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WEOA's translator at 98.5? Where is it?
- Thread starter Potts
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It was supposed to be on the air by now, but BLS Entertainment (the owner) has changed its location twice since getting the original CP last year. At first, it was supposed to broadcast from a tower near Darmstadt, then they settled on 14WFIE's old tower on Mt. Auburn Rd. ... now it's going to be on the WEOA (AM) tower off South Weinbach. Truthfully, to me, that made the most sense from the get-go.
As far as how well it will be able to overcome WQKZ, which is a 6 kW station if I remember right, that's going to be tough. I still can't believe the FCC would allow the two stations to be so closely located.
As far as how well it will be able to overcome WQKZ, which is a 6 kW station if I remember right, that's going to be tough. I still can't believe the FCC would allow the two stations to be so closely located.
There's a 220 watt translator less than 35 miles from WFDM 95.9 Franklin,IN. I'm 14 miles from WFDM and 36 miles from the translator. With enough antenna fiddling, I occasional hear the translator. Makes about as much sense to me as putting 2 6KW stations 71 air miles apart. Their translator will work but they'd best hope that all the population they're after is within 5 miles. Of course, they may have plans of moving the frequency before it hits the air.
BobOnTheJob said:There's a 220 watt translator less than 35 miles from WFDM 95.9 Franklin,IN. I'm 14 miles from WFDM and 36 miles from the translator. With enough antenna fiddling, I occasional hear the translator. Makes about as much sense to me as putting 2 6KW stations 71 air miles apart. Their translator will work but they'd best hope that all the population they're after is within 5 miles. Of course, they may have plans of moving the frequency before it hits the air.
I'm inclined to agree with you, Bob ... it just makes no sense. But, given 1400's meager nighttime signal, anything would be an improvement in the city limits of Evansville, and that's likely all they're going to get with this one. And I'm going without notes on this, but if memory serves, when BLS bought the translator from Edgewater (I think!) last year, it was on 98.7, and then the decision was made to move it to 98.5.
I have nothing to base this on but common sense, but I have a strong feeling that when the thing goes on the air, it'll have to be moved somewhere else on the dial ... but where???
jnewkirk77 said:BobOnTheJob said:There's a 220 watt translator less than 35 miles from WFDM 95.9 Franklin,IN. I'm 14 miles from WFDM and 36 miles from the translator. With enough antenna fiddling, I occasional hear the translator. Makes about as much sense to me as putting 2 6KW stations 71 air miles apart. Their translator will work but they'd best hope that all the population they're after is within 5 miles. Of course, they may have plans of moving the frequency before it hits the air.
I'm inclined to agree with you, Bob ... it just makes no sense. But, given 1400's meager nighttime signal, anything would be an improvement in the city limits of Evansville, and that's likely all they're going to get with this one. And I'm going without notes on this, but if memory serves, when BLS bought the translator from Edgewater (I think!) last year, it was on 98.7, and then the decision was made to move it to 98.5.
I have nothing to base this on but common sense, but I have a strong feeling that when the thing goes on the air, it'll have to be moved somewhere else on the dial ... but where???
Would 94.5
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...mat=&dx=3&radius=100&freq=94.5&sort=freq&sid=
or 95.3
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...mat=&dx=3&radius=100&freq=94.3&sort=freq&sid=
work?
The many frequency changes were the result of it's move and rebuild then move and rebuild then move and rebuild to get from Princeton to Evansville.
The Channel 14 site is much better than South Weinbach. More tower height available. At night the AM signal is lucky to hit Boeke or even Washington Avenue.
The South Weinback site is primarily to allow the Icemen to be hard at night in Henderson.
The Channel 14 site is much better than South Weinbach. More tower height available. At night the AM signal is lucky to hit Boeke or even Washington Avenue.
The South Weinback site is primarily to allow the Icemen to be hard at night in Henderson.
secondchoice said:jnewkirk77 said:BobOnTheJob said:There's a 220 watt translator less than 35 miles from WFDM 95.9 Franklin,IN. I'm 14 miles from WFDM and 36 miles from the translator. With enough antenna fiddling, I occasional hear the translator. Makes about as much sense to me as putting 2 6KW stations 71 air miles apart. Their translator will work but they'd best hope that all the population they're after is within 5 miles. Of course, they may have plans of moving the frequency before it hits the air.
I'm inclined to agree with you, Bob ... it just makes no sense. But, given 1400's meager nighttime signal, anything would be an improvement in the city limits of Evansville, and that's likely all they're going to get with this one. And I'm going without notes on this, but if memory serves, when BLS bought the translator from Edgewater (I think!) last year, it was on 98.7, and then the decision was made to move it to 98.5.
I have nothing to base this on but common sense, but I have a strong feeling that when the thing goes on the air, it'll have to be moved somewhere else on the dial ... but where???
Would 94.5
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...mat=&dx=3&radius=100&freq=94.5&sort=freq&sid=
or 95.3
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...mat=&dx=3&radius=100&freq=94.3&sort=freq&sid=
work?
94.5 might work, although it's adjacent to WBIO (94.7) ... but 95.3 wouldn't, since WKVN (K-LOVE) in Morganfield, which has a very good signal in Evansville, is also on that channel.
Channel moves are only 3 up or down or IF spacing. 98.5 could only go up to 99.1 or down to 98.1. The FCC has allowed build outs that weren't really built in the past. Now they are calling them serial translator movers like they are serial killers or something.
Because of tropospheric propagation and the river expect a same channel translator to die a horrible death during the time the mist is on the Ohio River morning or night. This in addition to other times the atmosphere is active. This has been an STL issue there forever.
At this site during the day even there were times when mist from the river in a fog would be at the site a lot of the day. It is less than a mile from the river.
Moving closer to the river and lower will make this a mess I am afraid to say. Still, good luck and hope the problems aren't as bad as I think they will be.
Because of tropospheric propagation and the river expect a same channel translator to die a horrible death during the time the mist is on the Ohio River morning or night. This in addition to other times the atmosphere is active. This has been an STL issue there forever.
At this site during the day even there were times when mist from the river in a fog would be at the site a lot of the day. It is less than a mile from the river.
Moving closer to the river and lower will make this a mess I am afraid to say. Still, good luck and hope the problems aren't as bad as I think they will be.
I wasn't sure about that, Marty ... but in any case, 99.1 and 98.1 would both be no-gos (WCFY has 99.1, WRAY 98.1).
And I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to be pretty.
And I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to be pretty.
jnewkirk77 said:secondchoice said:jnewkirk77 said:BobOnTheJob said:There's a 220 watt translator less than 35 miles from WFDM 95.9 Franklin,IN. I'm 14 miles from WFDM and 36 miles from the translator. With enough antenna fiddling, I occasional hear the translator. Makes about as much sense to me as putting 2 6KW stations 71 air miles apart. Their translator will work but they'd best hope that all the population they're after is within 5 miles. Of course, they may have plans of moving the frequency before it hits the air.
I'm inclined to agree with you, Bob ... it just makes no sense. But, given 1400's meager nighttime signal, anything would be an improvement in the city limits of Evansville, and that's likely all they're going to get with this one. And I'm going without notes on this, but if memory serves, when BLS bought the translator from Edgewater (I think!) last year, it was on 98.7, and then the decision was made to move it to 98.5.
I have nothing to base this on but common sense, but I have a strong feeling that when the thing goes on the air, it'll have to be moved somewhere else on the dial ... but where???
Would 94.5
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...mat=&dx=3&radius=100&freq=94.5&sort=freq&sid=
or 95.3
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...mat=&dx=3&radius=100&freq=94.3&sort=freq&sid=
work?
94.5 might work, although it's adjacent to WBIO (94.7) ... but 95.3 wouldn't, since WKVN (K-LOVE) in Morganfield, which has a very good signal in Evansville, is also on that channel.
I sorry the second possibility is 94.3 I got the link correct. "Sometimes the fingers are quicker than the brain."
And is there not an allocation in west Henderson County for 94.5? Smith Mills?
skippertthomas said:And is there not an allocation in west Henderson County for 94.5? Smith Mills?
Well, duh on my part ... yessir, as a matter of fact there is, and sure enough, I've even written about it. I just completely forgot about it in the meantime!
Which may be part of their logic. I recently learned that when a translator is displaced by a commercial station, it can move to any frequency...not just +/- 3 and IF. Being displaced by a commercial station can be quite a blessing it appears.
jnewkirk77 said:skippertthomas said:And is there not an allocation in west Henderson County for 94.5? Smith Mills?
Well, duh on my part ... yessir, as a matter of fact there is, and sure enough, I've even written about it. I just completely forgot about it in the meantime!
That allocation goes back at least fifteen years. The rumor at the time was Henry Lackey was pursuing the CP.
My understanding is that Henry actually did have the channel dropped in, but you know how the FCC is, having it allocated doesn't mean you'll ever get it. Back in the day, not long ago, competing apps led to comparative hearings and now it's all about which applicant can come up with the most money to pay Uncle Sam off for the right to use the frequency. I guess Henry just got squeezed out. A close friend had a frequency allocated in a far western state only to have about 14 competing applications when it came time to apply for the CP. A few years passed and the guy could have made 8 figures for it. It ain't right is it? You do the work and someone else gets the credit is what it amounts to.
The big joke is Smith Mills. It doesn't exist. After it was rumored I drove through. In the slough area there is a single building in what may have used to be a town. I am not sure there is even a post office these days.
About 200 in the unincorporated region of about 1.5 miles around.. That's all..
Potts said:My understanding is that Henry actually did have the channel dropped in, but you know how the FCC is, having it allocated doesn't mean you'll ever get it. ... I guess Henry just got squeezed out.
Potts is understanding is correct. (See hyperlink below)
Initially, Lackey, or to be exact, his lawyer petitioned for the allocation. Perhaps he thought it was 1947 and all he had to do was find the channel for another WSON-FM and file for it. Of course, by the time Lackey filed the petition in 1998, the FCC had been using the comparative hearing process (or variations of it) for CPs for decades. What convinced Lackey that he would be the sole applicant is still a mystery. In a point system, he simply wouldn't have prevailed. Perhaps the plan was to buyout the competing applicants. If so, the buyouts at the time were paying for other applicants swimming pools and mansions. The settlement numbers, even for marginal Class A's were staggering. Surely, he would have been dumfounded, if not sorely disappointed. In the end, Lackey inexplicably added a FM station which would have been direct competition to his own AM. The current owner of WSON is lucky that allocation was amended to a non-comm. It all adds up to some bizarre thinking by the attorney and his client.
http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Mass_Media/Notices/1998/da980290.txt
Potts said:My understanding is that Henry actually did have the channel dropped in, but you know how the FCC is, having it allocated doesn't mean you'll ever get it. Back in the day, not long ago, competing apps led to comparative hearings and now it's all about which applicant can come up with the most money to pay Uncle Sam off for the right to use the frequency. I guess Henry just got squeezed out. A close friend had a frequency allocated in a far western state only to have about 14 competing applications when it came time to apply for the CP. A few years passed and the guy could have made 8 figures for it. It ain't right is it? You do the work and someone else gets the credit is what it amounts to.
A tragic story of someone who became caught up in the transition from comparative hearings to highest bidder comes from North Carolina. http://www.mountainx.com/article/11127/The-800-pound-gorilla
BobOnTheJob said:Which may be part of their logic. I recently learned that when a translator is displaced by a commercial station, it can move to any frequency...not just +/- 3 and IF. Being displaced by a commercial station can be quite a blessing it appears.
Maybe I'm requesting "secrets" I'm not privy to, but when can Connersville expect a WELL-DESERVED translator for 1580 WIFE, Bob [like in Shelbyville and Centerville/Richmond—THAT must be a "sore spot" for Mr. Rogers]!
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