WFAA flubs final nightline!

[arnoldevns]

Dale Hansen kept chattering on at the end of sports and WFAA wound up joining Ted Koppell's final Nightline in progress!!! We missed the first few lines - at least - of his final introduction.

What in the world is going on at Channel 8???


Geez!

 

[nuzguy]

> Dale Hansen kept chattering on at the end of sports and WFAA
> wound up joining Ted Koppell's final Nightline in
> progress!!! We missed the first few lines - at least - of
> his final introduction.
>
> What in the world is going on at Channel 8???
>
>
> Geez!

Dale is--and on and on and on and........................
>

 

[Slambang]

> > Dale Hansen kept chattering on at the end of sports and
> WFAA
> > wound up joining Ted Koppell's final Nightline in
> > progress!!! We missed the first few lines - at least - of
>
> > his final introduction.
> >
> > What in the world is going on at Channel 8???
> >
> >
> > Geez!
>
> Dale is--and on and on and on and........................
> >
>
Dale just has a big mouth, he's one of those fellas who probably talks to himself just to hear his voice I quit taking his word as gospel many years ago when I discovered a little network called ESPN.

 

[nuzguy]

> > > Dale Hansen kept chattering on at the end of sports and
> > WFAA
> > > wound up joining Ted Koppell's final Nightline in
> > > progress!!! We missed the first few lines - at least -
> of
> >
> > > his final introduction.
> > >
> > > What in the world is going on at Channel 8???
> > >
> > >
> > > Geez!
> >
> > Dale is--and on and on and on and........................
> > >
> >
> Dale just has a big mouth, he's one of those fellas who
> probably talks to himself just to hear his voice I quit
> taking his word as gospel many years ago when I discovered a
> little network called ESPN.

Kind of nervy--holding the air so that Koppel, on his last NL program, is upcut. Wonder what would happen in the halls of Channel 8 if Dale had simply been cut off to hit the net feed on time. Of course, that would have dumped the anchors' good night, too, making for an abrupt and awkward news close.

Do on-air people there get time cues through their IFB or from the floor? Or both? Does Dale pay attention to either?
>

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

> Do on-air people there get time cues through their IFB or
> from the floor? Or both? Does Dale pay attention to either?
Yes they do, audio wise and visual. Dale has been thee over 20 years,he is a legend in his own mind. Ch.8 doesn't feel they can punish Dale etc. The late Marty Haag could and did on occasion.
Let's review:A new weather guy, new studio set,reformatted format, reformatted morning show, new news director and they are in third place. Their website is in a state of denial with their annoying "popunder" ads.You try to read the story only to have it blocked for aleast a minute or more by the ads. Does Ch5, Ch.11 or Channel 4 have them?..NO.Kathy Clements-Hill has stated they need them to offer something different thant the other channels.She is partially correct, The difference "Ask the Manager and the popunder ads".Everything else the other stations offer,even without a sign in.
Belo's crown jewel has lost a few diamonds and the last one is very loose. Marty took the station from last to first and it stayed that way under his leadership for a quarter century.Troy, Gloria,JohnMcaa ,Brett knew what it waslike to work for a station admired from peers across the country with several awards in recognition. Now it is the but of jokes and some tune in to se what gets fouled up next. Belo needs to ask Kathy for her resignation, they won't,she was a sales manager.That's the nature and root of the problem. sales people sell not program,and audiences see that and switch channels. Ch.8coming close to being tied with Ch.33 unles someone at Belo knows programming ,especially news grows some nads and takes over this once proud station,instead of it being mired in jokes,and gaffs.

 

[317C50KW]

Koppel and ABC got what they deserved

Dale has been thee over
> 20 years,he is a legend in his own mind.

And Ted Koppel isn't? Please. ABC strong armed its affiliates years ago into carrying Ted as soon as late local news was over (the O&O's had no choice).
Do you think markets like Atlanta, Miami, Boston and Dallas. where the strongest ABC affiliates are want the revamped Nightline? If they aren't too thrilled about it then think about markets like Waterloo-Cedar Rapids, Billings, Albany and Madison, where any extra avails are appreciated by everyone. When Ted announced his retirement earlier this year, I'm willing to bet that every affiliate General Manager smiled to themselves. The show has been nothing but a noose around the necks of the affiliates. Ted proved his pompus nature several years ago when the whole Letterman to ABC rumor got started. Sadly, ABC flinched. I give the revamped Nightline a year, the first affiliates to bail from the must-clear by September 2006. So go to HBO and make documentaries. Maybe win awards (which is what it is really all about). Tell us its for the love of doing it and that you're covering voices and stories that need to be heard. Fortunately I have control over what you say and when you say it, and I plan to exercise it by not caring one way or the other.

Several years ago, if they needed the time, 8 would delay Nightline's start by several minutes. That time was always put to good use and not to add 2 or 3 commercials. ABC put an end to that. Really Channel 8 should be congratulated for reminding the network and Ted who the boss really is.

 

[Spicerun]

Ch. 8 should get what they deserve (was Re: Koppel and ABC got what they deserved)

> Several years ago, if they needed the time, 8 would delay
> Nightline's start by several minutes. That time was always
> put to good use and not to add 2 or 3 commercials.

Sorry, but delaying Nightline's start by 30 minutes to run Entertainment Tonight (at a time much later than ET was supposed to air) is not what I consider to be 'good use'. Especially, IMO, when Entertainment Tonight is nothing but a 30 minute informercial for Hollywood Media Companies.

>ABC put
> an end to that. Really Channel 8 should be congratulated
> for reminding the network and Ted who the boss really is.
>

Actually, I congratulate ABC for making Channel 8 air more responsible programming at the times it is intended to be shown. In my view, Channel 8 has shown more than once that they'll pre-empty anything for a profit just to show junk. Personally, I think Ch. 8/Belo should just go independent, and let Ch. 68 carry ABC....everybody would benefit in the long run.

 

[317C50KW]

Re: Ch. 8 should get what they deserve (was Re: Koppel and ABC got what they deserved)

> > Several years ago, if they needed the time, 8 would delay
> > Nightline's start by several minutes. That time was
> always
> > put to good use and not to add 2 or 3 commercials.
>
> Sorry, but delaying Nightline's start by 30 minutes to run
> Entertainment Tonight (at a time much later than ET was
> supposed to air) is not what I consider to be 'good use'.


Please note that I said several minutes, not 30. If local content was more important than Nightline then Nightline was delayed.....shown in its entirety...and NOT joined in progress.

> Especially, IMO, when Entertainment Tonight is nothing but a
> 30 minute informercial for Hollywood Media Companies.

ET is crap, totally agreed.

In my view, Channel 8 has shown more than once that
> they'll pre-empty anything for a profit just to show junk.

And what is wrong about making a profit? Don't you like it when a little extra overtime or bonus comes your way. Isn't that profit?

If you can do better, then cool and have fun doing what you think should be done. By the way, the shareholders and mutual fund holders do expect a return on investment, you'll have to find working capital somewhere and it won't be like getting an auto loan from the credit union.

Big 3 network news is an albatross. Fox realized this and doesn't burden its stations with it, knowning that an agressive local will handle news in a way that best serves the market. Case in point is Good Day which is 1/6th of Fox 4's broadcast day. News at Noon, 5-6:30 and 9-10:30 take up nearly another 1/6th on Channel 4.

News is a marketable commodity, whether we like it or not. You live and die by your "Brand." Why do CNN and Fox cable ratings jump when politics get real juicy or there's a hurricane ready to make landfall? Because they have established a brand.

Chances are their coverage will be nothing to write home about, but there's a certain cache for viewers, a participatory feeling that you can't get from the big 3 and is getting to harder to get from a local.

Back in the day when a degree in Radio-Television and a minor in Journalism or Marketing was respected, those "ivy covered professors behind ivy covered walls" (thanks Tom Lehrer) preached the PICAN sermon....public interest convienence and necessity with the airwaves being owned by the public. Beautiful idealism, but as we head into 2006 the whole concept of mass communications has changed, I certainly could have never guessed in 1973 that we would be having this debate this morning via high speed computers and interconnects. Change is hard to swallow, finally we who know and love this business are having to taste it. Are you willing to accept change? Can you adapt and make it work for you? That's the question we all have to ask ourselves.

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

CH.8 BLEW IT,not too surprising.

> Back in the day when a degree in Radio-Television and a
> minor in Journalism or Marketing was respected, those "ivy
> covered professors behind ivy covered walls" (thanks Tom
> Lehrer) preached the PICAN sermon....public interest
> convienence and necessity with the airwaves being owned by
> the public. Beautiful idealism, but as we head into 2006
> the whole concept of mass communications has changed, I
> certainly could have never guessed in 1973 that we would be
> having this debate this morning via high speed computers and
> interconnects. Change is hard to swallow, finally we who
> know and love this business are having to taste it. Are you
> willing to accept change? Can you adapt and make it work
> for you? That's the question we all have to ask ourselves.
>
When I read your post,it came across as a Gm/salesperson point of view,not programming. Sure things change,but FOX's way is confirming "The vast wasteland" statement of a former FCC chairman over 30 years ago.Ted has an ego no doubt,but he lived up to his repsonsibility as a journalist. He informed not entertained,and most importantly BALANCED IT. FOX doesn't do that,they embellish the facts and leave other facts out. Ted reported it with all the facts and no dramatic phrasing.Ted was well received and has on occasion beaten Latenight and the Tonight show,plus it gave night time viewers a choice.The awards were well deserved,and sponsorship has been on a waiting list,in short the audience was there. The problem today is,lets' talk about Ben Affleck and company,because it sells,and ignore informing the community with information that could directly or indirectly affect them. The license of any broadcast outlet stipulates serving its community. "Wheel of Fortune""Entertainment Tonight","Jeopardy"and"Access Hollywood"does not fit into that description, Nightline does. I'm also detecting that you feel Ted was one of them LIBERALS,thus your commentary is tainted from a political perspective,not objective.

 

[bpatrick]

Re: Koppel and ABC got what they deserved

> Dale has been thee over
> > 20 years,he is a legend in his own mind.
>
> And Ted Koppel isn't? Please. ABC strong armed its
> affiliates years ago into carrying Ted as soon as late local
> news was over (the O&O's had no choice).

Not necessarily, especially in the Central Time Zone. WKRN/2
Nashville still delays Nightline, and in your backyard, I
believe KSAT/12 San Antonio is still delaying it as well.

Channel 8, though, has a history of letting its 10 PM news
run past the allotted time. I can remember that back in
the '70s, before Nightline was even a gleam in Roone Arledge's
eye, Channel 8 ran movies at 10:30, but it was not uncommon
for them to start as late as 10:40.

> Do you think markets like Atlanta, Miami, Boston and
> Dallas. where the strongest ABC affiliates are want the
> revamped Nightline? If they aren't too thrilled about it
> then think about markets like Waterloo-Cedar Rapids,
> Billings, Albany and Madison, where any extra avails are
> appreciated by everyone. When Ted announced his retirement
> earlier this year, I'm willing to bet that every affiliate
> General Manager smiled to themselves. The show has been
> nothing but a noose around the necks of the affiliates. Ted
> proved his pompus nature several years ago when the whole
> Letterman to ABC rumor got started. Sadly, ABC flinched. I
> give the revamped Nightline a year, the first affiliates to
> bail from the must-clear by September 2006. So go to HBO
> and make documentaries. Maybe win awards (which is what it
> is really all about). Tell us its for the love of doing it
> and that you're covering voices and stories that need to be
> heard. Fortunately I have control over what you say and
> when you say it, and I plan to exercise it by not caring one
> way or the other.
>
> Several years ago, if they needed the time, 8 would delay
> Nightline's start by several minutes. That time was always
> put to good use and not to add 2 or 3 commercials. ABC put
> an end to that. Really Channel 8 should be congratulated
> for reminding the network and Ted who the boss really is.
>
If the new Nightline doesn't make it, WSB/2 Atlanta will probably
be the first station to put it on delay; they can always put
Inside Edition after their 11 PM news. I don't know what
WFAA could put at 10:35 your time, but since they used to delay
Nightline, they're sure to find something if worse comes to worse.

 

[bpatrick]

Re: CH.8 BLEW IT,not too surprising.

> > Back in the day when a degree in Radio-Television and a
> > minor in Journalism or Marketing was respected, those "ivy
>
> > covered professors behind ivy covered walls" (thanks Tom
> > Lehrer) preached the PICAN sermon....public interest
> > convienence and necessity with the airwaves being owned by
>
> > the public. Beautiful idealism, but as we head into 2006
> > the whole concept of mass communications has changed, I
> > certainly could have never guessed in 1973 that we would
> be
> > having this debate this morning via high speed computers
> and
> > interconnects. Change is hard to swallow, finally we who
> > know and love this business are having to taste it. Are
> you
> > willing to accept change? Can you adapt and make it work
> > for you? That's the question we all have to ask
> ourselves.
> >
> When I read your post,it came across as a Gm/salesperson
> point of view,not programming. Sure things change,but FOX's
> way is confirming "The vast wasteland" statement of a former
> FCC chairman over 30 years ago.Ted has an ego no doubt,but
> he lived up to his repsonsibility as a journalist. He
> informed not entertained,and most importantly BALANCED IT.
> FOX doesn't do that,they embellish the facts and leave other
> facts out. Ted reported it with all the facts and no
> dramatic phrasing.Ted was well received and has on occasion
> beaten Latenight and the Tonight show,plus it gave night
> time viewers a choice.The awards were well deserved,and
> sponsorship has been on a waiting list,in short the audience
> was there. The problem today is,lets' talk about Ben Affleck
> and company,because it sells,and ignore informing the
> community with information that could directly or indirectly
> affect them. The license of any broadcast outlet stipulates
> serving its community. "Wheel of Fortune""Entertainment
> Tonight","Jeopardy"and"Access Hollywood"does not fit into
> that description, Nightline does. I'm also detecting that
> you feel Ted was one of them LIBERALS,thus your commentary
> is tainted from a political perspective,not objective.
>
Koppel has certainly been accused of being liberal: case in
point, the Sinclair bailout when he read the names of the
Americans killed in Iraq. But regardless of his politics
(and I don't really care what they are), you are precisely
on-target. There are times when the networks need to give
the public what it NEEDS to know, not necessarily what it
WANTS to know. I can look at my students, who know all
about "Ben Affleck and company," but can barely find Iraq
on a world map.

The bad thing is that ABC, CBS, and NBC are owned by
conglomerates responsible to their stockholders. There
are no Bill Paleys, Frank Stantons, David Sarnoffs, Bob
Kintners, or Leonard Goldensons around anymore to make sure
the networks don't forsake their journalistic responsibilities.
Consequently, I fear the ultimate triumph of the Fox school
of news. But take heart: if you have BBC America you get
a much more informative newscast than anything produced here.

 

[stan_the_man]

Re: Koppel and ABC got what they deserved

> Dale has been thee over
> > 20 years,he is a legend in his own mind.
>
> And Ted Koppel isn't? Please. ABC strong armed its
> affiliates years ago into carrying Ted as soon as late local
> news was over (the O&O's had no choice).
> Do you think markets like Atlanta, Miami, Boston and
> Dallas. where the strongest ABC affiliates are want the
> revamped Nightline? If they aren't too thrilled about it
> then think about markets like Waterloo-Cedar Rapids,
> Billings, Albany and Madison, where any extra avails are
> appreciated by everyone. When Ted announced his retirement
> earlier this year, I'm willing to bet that every affiliate
> General Manager smiled to themselves. The show has been
> nothing but a noose around the necks of the affiliates. Ted
> proved his pompus nature several years ago when the whole
> Letterman to ABC rumor got started. Sadly, ABC flinched. I
> give the revamped Nightline a year, the first affiliates to
> bail from the must-clear by September 2006. So go to HBO
> and make documentaries. Maybe win awards (which is what it
> is really all about). Tell us its for the love of doing it
> and that you're covering voices and stories that need to be
> heard. Fortunately I have control over what you say and
> when you say it, and I plan to exercise it by not caring one
> way or the other.
>
> Several years ago, if they needed the time, 8 would delay
> Nightline's start by several minutes. That time was always
> put to good use and not to add 2 or 3 commercials. ABC put
> an end to that. Really Channel 8 should be congratulated
> for reminding the network and Ted who the boss really is.
>

I dunno about that strong-arming.....for many years, KLTV (Tyler/Longview ABC) would carry Nightline as late as 11:35, preceding it with reruns of Cheers, Frasier, and MASH....but in recent years....especially with the growth of ABC's late night schedule, KLTV has moved it to 10:35...