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West & Curley filling in on 97.3 afternoons

I was listening today in my car and for a second there I thought I was pleasantly halucinating. What a breath of fresh air. Mike West and John Curley were a fantastic team and were well-spoken on KIRO. The same cannot be said of Ron and Don. Perhaps there might be a surprise awaiting R & D when they get back from their vacation on January 4th.

One can only hope.
 
It's not the first time they sat in for R and D. This is like their 2nd or 3rd time filling in and each time they sound better and better.

The flow, pacing, freshness, more funny and relateable, tuned into the community, natural sounding-you name it, it's hands down better than what one usually hears. Too bad listenership is down cuz people missed a good show.

If Bonneville wants some of those listeners back :-\ this could be a glimpse of what could do it for them.
 
bruhhahahahahah. tuned in and that show is a train ticket to nowhere :p Did you really listen cause it was boring and scattered and a pile of cow pie radio :p Maybe the idea is to put on someone so bad that ron and don seem good ;) Cool thing with the ole PPM is you can pull up the two weeks these clowns were on and see what happened. I predict half the R@D ratings and those weren't any good either :-* Leave broadcasting to the pros, not TV guys and DJ's from the past. Hey maybe the Robin and Maynard show every loves on this board that I have never heard come back and do mid-days on 97.3 too ;)
 
Well, I enjoyed their show as well. And I am not sure how PPM would work on a holiday week when all the listeners are out of their normal routines. A good test would be a couple weeks in March.

This petty hate on this board is getting pretty tiresome. It feels like there have been easily 20 or more intelligent, interesting posters who have almost all abandoned ship because of the incoherent ravings of 3 or 4 haters. The postings on this board have gone way down, the unique users on this board have gone way down, and it seems like the quality of conversation has devolved into nothingness.

I know what I'd love to see.

I'd love to see more postings from the sales side of our business. $$$ drive the decisions and we know who drives the dollars. Thank you DJDan and a couple other who have helped me understand what motivates owners and operators.

I'd love to see more engineers, telling me how things work or why they don't- that is a part of this business that has always fascinated me but I'm a liberal arts major so...
I loved hearing about how KMIH gets it's sound to me. And what broke. And how they fixed it. FMSteve, I need more of you. And others, explaining to me why you can or cannot shoehorn another frequency in here and if you move this tower here, what happens there.

I'd love to see some interesting conversation as to what is going to happen to 104.5- who buys it, what is programmed, how does that affect other stations. Some may put down the size of the signal, but it will be similar to KNHC- which I listened to a couple of hours ago just south of Bellingham. I don't think a listener in Bellevue is going to care that it only has 7Kilowatts...she won't know.

I am happy that our two main local operators regularly post on this board. Thanks Andy and Bill! Would love to hear from the guys in Oly and Yelm and Shelton and Mt. Vernon and Silverdale and Forks as well.

I would like to hear from some of the "amateurs" from the high school and college ranks. What is your motivation? How can we help you? I would like to hear from the pirates and their motivations as well. Because they surely are not in it for the money.

Maybe I am asking too much here. But I see some maturity on other boards and I hope we are capable of this as well. Saying that a show with over 40 years of combined local media experience is "a pile of cow pie radio" doesn't strike me as particularly productive. We have "left broadcasting to the pros" for far too long- look around you.

Thanks.
 
I see no "attitude problem" here. I just would like to see more of the engineering info as I am a novice on that side and curious. Huge difference, and a prime example of what I am talking about here. I think you may have missed the point of my post. I am looking for more intelligent conversation and less name calling.
 
TakeItFromMe said:
Hey maybe the Robin and Maynard show every loves on this board that I have never heard come back and do mid-days on 97.3 too ;)
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Are you saying you never actually listened to R&M but feel that you can critique them?
 
IndigoCoyote said:
This petty hate on this board is getting pretty tiresome. It feels like there have been easily 20 or more intelligent, interesting posters who have almost all abandoned ship because of the incoherent ravings of 3 or 4 haters. The postings on this board have gone way down, the unique users on this board have gone way down, and it seems like the quality of conversation has devolved into nothingness.

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Maybe I am asking too much here. But I see some maturity on other boards and I hope we are capable of this as well. Saying that a show with over 40 years of combined local media experience is "a pile of cow pie radio" doesn't strike me as particularly productive. We have "left broadcasting to the pros" for far too long- look around you.

Thanks.
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While your request is IMO a very reasonable one that dog ain't gonna hunt on this board or any other forum where anonymous user registrations are permitted.

You want civility? More discussions about sales? Want to hear more from the mom & pops?

Put up your own forum, require users to positively identify themselves and moderate that forum with an iron fist.


Happy New Year to all.
 
"petty hate?" Hyperbole and satire yes, hate: No ;)

Here, let me be more gennnteel:

Doing a talk show in a major market requires experienced hosts with a background in talk radio. Like or dislike Ron and Don, they have the highest numbers on KIRO and have over decades of experience in this medium. John Curley is a television host that fills in from time to time on a variety of radio stations, but has no experience in long-form talk. He tends to ramble and fails to tease elements and stick to topic. Mike West has much radio experience, but most in music radio which is a different genre. While these two may be enjoying themselves as fill-in hosts, they lack mechanics, knowledge or experience to work in market 13 on a talk station or music station. I wish them no ill will, but did not find the listening experience compelling in today competitive talk environment. They, however, appear to be nice guys.

Better ;D
 
Yeah, better, because you explained yourself and the thinking behind your statement... I appreciate that. Thank you.

Now, that being said...I am not sure it is a great compliment to be the highest rated jocks on KIRO FM- though that they are on station 20 is not entirely their fault. Somebody has to be number one, no matter how bad number one means. "Seasons in the Sun" was Number One, after all.

My reasoning behind my request is that I also monitor other boards on this service and don't seem to see as much in the way of personal put downs. But maybe that's just the Seattle way, passive aggressive behavior knows no bounds on an anon board. I suppose you are right.
 
TakeItFromMe said:
"petty hate?" Hyperbole and satire yes, hate: No ;)
While these two may be enjoying themselves as fill-in hosts, they lack mechanics, knowledge or experience to work in market 13 on a talk station or music station.
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And, Ron & Don meet these criteria?

This thread reminds me of how skewed the imbalance is between Kapital & Labor. There are--what?--maybe 10-20 radio broadcasters in the ENTIRE NATION who have anything that appears to be job security.... This should be a loud & clear message to aspiring radio people: Great job when you're 23; awful when you're 53.
 
It is often amusing to me that so much is made of a particular station being "number one".

From a programming standpoint, a 5.7 share vs the next guy's 5.3 share doesn't mean a lot. It means that the first guy is missing 94.3 % of the audience and the second guy is missing 94.7 %.

From the agency viewpoint, it means more because all the 22-year-old buyers can go on is numbers... small samples extrapolated to meaningfulness.

It's interesting that while in fact, everyone's different, most of us think that everybody thinks like us. For every one of us that thinks a particular show is good, there's another 95+ % of us that prefers something else.

So if I like a certain show, I'm part of the 4.9 or 5.7 or 6.3 or 7.1 %. Management knows they aren't going to generate a 100 share; they have to choose which 4, 5, 6, or 7% they want.

Re: experience. Tepper did okay. Where was his extensive experience?
 
Let me express my little two cents worth on why I can't listen to KIRO very long...

Those Dave Smith spots that YELL at me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this KIRO's only advertiser? I have to turn the dial, or the volume every time one of these annoying spots come on.
 
While I don't fit the "if you don't have something nice to say, just don't say anything" ethic, I also don't appreciate postings that call people names and just reflect the poster's prejudices without having some reason for saying why they do or don't like something, or suggesting options for the local broadcasters to consider. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and why come back for more if that's what you're going to get every time to try to read, or post, a suggestion or idea that either gets shot down by a couple of "insiders" or by wannabes who think they need to imitate the Type-X management that won't hire them.

But then they're just echoing the kind of civility they hear on many of the stations in this country. I've also noticed the "comments" people can post after news items on the Seattle Times website are likewise often mean spirited and snarky. Too much imitating bad sitcom 'gotcha" one liners, maybe?

Just makes me turn away from the website when it's dominated by rudeness and people unable to have a dialogue. And I think I am unaminous in that, as the late Mrs. Slocombe used to say.

I'm not asking for yes men or people speaking in code to get a point across. Just act like we're in person at the local watering hole where the news media and radio folks hang out (is there one anymore? -- probably not enough patrons left for such a bar to stay in business!). And follow the advice that used to be posted at the Center for Southern Culture in Memphis before it got shoved off of Beale Street for a club that could pay higher rent, "Be Nice or Leave."

Maybe we could all start using more "I" statements. In other words, "I don't like Ron and Don because they sound like top 40 disc jockeys instead of journalists to me" is more useful, I think, than calling them are a pile of crap. And "I" statements shouldn't be hard to do for the egos that are often required to work in this medium, since we often like to talk about ourselves...
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
...don't appreciate postings that call people names and just reflect the poster's prejudices w/o having some reason...
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..but if you replace your statement's wording of 'postings' with 'on-air shows'
and the word 'poster's' with 'on-air host', isn't that like radio in general?
 
Thank you IndigoCoyote for your thoughts and honesty.

I do think I have found a positive way to look at the situation: The real challenge is peoples adverse
ability to change. Let's all say this together" Radio has changed and will never be the same."
Feel better? You should. That statement is a fact, but does it mean bad news ahead?

No it does not. Indigo brings up a great point. How about hearing from of the younger folk. Well my son is a sophomore
at Central Washington University. He has had his own show since he was a freshman. The station plays incredible music.
www.881theburgh.com My point is my son asked me dad, "If radio is trouble right now why should I pursue it? I told him,
"Radio is not in trouble, it is in transition." By the time you graduate it will be what it will be for the next 20 years" hopefully....

My point is change. Change can be good. But people are really set in their ways. You would have thought this recession would have
taught us some gratitude or given us a reality check and yes corporate radio ruined radio 'as we knew it.' Say it loud and proud guys!

Those who do not change will slowly fade away. Whether it's age or apathy. I have a huge music background, but I'm a sales guy.
And I've seen the landscape change is oh so many ways in the last 15 years. Is it fair? No, but who said life or radio was fair? No one,
we are in the entertainment biz. you can't forget that.

I'll say this CBS and CC: Stick your banner ads up your rear end. Radio to me is sitting across the table from a business owner,
finding what is unique about him, then writing and producing a quality spot that will evoke a listener to actually listen and consider purchasing the product...
I know crazy thought. But that is what I love about radio. And when it works? It is heaven. We all know it does not work all the time and especially if you do not approach your campaign correctly.

I'll never make half of what I made and sure, I'll tell my boss I'm super positive about selling the web, but I'm old school and I bet this
style comes back in spades. It will also come back on air in the form of compelling DJ's. Just hang tight.

Now then if you truly love radio, roll with the changes. I kinda think when everything is left standing after the dust, it will be old time old school radio.
There just won't be very much money. But what do you love more?

I will be returning to Seattle radio in the near future. I know, I know I'm entering into the Lion's den, but it is what I do and guess what?
I still love radio. I don't love corporate radio and that is what is fading and a new model will emerge in the next 5 years and it will be
a lower scale, but pure. Less money for everyone myself included and way better radio. I'm okay with that. I'll manage my money moving forward
and do what I love.

The model is going to change. We cannot hang on with gripped fingers. The change can be a good one if you look at it differently.
I personally realize I'll never make the money I've made in the last 10 years. I'm okay with that. That is reality. And all the negative posters I understand
within reason. Corporate radio has changed a lot of lives for the worse. It is true, but lets move on.

Also I was home for Christmas and listened to local radio (sports) and it was great.
Seattle radio is STILL a great product when compared to other cities. Relax folks.
 
RealityBites said:
Those who do not change will slowly fade away. Whether it's age or apathy.
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That quote bears repeating here:

Those who do not change will slowly fade away.
 
And please people, pull your head out and stop with the whole 'radio is on deaths door' garbage. Radio is being affected by the same thing many people and business are today. Buy a newspaper, watch TV, or listen to a radio station that doesn't have music; the problem is the economy.

The facts are (I know, why let that cloud the delusion?), but radio listening is at AN ALL TIME HIGH. Repeat after me..ALL...TIME...HIGH. Even higher cume in pure numbers than in the 1960's or 1970's that many of you seem to remember as being the hay days.

Much to the dismay of you armchair radio hobbyests; people don't want a bunch of personality, they want MUSIC, lots and lots of their favorite music for free. And exactly why would any radio station pay for expensive local talent to blather on and on when you could capture the listening with, oh...what the listeners want? To me, one can't have more of a "duh" moment than that.
 
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