> hear the same damn voice on the phone again.
>
 
> Good for you...hope you enjoy it. At least you won't be
> bothered by pesky news updates, weather concerns, or
> well-programmed local stations.


OH MY GOSH.......NO NEWS UPDATES....NO WEATHER CONCERNS......WHAT AM I GONNA DO.....THE WORLD IS ENDING............

I live in a three county metro with an estimated population of 100,000 people. It's one of the very few markets this size without a television station. We are attached to a DMA in an adjoining state who only covers our area for the big stories; the rest of the news is their primary market. The only source of news is the local paper and the internet for state and national news. Both local radio clusters (One corporate with two stations and the other regional owned with six stations) produce news from what they "borrow" from the local newspaper and is repeated throughout the day.

Living on the edge of Tornado Alley you learn to cherish your weather coverage. Since almost all of the radio signals lock the door and go home at the end of business day, we rely on the adjacent television market for severe weather information. The best effort local radio provides is the occasional simulcast of television coverage and once in a while a live person, when somebody is in the building. Beyond that it's Delilah, Lia, voicetracking and lots of image liners.

Twenty years ago, this town was blessed with an impressive local news and weather presence provided by radio. The news and weather commitment today gets in the way of a stockholder's return on investment and most of all the end of year bonus for upper radio management, so we learn to rely on other sources beyond radio for local information.

P.S: I'll save my rant on the "well-programmed local station" fallacy for another time.
 
RadioRob,

Save "the crying game" for people who care. Those who know this business know that satellite radio is just another b.s. product right now. If you want to hear Nina Blackwood's "iron lung" breathing you can do it less frequently on a local station, thank God. I saw that Martha Quinn signed on to Satellite Radio, too. Too bad for her a lot of us remember how God awful she was on MTV and how she failed at radio time and time again (the Denver market 3 times alone...and she's a "local"). You can only tell us how "great it was" and let us know how much you "loved Bono" so many times before we get it and are tired of it...sounds like local radio...without the local. In the end it'll be no different.

As with iPods and everything else, if you want to hear what you want to hear at this moment you better have it cued up in your "player" (whatever it may be...iPod, CD, tape, record, whatever) because it's the ONLY way you're going to hear what you want to right now.


> > Good for you...hope you enjoy it. At least you won't be
> > bothered by pesky news updates, weather concerns, or
> > well-programmed local stations.
>
>
> OH MY GOSH.......NO NEWS UPDATES....NO WEATHER
> CONCERNS......WHAT AM I GONNA DO.....THE WORLD IS
> ENDING............
>
> I live in a three county metro with an estimated population
> of 100,000 people. It's one of the very few markets this
> size without a television station. We are attached to a DMA
> in an adjoining state who only covers our area for the big
> stories; the rest of the news is their primary market. The
> only source of news is the local paper and the internet for
> state and national news. Both local radio clusters (One
> corporate with two stations and the other regional owned
> with six stations) produce news from what they "borrow" from
> the local newspaper and is repeated throughout the day.
>
> Living on the edge of Tornado Alley you learn to cherish
> your weather coverage. Since almost all of the radio
> signals lock the door and go home at the end of business
> day, we rely on the adjacent television market for severe
> weather information. The best effort local radio provides
> is the occasional simulcast of television coverage and once
> in a while a live person, when somebody is in the building.
> Beyond that it's Delilah, Lia, voicetracking and lots of
> image liners.
>
> Twenty years ago, this town was blessed with an impressive
> local news and weather presence provided by radio. The news
> and weather commitment today gets in the way of a
> stockholder's return on investment and most of all the end
> of year bonus for upper radio management, so we learn to
> rely on other sources beyond radio for local information.
>
> P.S: I'll save my rant on the "well-programmed local
> station" fallacy for another time.
>
 
When was this business ever run by broadcasters? Insurance companies, tire companies, financial services companies, you name it..they owned radio stations.
If we never had had consolidation, all this new media would be here to take care of the niche audience. And on this board, everyone would still be complaining.<P ID="signature">______________
Greetings from Ohio-where the governor wants everyone to know he's sorry.</P>
 
> When was this business ever run by broadcasters? Insurance
> companies, tire companies, financial services companies, you
> name it..they owned radio stations.
> If we never had had consolidation, all this new media would
> be here to take care of the niche audience. And on this
> board, everyone would still be complaining.

You know, what I find funny about radio is that, as much as it has changed since its inception, it really hasn't changed at all. The principle, both for employees and listeners, is the exact same as it has always been. Plenty of both have complained about radio almost since the beginning of the industry, and plenty of both have enjoyed radio. Whether you're a professional or a listener, you still get what you want out of radio. If it's enjoyment, you'll get exactly that. If it's something else to moan about, you'll get that, too. There are also still plenty of people who sit around and pine for the past, just like there have always been. Satellite radio is pretty much the same. I have both satellite services, and I enjoy them. However, I still find myself listening to terrestrial radio quite-a-bit. I find that I listen to satellite at times when I normally didn't listen to my favorite radio shows. Given the statistics I've seen on satellite radio, a pretty large number of both professionals and listeners are complaining about it, too.

About 15 years ago, I remember finding KMGC 102.9 in Dallas/Ft. Worth, a station I didn't really care for but my mother liked, flipped to a hotter AC as KDMX "Mix 102.9" after Shamrock sold it to Nationwide. Right about the same time, I was discovering FIDONet on my local bulletin board systems. I found a broadcasting "echo," and guess what? Everyone was complaining about how Nationwide wanted to be all things to all people and flipped legendary stations, like KZZP 104.7, to their hot AC format, much the same as "Mix 102.9," and how every station they did that to was taking it in the shorts. People were also saying insurance companies had no business in broadcasting, and one even sited the example of Jefferson Pilot flipping KIMN 950 to KYGO in the early to mid 80's as an example of why.

Nationwide is long gone from the broadcasting business, and that was exactly what those people wanted. However, many of them are still complaining about different companies now, and I'm sure there still are a few wanting to see JP file for bankruptcy for what it did to KIMN more than 20 years ago.
 
I wouldn't consider my response a "crying game"; it was a rebuttal to a prior post. The argument that radio today is still a wonderful pillar of the community providing timely information is only a symbolic concept. The National Association of Broadcasters give the illusion radio efforts to “serve the community” are non-stop when in reality it's only at their convenience. The point is brought home when a nasty thunderstorm is producing hail and heavy wind gust. The habit in this neck of the woods is television, internet or a weather alert radio for updated information. Radio on the other hand is likely to run a recorded forecast once an hour calling for a chance of showers. Radio sometimes lucks out and provides current information. But most of the time it's oblivious to the here and now. That was the point of my original post, hardly a "crying game" just stating fact.

You and I do agree on Nina Blackwood and the other MTV VJ's on Sirius' 80's channel. But you know what; I have eighty other selections with very little overlap musically. As far as my iPod, it takes just a few minutes to organize a playlist and upload a few hours of music of my choice. Radio doesn't offer the choice or convenience of its new portable competition. Speaking of portable competition, the graduating class of 2005 is well versed on music downloads, CD burners, media players and other toys providing music they like and general entertainment. With all those devices around them, radio is not a priority as it was for an older generation. This is the issue where radio needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

A hard-headed attitude has been the downfall of many industries. The passenger rail industry saw no threat from the airlines. Today most of those fancy passenger rail terminals are offices and restaurants. Retail giants twenty years ago like Sears, Montgomery Ward, and K-Mart were warned against this upstart called Wal-Mart. All three laughed at that quirky Sam Walton. Today, Sears and K-Mart have consolidated just to survive against Wal-Mart while Montgomery Ward is out of business. Radio has dodged its own bullet several times in its lifetime. But an independent way of thinking was what bailed out radio by reinventing the concept. Today the independent mindset no longer exist and has been replaced by self-serving propaganda of radio's bright future spearheaded by amateur investment bankers who hide behind their dated and flawed perspective of radio's dominance. Again, this isn't a "crying game", it just reality.
 
> When was this business ever run by broadcasters? Insurance
> companies, tire companies, financial services companies, you
> name it..they owned radio stations.
> If we never had had consolidation, all this new media would
> be here to take care of the niche audience. And on this
> board, everyone would still be complaining.
>


Hal Neal, Gordon McLendon, Todd Storz, Cecil Heftel....just a few past example of broadcasters who have understood the product, in this case radio programming.
 
> Good for you...hope you enjoy it. At least you won't be
> bothered by pesky news updates, weather concerns, or
> well-programmed local stations.
>
>
Right on, ER. Right on. When the next tornado hits, something tells me this guy will be driving right into it...
 
You're correct on one point, sort of, kids are much less in need of radio than older demos. But when I think about it, I didn't need the radio that much in high school or college. I wanted to hear the songs I wanted to hear when I wanted to hear them, so I "burned" my vinyl to cassette tapes, 'cause, I had the time to screw with it. Cool. Wonder how many people back then said, "Dual deck cassette recorders will be the death of radio!"?

Fast forward 20 years. I use the radio alot now. Partly because I don't have the freakin' time to burn crap to a mp3 player, and I've got other things to spend my cash on. I know, it's easier and faster than burning vinyl to cassette, but quite frankly I don't want to think about it. The radio provides me with the joy of not knowing what's next. if I don't like it well there's always station 2,3,4,5... on the presets.

I also need the traffic, weather, news... the stuff in-between the songs. I didn't need those when I was 18.

I'm sorry that you don't have local stations that provide acceptable local content. But stations out of the top 100 are going to have a harder time providing that stuff and meeting business obligations. A radio station's fixed costs in an itty bitty market aren't much different than those in a top 10 market, but the opportunity to make money is substantially less. Gotta cut corners somewhere to make ends meet. Before we criticize those decisions, we might want to have a little empathy for those having to meet those challenges.

I don't prentend to speak for everyone, but I'm sure there are a lot of people out there like me, who wouldn't trade their radio for an mp3 player. Nor would they trade their local radio station for satellite-- I ain't paying for what I can get free. And I would expect 20 years from now there will be a lot of 40 year olds who used to burn their music to mp3 player, that will be using radio more than they did in 2005.

I concede there are those out there who will always want to program their own music (frustrated air personalities that can't get a PD gig), but the reality of radio is it is a broadcast media, so it can NEVER play individual playlists for every listener. So really, what can radio do to fight the mp3 player, zero, zip, nada.

One thing I will agree with you on. Radio must use technology to improve the final product. However, the panic everyone wants to instill (radio better shape up or it'll die off like the railroads and Montgomery Wards), is just as harmful as ignoring the those new copetitors.
 
>
> P.S: I'll save my rant on the "well-programmed local
> station" fallacy for another time.
>

Hey, just because you don't live in an area with a well-programmed local station mentality, don't bitch about it.

:Gasp: There are some stations still trying to be live and local. Whether it's a commitment to be live as much as they can weekdays and weekends or whether it's trying to have a live morning show to battle a syndicated giant, people are still trying to get it done.

Yes, the days of a fully staffed newsroom for most FMs are gone. Live and Local isn't just news anymore. It's an effort from the management and program directors to make their talent more than an annoyance in between songs. It's the transition of cheesy national prep to local prep.

But please, I'd love to hear your rant on the fallacy of a well-programmed local station.
 
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