I am originally from San Francisco and began listening to Free FM once The Dog House moved to NY after being terminated from ClearChannel. I now live and listen from LA. During this time I've gotten to listening to DiPaulo and Ron & Fez via the live stream as well. The Dog House and O&A have had a few tiffs in the past, but I thought I'd give em a shot and all I hear is complaining about the job. If it's so bad, why don't they just go somewhere else. I probably listen to at least six hours of WFNY each day minimum and I can't wait for WFNY to become the Free FM superstation as Carolla sucks. I just hope they get better drive time hosts . . .
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gotta agree with you on this...Opie and Anthony are being given an opportunity of a lifetime here, to do a show for terrestrial and sattelite at the same time, hitting millions of people each time...But all I have been hearing from them as of late is the constant bull-ISH...My reasoning why we are hearing all this crap from them is because they don't wanna admit to the drop in their numbers and address it with there listeners, where as if JV & Elvis' numbers were that bad they would be straight forward in many occassions they have been and have asked there listeners to please spread the word of the show to there friends to increase the numbers and see where that has gotten them, word of mouth has trumped the millions put into advertising for the Opie&Anthony show...So what do they do???RIP John Mainelli for trying to give them advice in what parts of there show needs working on...Maybe this is because he wants the show to succeed, instead Opie rips into Mainelli by sayin how good the show was "back" in the days at WNEW...Also by saying we are the ones that have done it our way for so long and we know it works...
If that was the case we see how well t worked with your dismissal from WNEW, we see how good it is working in the case of your fan base dropping off...Seriously maybe instead of telling your loyal listeners that can't make it to XM for the next part of the show to go F themselves, try doing it the way that every show after you does it...Show some respect to the next show by announcing them and leaving like men...
Final note...
What is with the Dog House ALWAYS starting there show anywhere between 9 and 12 minutes after the 9 o'clock hour???
If that was the case we see how well t worked with your dismissal from WNEW, we see how good it is working in the case of your fan base dropping off...Seriously maybe instead of telling your loyal listeners that can't make it to XM for the next part of the show to go F themselves, try doing it the way that every show after you does it...Show some respect to the next show by announcing them and leaving like men...
Final note...
What is with the Dog House ALWAYS starting there show anywhere between 9 and 12 minutes after the 9 o'clock hour???
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Big Daddy Matt said:
The same reason whatever followed Stern started between 9 and 12 minutes of whatever their scheduled time was.
[quote The same reason whatever followed Stern started between 9 and 12 minutes of whatever their scheduled time was.
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Wouldn't be so bad if the Mid-Day show came on 12 min late if the show on before was very entertaining or had great ratings. Seems Like the last three months the CBS side of the O and A show has been 60 % complaining. It has worn me out, they need to figure out how to re-invent themselfs or go back to satlite. It seems very Strange that wit all the promotion they have had from CBS that the real benefactor has been XM. Think about it Opie and Anthony are now purposly using bad language and using the "DID YOU GET THAT AL" bit guess what the XMR's hear that whole thing. No dumping, no cut out or Dead air. I think the plan was / is this. Get as many people to listen to us as possible, do a BIG STUNT and get fired from CBS now we get money from CBS and a large amount of people siging up to XM. I am sure O and A have a subscribtion Bonus with XM.
I hope I am wrong and CBS turns the corner, I really like the format. I think it needs help in the west and more dedicaton in the East. I have listened to all the show on Free Fm New york and can say they have a good line up (except radio chick) I don't get her show. I think O and A need to decide what they want, play the game and figure a way to do good radio with the restrictions you have or go back to XM.
BTW all the show's on XM have these restrictions. I believe Nick and JV and Elvis's ratings have been on the up swing.......
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Wouldn't be so bad if the Mid-Day show came on 12 min late if the show on before was very entertaining or had great ratings. Seems Like the last three months the CBS side of the O and A show has been 60 % complaining. It has worn me out, they need to figure out how to re-invent themselfs or go back to satlite. It seems very Strange that wit all the promotion they have had from CBS that the real benefactor has been XM. Think about it Opie and Anthony are now purposly using bad language and using the "DID YOU GET THAT AL" bit guess what the XMR's hear that whole thing. No dumping, no cut out or Dead air. I think the plan was / is this. Get as many people to listen to us as possible, do a BIG STUNT and get fired from CBS now we get money from CBS and a large amount of people siging up to XM. I am sure O and A have a subscribtion Bonus with XM.
I hope I am wrong and CBS turns the corner, I really like the format. I think it needs help in the west and more dedicaton in the East. I have listened to all the show on Free Fm New york and can say they have a good line up (except radio chick) I don't get her show. I think O and A need to decide what they want, play the game and figure a way to do good radio with the restrictions you have or go back to XM.
BTW all the show's on XM have these restrictions. I believe Nick and JV and Elvis's ratings have been on the up swing.......
Foe Paw said:
Care to elaborate?
It's not the same reason. The reason why the show after Howard started late is because Howard was doing a very successful and popular talk radio show in the mornings while the rest of the day on K-rock was more or less jocks playing music. Howard at the time was the staple of that station and had the ratings to go over his time limit because the music could be heard anytime. Julie Slater wasn't creatively doing another talk radio show, she was there to talk about radio station promotional events, take a few calls/ requests and play music. At that time there was no one listening to Howard in the morning and getting pissed off because Julie Slater wasn't on to play music.
It's apparent that O&A have not pulled the numbers they need in order to start doing whatever the hell they feel like. They've tried doing whatever they feel like with consequences- the fact that they repeatedly have to be reprimanded my management so that they can complain for a third of their show each morning. Does that make for good radio. For some maybe, but I think it's getting a bit old.
The real reason why JV and Elvis have to start their show late everyday is because Opie likes to "by accident" spill his food and drinks all over the boards in the studio. What are we dealing with here- two radio shows who don't like eachother but move on and do good radio shows? Or is it two morning show hosts acting like 5 year olds thinking, "well if we can't get ahead, lets make sure no one does by spilling things and making a mess in the studio". This is what O&A fans consider great radio?
I've listened to O&A, I gave them a chance and occasionally while on my way to work in the morning I find that they can do some interesting radio...but then here comes the childish behavior. This is why JV&E have to start late everyday. If that's how they want it fine, but it still doesn't change the fact that they're lacking in ratings and dissapointing to many people as a morning show. If someone can tell me how spilling coffee or cheerios on the boards is going to change their ratings, I'll be happy to listen. Otherwise it's childish, immature and completely ridiculous. It won't stop JV & Elvis from growing and doing radio shows that I find entertaining, if anything it's helping them out.
Foe Paw said:
ROFL, come on guy O&A ain't no Stern. In the books they're just barely a DLR.
Look when O&A and The Dog House got into a tiff over things, O&A told The Dog House 1 very simple thing. "If you hate it here so bad, if you're gonna sit on the air and complain over things then go back to San Francisco". Now all they do is sit there and complain about how CBS won't give em a spot in the Superbowl or whatever. Go earn a spot in the Superbowl, don't sit there and whine. They should take the advice they gave The Dog House and just go back to XM Only. This schtick gets old quick, just like Tom Leykis out here has become the nagging house wife he so desperately hates, O&A have become everything they always complained about with regards to "Hoo Hoo".
CBS took a big risk as a corporation hiring them after their record. Their ratings are in the toilet, the same ratings that got DLR ish-canned. Mainelli, who has over 30 years of radio experience, comes in and tells em hey why not try a little of this and a little of that and they come out swinging. The fact that they still have a job after getting a wambulance called on them proves that CBS is giving them all the support in the world.
If they're gonna be whining all day long about how bad their million dollar jobs are, maybe they should be on PM drive when people are pissed at their bosses after a long days work and can relate. The morning drive time is a different beast and these guys just don't fit the morning drive slot. Most of the pests agree that they were much better in PM drive than today. If the die hards can see that this isn't as good, the casual listeners gonna see it too.
Besides what happened to adapting to the new rules that "Hoo Hoo" couldn't cut it under??? O&A can be entertaining, but as a listener who just made WFNY his new favorite station I don't understand why they are on at all. . .
Radio is a cult of personalities. I make no qualms that I am clearly part of The Dog House cult and have been since day 1 on KYLD. I get my radio imported (via Internet stream) from NY. As an observer from LA I've noticed that WFNY has a few serious problems that will continue to keep the station down.
1) O&A have been syndicated and on XM for a long time. They've built their base and changed the formula akin to Coca-Cola/Coke 2. They always point to the WNEW success whenever anyone gives them criticism, constructive or otherwise and then claim the show is evolving and if you don't like it, then don't listen. Their die hards attacked O&A on Wackbag when the last book came out because they were looking for an excuse, a wake up call that might help get the point across clearer. For CBS the ratings mean advertising revenue, thus survival. The morning show is the foundation of any station and that means ensnaring new users with their personalities. Spending 60% of the show talking smack about how horrible they have it, how management is trying to tell them what to do (hello, their your boss . . .) just gets annoying and casual listeners tune out to different stations. O&A were established in NY, their ratings should be higher than DLR after 1 year in the prime time radio slot.
2) The promotional machine of WFNY. As a station they aren't really doing their best to promote the shows they have. This is probably because Mainelli is still trying to figure out what the magic recipe will be for the station as a whole. Once all the dust has settled I'm sure this will be #1 priority.
3) Ego's. Everyone has an ego at WFNY. Chuck from the Radio Chick attacks the Dog House listeners, Opie tells people who aren't following on XM to "go f' themselves" and so forth. The Dog House is not innocent on this either still thinking they are living in the glory days of KYLD and sometimes behaving as such (bring the ratings in first guys, although it's obvious your ratings are headed in the right direction). Everyone in the line-up needs to build some serious comradery in order to sound sincere when the mic is handed off to the next show. This is important for the future of the station. I know as a die hard Dog House fan I didn't give O&A a shot until The Dog House started saying good things about them, even though it may not have been true The Dog House sounded sincere. The Dog House said they and O&A were cool now and that they were just like a bunch of competitive siblings that had a spat.
4) Corporate restrictions. The FCC sets a standard and CBS has gone way above and beyond, to the point of lunacy. An all talk station is really targeted for an older audience. Usually the young-ens are listening to music on the radio, or an ipod of some sort. The language restrictions on CBS are so far above and beyond the FCC that JV & Elvis sound like they are trying to pussyfoot around things while talking to little kids when they have adult topics. Some may say avoid those topics but this is a talk station with an adult demographic, so without "some" adult conversation it will get stale quick. There's only so long you can talk about the current events without getting very repetitive, especially when you have an all talk station.
I keep hearing rumors that WFNY will be the superstation for Free FM and I just can't wait. The Internet stream has issues from time to time and that wrecks my entire day. LA Radio sucks, bleh.
1) O&A have been syndicated and on XM for a long time. They've built their base and changed the formula akin to Coca-Cola/Coke 2. They always point to the WNEW success whenever anyone gives them criticism, constructive or otherwise and then claim the show is evolving and if you don't like it, then don't listen. Their die hards attacked O&A on Wackbag when the last book came out because they were looking for an excuse, a wake up call that might help get the point across clearer. For CBS the ratings mean advertising revenue, thus survival. The morning show is the foundation of any station and that means ensnaring new users with their personalities. Spending 60% of the show talking smack about how horrible they have it, how management is trying to tell them what to do (hello, their your boss . . .) just gets annoying and casual listeners tune out to different stations. O&A were established in NY, their ratings should be higher than DLR after 1 year in the prime time radio slot.
2) The promotional machine of WFNY. As a station they aren't really doing their best to promote the shows they have. This is probably because Mainelli is still trying to figure out what the magic recipe will be for the station as a whole. Once all the dust has settled I'm sure this will be #1 priority.
3) Ego's. Everyone has an ego at WFNY. Chuck from the Radio Chick attacks the Dog House listeners, Opie tells people who aren't following on XM to "go f' themselves" and so forth. The Dog House is not innocent on this either still thinking they are living in the glory days of KYLD and sometimes behaving as such (bring the ratings in first guys, although it's obvious your ratings are headed in the right direction). Everyone in the line-up needs to build some serious comradery in order to sound sincere when the mic is handed off to the next show. This is important for the future of the station. I know as a die hard Dog House fan I didn't give O&A a shot until The Dog House started saying good things about them, even though it may not have been true The Dog House sounded sincere. The Dog House said they and O&A were cool now and that they were just like a bunch of competitive siblings that had a spat.
4) Corporate restrictions. The FCC sets a standard and CBS has gone way above and beyond, to the point of lunacy. An all talk station is really targeted for an older audience. Usually the young-ens are listening to music on the radio, or an ipod of some sort. The language restrictions on CBS are so far above and beyond the FCC that JV & Elvis sound like they are trying to pussyfoot around things while talking to little kids when they have adult topics. Some may say avoid those topics but this is a talk station with an adult demographic, so without "some" adult conversation it will get stale quick. There's only so long you can talk about the current events without getting very repetitive, especially when you have an all talk station.
I keep hearing rumors that WFNY will be the superstation for Free FM and I just can't wait. The Internet stream has issues from time to time and that wrecks my entire day. LA Radio sucks, bleh.
I think the one issue here is that Opie and Anthony were known as an afternoon show for so many years. Their edginess, and ability to skirt the borderline of decent and indecent worked well at that time of day. In my humble opinion they just are not what they were when they did afternoons on WNEW. Then again that was many years ago, times have changed, and most of us have grown older and have developed different tastes. I've listened to JV and Elvis via the stream from time to time, not bad, somewhat refreshing, amusing, yet intellectual. Maybe you tinker with the lineup a bit and move JV and Elvis to mornings, the Radio Chick to mid-days, and O&A back to afternoons, followed by Ron and Fez. I think much of this has to do with folks remembering them and comparing them to those PM Drive Days. I'm still a fan, and I'll take them over Howard any day, but sometimes you just have to admit that your not suited for a particular position or time slot.
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UncleBozzle said:
I agree 100% with changing the time slots around. O & A are missing that morning energy that the morning show should have. They are a afternoon drive slot and that is where they should be. The radio chick is also missing everything that is needed in afternoon drive. She was and still is maybe a Midday show. So with that said, maybe moving The Dog House( which is high energy) into morning drive, The Chick to middays( she has a big contract or I would send her packing) and O & A to afternoon drive( they keep saying themselves "WNEW days"). Afternoon drive is a major part of the station also, so it's not really a slap in the face, more like moving shows into the slots that work for them. Will they be pissed....I am sure, but as Opie said we are millionaires now, so that is due to CBS. If Cbs wants to move you...that's life. As for O & A fighting with John Mainelli , that's BS. Mainelli has 30+ years in radio and he really does get it. The last time I heard a show talk about an e-mail from the PD and read it on air, that was DLR. And we see how far that got him.
I'am a long time Doghouse fan here in the bay area. Like any other loyal fan, we are still waiting for them to get syndicated here in SF. I just don't understand why CBS cant figure this things out. We all know that FREE FM here is not doing well and why a show that dominated the airwaves here for a decade or so is not given a spot....If CBS need a quick fix, give a Doghouse a Drive time spot and sydicate them here in West coast, they will dominate again....
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kabewm said:
The realy problem and we all know it is that CBS never does the right thing. They have had the Dog House for over a year now and not done anything with them. Everyone in the world knows that they killed in SF. Even Stern's numbers did not pass them. Being a show that was #1 for over 10 years in SF, and they (CBS) have a station that is about to fall off the map in SF.....Makes you wonder.
If The Dog House was correct about Free FM SF, they made it sound like the station is a ghost town. It's possible that no one there has the power to change it. Free FM LA has made Carolla THE Howard Stern replacement for the West Coast. Just like Free FM NY has made DLR/O&A THE Howard Stern replacement for the East Coast. There may just be too much momentum to stop it until Free FM LA concedes. Remember the Dog House has made it clear that they will not go on a delay to SF unless they are in am or pm drive time in NY & SF. They were offered middays in Free FM SF before O&A were, and they declined it.
Free FM LA needs to admit their mistake and drop Carolla. Free FM NY has a good team one too many DJ's. Get rid of the chick and give everyone else more time. Here is what my line up would be as an armchair PD:
Morning Drive: The Dog House
Mid Days: Nick DiPaulo
PM Drive: O&A
Evenings: Ron and Fez
That'd be the killer line up in my humble opinion.
Free FM LA needs to admit their mistake and drop Carolla. Free FM NY has a good team one too many DJ's. Get rid of the chick and give everyone else more time. Here is what my line up would be as an armchair PD:
Morning Drive: The Dog House
Mid Days: Nick DiPaulo
PM Drive: O&A
Evenings: Ron and Fez
That'd be the killer line up in my humble opinion.
I agree 100%!!
The doghouse would be perfect in the morning slot, they would get way better ratings than O&A are currently getting. I must admit I find myself trying to find ways to listen to them (internet stream, sneak a radio into work, etc.) while I'm at work and I know I'm not the only one... they have a huge following and they are funny, creative and talented.
That lineup would push WFNY up in the ratings!! It's just up to John Mainelli to put it together.. what if O&A say no to doing a pm drive show because they are on in the morning on XM? I doubt they would say no though.
DOGHOUSE IN THE MORNING!!! WHAAAAAAAAT!!
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The doghouse would be perfect in the morning slot, they would get way better ratings than O&A are currently getting. I must admit I find myself trying to find ways to listen to them (internet stream, sneak a radio into work, etc.) while I'm at work and I know I'm not the only one... they have a huge following and they are funny, creative and talented.
That lineup would push WFNY up in the ratings!! It's just up to John Mainelli to put it together.. what if O&A say no to doing a pm drive show because they are on in the morning on XM? I doubt they would say no though.
DOGHOUSE IN THE MORNING!!! WHAAAAAAAAT!!
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Yeah I'd have to agree with that too. The fact that the Dog house has already been a driving force in that area means it would be just plain stupid for them not to be syndiacted into that market again now that they are here in NY.
It is possible to have the Doghouse back in San Fran live from 6-9, as they are on 9-12 here. But I'm curious where O&A is. O&A are not going to do a split-shift show. It's either the XM simulcast or nothing, they aren't going to do eight hours of show a day. Plus, with Penn being gone, it takes a one-hour "logjam" out of the lineup for a lot of Free-Fms.
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Starscream said:
JV and Elvis turned down the SF gig because it was tape delayed, they wanted to be live. Adam has a big contract and that is why I am sure that they are not morning drive at this time.
PS...I am also hearing things that maybe Free FM in SF will be flipping...
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