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Westwood One adds new 24/7 Good Time Oldies format to replace Scott Shannon's TOC

That's like saying that Wally Phillips or Ron Chapman or Bill Tanner are not legendary.

You don't have to have been on WABC or WLS to be "legendary" within the business.

Being "legendary" within the business doesn't mean diddly-squat to the listeners who are outside the business. The only thing that affects whether or not a new syndication format succeeds or fails is whether or not enough listeners find it to be the least objectionable thing on the air at the time. Being a "legend" to industry insiders means bupkis.
 
Being a "legend" to industry insiders means bupkis.

Nobody said it did, Mr. Negativity.

Another poster in this thread mentioned that the stars of New York City radio were unknowns for the most part outside the reach of the NYC signals. And the same for the Chicago or LA "stars" or, for that matter, the El Paso and Wichita legends.

But this is a radio forum, for both insiders and listeners. The insiders try to help the listeners understand the business side of the industry, and the listeners have to accept that our daily dialog includes "inside" stuff ranging from Total Line Reporting and panel turnover to research, sales needs and such.

The "insiders" also have to know when a listener is part of a significant affinity group and when a particular listener is just a kook or a jerk.
 
The three key words, right there.

Name me the jocks (not syndicated talk hosts) who, outside the business, were legendary...

There are indeed, some.

Casey, Ryan, Shadoe, Bob (Kingsley) and...

No, Robert W and Dan Ingram and Dr Don and other super jocks were not legendary except in their local markets.

Mr. Freed was legendary, of course, but only due to being brought up on charges.
 
Not a cheap shot at all. She posted under her maiden name, then did not disclose that Jim is her husband. No one cares about any of that, except that she was being intellectually dishonest.

Her first post was the press release. In her follow-up she, proudly, I might add, identified who she was.

Jim has had an impressive career, broadcasting from Abbey Road and the Cavern Club (saw that on his website), but I still had not ever heard of him until this thread.

That's odd. His is a well known and respected name among those in radio during the decades he has been part of the biz.

Take a look at http://www.americanradiohistory.com...rt=0&zoom_xml=0&zoom_query=Jim+zippo&zoom_cat[]=-1&zoom_per_page=10


And those who whine about short playlists should consider Jim a god of some kind...
http://www.americanradiohistory.com...00-09-16-OCR-Page-0041.pdf#search="jim zippo"
 
Her first post was the press release. In her follow-up she, proudly, I might add, identified who she was.
No, all we got from her was this:

Jim Zippo is a well known and respected talent, but of course I am biased. The trades such as R&R, Radio Ink, etc., commonly referred to him as "Legendary Jim Zippo."
She admits to being "biased" but that is it. You would have to read between the lines to determine that she is Mrs. Zippo.
That's odd. His is a well known and respected name among those in radio during the decades he has been part of the biz.
I'm sure that he is good, but he has apparently never been on anywhere that I could actually hear him.

Let's face it, the only reason why he is getting this gig is because they can apparently "afford" him, as opposed to some of the others who have been mentioned here. Even his wife admitted that he got let go from one of his past gigs because he got too "top heavy" for their budget.
 
No, all we got from her was this:

Let's face it, the only reason why he is getting this gig is because they can apparently "afford" him, as opposed to some of the others who have been mentioned here. Even his wife admitted that he got let go from one of his past gigs because he got too "top heavy" for their budget.

That's very simplistic.

(...and since this thread is spread across two gold forums and two individual markets due to RF Burns' original cross posting, it is hard to tell where the individual posts appears.)

Jim would be at the top of anyone's list for a new "oldies" type format. He has experience with the format and familiarity with doing good content in the syndication model. And he has the right sound for the format as described in the press release materials. Jim is a "chart topper" name for this kind of product.

Lots of us have seen or felt personally the effects of companies trying to adjust pre-recession salaries to the post-recession new media world. That's an industry-wide issue, not something specific just to Jim.
 
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OK, this is getting ridiculous. Let me address a couple of items and then I'm out!

1) From the beginning of my posts, I did mention that I am Zippo's wife and that I am, indeed, biased! I am his biggest fan, am proud of him and love to promote him.

2) Jim has been extremely successful in major markets, long before he became a syndicated jock. He did mornings at the "legendary" WDRQ (CHR) in Detroit and kicked Howard Sterns butt in the ratings. He also did mornings at WEAM (CHR) in Washington, D.C where he had tremendous ratings success, he built the CHR station KISS (can't remember the call letters) in Nashville from the ground up years ago. He was hired by a non-radio experienced owner and did the aerial topographical studies to determine the best site for the transmitter, applied to the FCC for the license of the station, secured the site for the studios and business offices, hired the GM, GSM, SM, Sales personnel, promotional staff, the Engineer, jocks and did mornings himself. He took the station from start up to #1 in less than six months. In a year's time the owner had a nice, proven product and sold the station. Jim was then lured to Dallas to KTKS (KISS 106.1) to do mornings. He's done mornings in Las Vegas, and other markets as well outside of syndication. Following KTKS (KISS) in Dallas, R&R did a story on how SMN owner John Tyler made a major move in syndication by being the first to bring a big name, personality driven talent to syndicated/satellite radio. Jim was the reason Pure Gold grew from a couple dozen stations to approximately 250 stations of all sizes (not just tiny markets or larger market rim shot stations...as David alluded to.) Jim also was the PD for Pure Gold and responsible for all the budgets and format grew in affiliation and revenue under his watch. He made BIG bucks there and was downsized for monetary reasons.

You (Avid) may not have heard of him, but a lot of people across this country have.

3) The trades have referred to Jim Zippo as "legendary" many times throughout the years. Again, that doesn't convince you if you haven't heard of him, but it is meaningful to people within the industry. His on-air presence and connection to the audience IS meaningful to the listeners he has made an impact on throughout all of Radioland. AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF MY POSTS...I ONLY ASKED FOR PEOPLE TO SAVE THEIR OPINION UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY HEARD THE NEW FORMAT, and that I...his wife and Westwood One are promoting the new format as something that will jump off the dial. Please remember, Jim Zippo is the jock Westwood One found most worthy to replace Scott Shannon. That also, is noteworthy.

5) Do you think "Wolfman Jack" was Wolfman Jack's real name? I had to laugh at the person who said something about how I had to use my maiden name because I wasn't truly behind him enough to use the name Zippo. Ha Ha! (See Jim's 1st Class FCC License with Radar Endorsement which is attached. Notice the signature.)

6) Jim was matched up in another syndicated format with other nationally recognized, "legendary" jocks Charlie Tuna, John "Records" Landecker, Eric Chase and Marty Thompson. Unfortunately the company doing the syndication was not properly funded and although it ran for awhile, all the jocks bolted because they didn't get paid. Rick Dees was also a part of the format, but he came last and left first. The others were willing to put sweat equity into the project and only bolted when they saw there was no chance of ever making any money with the format.

7) After getting "downsized" for monetary reasons from SMN/ABC Radio Network he, too started his own syndicated product that turned out to be under funded. We had investors lined up and start up money was released, but this was about the same time as the dot.com bubble burst and investors dropped out as the fear of loss from the collapse of the dot.com fiasco began, also one investor died. Again, I can dig up multiple PDFs of industry trades where they make reference to Jim being a legend, at various times throughout his career. Attached you will find one relating to the format Jim developed. Jim didn't let the under-funded and therefore not long running format stop him. He went on to do mornings at KQOL in Las Vegas, was successful there and then was brought in to be a possible back up for mornings at KLUV. He has remained there for over 7 years, happily filling in for morning drive as well as middays and pm drive, while doing a nightly 7p-11p show and working weekends. Last week alone he had 59 hours on his time sheet. He works more hours at KLUV than the full timers there work and is happy to do it. He also has been working p/t for Westwood One on their Classic Hits format.

Then, after the Cumulus/Westwood One merger took place Good Time Oldies was created to replace TOC and Jim was named to replace Scott Shannon. My excitement in this is that we are thankful to God for this heaven sent blessing. Again, we are hoping you will have the opportunity to listen and would welcome your feedback once you actually hear the format.

I think that's it. I truly do not mean to offend anyone with my comments or enthusiasm. Thanks for listening (reading.)

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Name me the jocks (not syndicated talk hosts) who, outside the business, were legendary...
There are indeed, some.
Casey, Ryan, Shadoe, Bob (Kingsley) and...
Those are good, but I would add MG (Machine Gun) Kelly, The Real Don Steele, and Charlie Tuna. I believe only Tuna has been mentioned here so far. I also like Dick Bartley and Mike Harvey, the weekend all-request program hosts. Any jock would almost have to be syndicated to even begin to approach "legendary" status.
No, Robert W and Dan Ingram and Dr Don and other super jocks were not legendary except in their local markets.
Mr. Freed was legendary, of course, but only due to being brought up on charges.
Being on a blowtorch signal is good, but not really enough to approach "legendary" status. And I get the feeling that Freed did himself in.
 
Those are good, but I would add MG (Machine Gun) Kelly, The Real Don Steele, and Charlie Tuna. I believe only Tuna has been mentioned here so far. I also like Dick Bartley and Mike Harvey, the weekend all-request program hosts. Any jock would almost have to be syndicated to even begin to approach "legendary" status.

Except for some appearances on syndicated shows, MG Kelly and Steele were not nationally known by audiences. They were, though, the guys we bought airchecks of and had our own jocks listen to so they could learn.

Yes, the syndicated voices are the ones who are known, within their formats, across the nation.

Being on a blowtorch signal is good, but not really enough to approach "legendary" status. And I get the feeling that Freed did himself in.

It was the night jocks on the AM blowtorches who got regional recognition. Biondi on WLS, while the daytime jocks... who were every bit as good, are only known for a hundred miles or so around Chicago.

There was a time when the KOMA night jock may have been the most listened to jock in America. That was when the ads for shows would say, "Wednesday in Las Cruces, NM, Thursday in Coffeeville, KS and Friday in Jamestown, ND and Saturday in Lamar, CO".

Of course, KHJ and KRLA and KFWB did not have night signals outside the local market... nor did KEWB, KFRC or KOBY or KYA in San Francisco.
 
OK, this is getting ridiculous. Let me address a couple of items and then I'm out!

Wonderful post. I loved the 1st Ticket... I have one, too... a relic of the regulatory environment 4 decades ago!

I wish you and Jim much success!

(And welcome to the radio Shark Tank!)
 
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Except for some appearances on syndicated shows, MG Kelly and Steele were not nationally known by audiences. They were, though, the guys we bought airchecks of and had our own jocks listen to so they could learn.
Yes, the syndicated voices are the ones who are known, within their formats, across the nation.
It was the night jocks on the AM blowtorches who got regional recognition. Biondi on WLS, while the daytime jocks... who were every bit as good, are only known for a hundred miles or so around Chicago.
There was a time when the KOMA night jock may have been the most listened to jock in America. That was when the ads for shows would say, "Wednesday in Las Cruces, NM, Thursday in Coffeeville, KS and Friday in Jamestown, ND and Saturday in Lamar, CO".
Of course, KHJ and KRLA and KFWB did not have night signals outside the local market... nor did KEWB, KFRC or KOBY or KYA in San Francisco.
Styx "went national" just from airplay over WLS. Don't think that we will ever see THAT happen again!

I used to love to listen to WLS, especially in the wintertime. While it might be below zero here in Tennessee, it would be -20, -30, or even worse, according to a listener calling in from Omaha! Made me glad to be here in (relatively) "balmy" Tennessee!
 
Styx "went national" just from airplay over WLS. Don't think that we will ever see THAT happen again!

I used to love to listen to WLS, especially in the wintertime. While it might be below zero here in Tennessee, it would be -20, -30, or even worse, according to a listener calling in from Omaha! Made me glad to be here in (relatively) "balmy" Tennessee!

In part of the early 60's I was in the daytime ultra-fringe of WLS... Omena, MI, just NW or Traverse City. I would listen in my Corvair to a fuzzy day signal, but at night it roared in and all of my friends and I knew how to sing along with "On top of a pizza, all covered with cheese..."
 


Wonderful post. I loved the 1st Ticket... I have one, too... a relic of the regulatory environment 4 decades ago!

I wish you and Jim much success!

(And welcome to the radio Shark Tank!)

Funny you mention Shark Tank...Jim did his show live over a shark tank when the 1975 movie Jaws came out. He also appeared as a singing shark on the Gong Show singing "Coney Island Baby" and was triple gang gonged by Peter Lawford, Susan George and Rip Taylor w/ Chuck Barris introducing Jim as "Jim Zippo and the Sea Weeds." The Sea Weeds were a barber shop quartet Jim rounded up from his listening audience at KFXM in San Bernardino/Riverside. Couldn't pass up mentioning that one! A video must exist somewhere, wish we had one.
 
I guess I did cross pollinate, didn't know the rules. I was originally responding to the multiple mentions in NYC, Atlanta and Dallas where a reference was made to WW1 cancelling Scott Shannon and his TOC.

Then RF Burns brought on his rain on the parade attitude...when I was simply offering congrats to Jim, John Summers and long time friend Kevan Browning and info as to the replacement of TOC being GTO.

My reference to being Zippo's wife can be found early on in the Dallas forum.

I said this, "No, I'm his CEO...Chief Exploitation Officer!!! Love to promote him because I have always been his biggest fan. I'm his wife so it's perfectly natural that I am biased! No one can disagree with that, I would hope! And yes, I have the "cheerleader" in me...Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders 82-85 and Head Cheerleader and Choreographer for the Houston Rockets 80-81, so I'm qualified!"

Then some discussion came up about the many parties we used to hold in our home theater "Zipporama." Just a little fyi to clarify. :)
 
Hey, Lori! Thank you for that great news. I hope one of the stations in east central Mississippi carries this.

I really like Jim Zippo. I still have the Zippo Trading Cards that I won from him back in 1990.

I wish this new network great success.
 
Can anyone who keeps claiming that he is "explaining the business" to us mere listeners explain why having a DJ who is only well known to a relative handful of listeners too old to be in a desirable demographic will somehow make any sort of difference in getting better ratings for a new oldies format that has no apparent difference from the old oldies format it is replacing, except for those "legends" most of us listeners never heard of and don't care about?
 
Look at this! A little old fashioned micro marketing and someone proud and kind enough to promote someone. In 2014! I like it. Lori - we ALL wish we had someone like you promoting us and caring. Jim is nit only a talented guy, but dang lucky to have you as his wife. I say, name you honorary President of this Board! We all could use a little straightening out.
 
Avid - your post makes perfect sense. Even in 2014. They should have gotten some real stars like Don Henley. Dionne Warwick and Stevie Wonder.
 
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