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WFAN and WCBS Newsradio in HD-3

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radioguy39nj

While visiting the NY Auto Show this past weekend, I sat in a 2013 Hyundai Azera which was equipped with HD Radio. I tuned the dial first to 101.1 HD-3 and got to hear WCBS Newsradio in crystal clear sound. Just like what CBS News listeners in San Francisco and Chicago get to hear on the main FM signal.

I then tuned to 92.3 HD-3 and got to listen to a bit of the Mets game. Being a Sirius subscriber since 2003, I'm used to hearing sports, particularly NFL games, in crystal clear sound. Listening to baseball on FM was a novelty for me, but quite enjoyable. Listeners in markets as close as Philly and Boston get to hear their teams on FM. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening in New York anytime soon. :)
 
The 97.9 signal is pretty weak. I was driving into CT last week on I-84 heading east from Danbury. I tuned to 97.9 around the Southbury/Middlebury area and there was no signal at all. I know this is because they have to protect WSKQ from NYC. WUCS really doesn't become listenable until Waterbury. Even when driving through Farmington it seemed a bit scratchy compared to other Hartford stations. But it's certainly better than trying to listen to the Yankees on WPOP.
 
radioguy39nj said:
While visiting the NY Auto Show this past weekend, I sat in a 2013 Hyundai Azera which was equipped with HD Radio. I tuned the dial first to 101.1 HD-3 and got to hear WCBS Newsradio in crystal clear sound. Just like what CBS News listeners in San Francisco and Chicago get to hear on the main FM signal.
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The problem with WCBS HD-3 is that there is about a 2-minute delay compared to WCBS-AM. This can be pretty annoying when listening to news and sports..."Traffic and Weather together on the 0's" :)
 
ansky212 said:
The 97.9 signal is pretty weak. I was driving into CT last week on I-84 heading east from Danbury. I tuned to 97.9 around the Southbury/Middlebury area and there was no signal at all. I know this is because they have to protect WSKQ from NYC. WUCS really doesn't become listenable until Waterbury. Even when driving through Farmington it seemed a bit scratchy compared to other Hartford stations. But it's certainly better than trying to listen to the Yankees on WPOP.
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There's a Portugese translator on 97.9 in Naugatuck or Waterbury that makes WUCS unlistenable in Waterbury and very scratchy in Wolcott.
 
Here in Ocean County, NJ near exit 82 on the GSP, WFAN and WCBS usually come in quite well during the daytime but aren't quite as clear at night. Both stations can be received on my clock radio. Unfortunately, when your car approaches overhead wires the buzzsaw begins. On a road without overhead wires, reception on both stations is fairly clear. Of course, not as clear as in North Jersey.

So the Yankees are on FM in Hartford. The Jets are on FM here in Ocean County on classic rocker 105.7 The Hawk. :)
 
radioguy39nj said:
Here in Ocean County, NJ near exit 82 on the GSP, WFAN and WCBS usually come in quite well during the daytime but aren't quite as clear at night. Both stations can be received on my clock radio. Unfortunately, when your car approaches overhead wires the buzzsaw begins. On a road without overhead wires, reception on both stations is fairly clear. Of course, not as clear as in North Jersey.

So the Yankees are on FM in Hartford. The Jets are on FM here in Ocean County on classic rocker 105.7 The Hawk. :)
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I always thought that was interesting. 660 suffers from fading in Toms River but 880 doesn't. I figured there was another 660 somewhere underneath causing the problem

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
The fading you hear in South Jersey is from WWJZ 640, the Radio Disney affiliate out of Mount Holly. They're running HD and the sidebands interfere with WFAN.
 
wgliradio said:
The fading you hear in South Jersey is from WWJZ 640, the Radio Disney affiliate out of Mount Holly. They're running HD and the sidebands interfere with WFAN.
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No, that fading has been doing it for years. Long before HD or that 640 was on at night.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
MarcB said:
Hartford, Connecticut too. The Yankees just moved to FM in Hartford this season. - 97.9 ESPN WUCS. Sounds much better on 97.9 FM than 880 AM.
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And don't forget, WKXP/WZAD's "The Wolf" where they're still carrying Yankees baseball on both 94.3 and 97.3 in the Hudson Valley listening area. I listened to Yankees baseball on "The Wolf" and it still sounds loud and clear, just like the one you hear on CBS-FM's HD3 channel at 101.1. As you know "The Wolf" also plays country music while they're carried Yankees baseball all season long.
 
@WGLI: I've heard Radio Disney bleeding in and out with 66 WFAN in Midtown Manhattan and I too thought it was WWJZ, but I stuck around for a TOH legal and sure enough, it was 1560 WQEW. Quite a blowtorch...
 
DToTheJ said:
@WGLI: I've heard Radio Disney bleeding in and out with 66 WFAN in Midtown Manhattan and I too thought it was WWJZ, but I stuck around for a TOH legal and sure enough, it was 1560 WQEW. Quite a blowtorch...
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There's actually a good explanation for this. If your radio's intermediate frequency (IF) is 450 kHz (and most AM radios are), you can hear an image of a strong station +/- 900 kHz (2 x 450) away. I grew up with a signal on 1460 in my backyard, and it consistently wiped out 560 on most radios. (1460 - 900 = 560).

1560 - 900 = 660....
 
Scott Fybush said:
DToTheJ said:
@WGLI: I've heard Radio Disney bleeding in and out with 66 WFAN in Midtown Manhattan and I too thought it was WWJZ, but I stuck around for a TOH legal and sure enough, it was 1560 WQEW. Quite a blowtorch...
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There's actually a good explanation for this. If your radio's intermediate frequency (IF) is 450 kHz (and most AM radios are), you can hear an image of a strong station +/- 900 kHz (2 x 450) away. I grew up with a signal on 1460 in my backyard, and it consistently wiped out 560 on most radios. (1460 - 900 = 560).

1560 - 900 = 660....
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and, was it also received on your toaster, too?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
wgliradio said:
The fading you hear in South Jersey is from WWJZ 640, the Radio Disney affiliate out of Mount Holly. They're running HD and the sidebands interfere with WFAN.
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Not anymore. WWJZ stopped transmitting HD some time last Fall -- and now NYC's own Disney affiliate, 1560 WQEW, has dropped it as well!
 
Scott Fybush said:
DToTheJ said:
@WGLI: I've heard Radio Disney bleeding in and out with 66 WFAN in Midtown Manhattan and I too thought it was WWJZ, but I stuck around for a TOH legal and sure enough, it was 1560 WQEW. Quite a blowtorch...
Click to expand...

There's actually a good explanation for this. If your radio's intermediate frequency (IF) is 450 kHz (and most AM radios are), you can hear an image of a strong station +/- 900 kHz (2 x 450) away. I grew up with a signal on 1460 in my backyard, and it consistently wiped out 560 on most radios. (1460 - 900 = 560).

1560 - 900 = 660....
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I found that happened by an OTA viewer in South Toms River with WABC-7. It was knocked out by nearby 92.7 WOBM because of IF. I suggested for an ABC affiliate, he would have to swing over to Philly for WPVI-6 until a solution would be found.

IF is one of those sneaky critters that will drive you nuts until you do the math.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
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