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WFTL's Next Viable Format: Classical??

I've been doing my homework, folks, plus a lot of thinking about formats, selling them, and making a profit. Oldies in its current form of 60s/70s/few 50s has survived in Miami, aas well as a bumped up version in WPB.

Think about this: James Crystal is selling WJNA, even the pseudo-oldies with the older crowd, and before with the Nostalgia; I notice a lot of their advertisers are arts-related, culture-related, and human life interest-related; more so since the demise of WTMI and now WKAT, which had no pull in the Palm Beaches if at all.

Now, with the demise of localized 850AM as LIVE85, and currently mostly syndicated talk, on a new 50kw stick that booms into ALL THREE METRO areas of South FL (Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, and West Palm, and probably beyond all 3) day and night, and with fully equipped studios. I know 850 is a boomer because I drove from Broward to South Dade all the way to WPB one night with WFTL on my car radio, and it sounded like it was on FM.

If Crystal can pull off the Nostalgia/Standards/Pseudo-Oldies on WJNA and can SELL IT, put Classical on 850 and go with it.

Pull people from within who know the format and maybe even grab some old TMI and KAT jocks who KNOW the format, play whole movements and not edit them to death, and DO NOT BY ANY MEANS MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A MUSIC APPRECIATION CLASS, which will turn people off. My Music and Theatre Apprec. classes in college were kinder to me than WTMI and WKAT was when they called it quits. Model it after WGMS in DC; format it as a Soft AC with the 'ultimate oldies' and let it ride. Just play the music and make it enjoyable; people will listen, and if they don't know what they're hearing, those interested in knowing who it is, and there are a lot of people who do and will, will learn. Plus the studio line always comes in handy to ask 'what's that song?' a million times to drive the DJ nuts!

Plus, a good reason to restore the calls WDJA, & put FTL back on 1400 where it belongs. And if you shove billboards in the right areas saying Classical on 850, cross advertise on all other Crystal stations, you'll get a buzz going. When the theatre and music seasons really get fired up and they go year round, you can promote it to death and do a ton of remotes. Especially since that new stick sounds almost like FM if you jump the EQ highs up just a tad.....

Even with everything going on, there's still an arts community down here, and smart people who listen to radio who are older and buy things they hear on the radio. To tell you the truth, I'm multifaceted. I'm a theatre junkie, a film junkie, a writer, a video director, blah blah blah, and a broadcasting geek all rolled into one who believes that whatever one area of the spectrum does, the others are affected. I grew up on WCBS-FM (OLDIES) and WQXR-FM (CLASSICAL) in NYC and everything from the 1750s on down here on FM, AM sounds pretty kickass, especially if processed correctly. And people WILL listen to it for music, if presented in an alluring way and offers something not offered anywhere else on the dial, AM or FM.

After all this, I don't want to hear that Classical on 850 can't be sold; come up with ways on HOW it can be done. South FL's a unique radio market; Miami AND WPB. Some markets can handle a good Oldies station, others a Classical, others both, like DC. South Florida did it once; I'm sure she can do it again. 850's got minimal signal problems, is heard everywhere, and might be looking for another format soon. Crystal's taken a lot of risks; maybe this one would be a good one. Would be an interesting experiment.

WJNA's pulling off making money with the old to older crowd; why can't it be done as a package deal with Classical music? You get the smart, educated, old, older, AND the young who listen. AND buy.

Hey Steve Lapa and George Johns, you hearing this?? If you want workhorses, say the word and I'll sign up.

Here's your positioner: Classical 85, WDJA....got a pretty nice ring to it.
 
Classical 85 -- I like that.

> If Crystal can pull off the
> Nostalgia/Standards/Pseudo-Oldies on WJNA and can SELL IT,
> put Classical on 850 and go with it.

> Plus, a good reason to restore the calls WDJA, & put FTL
> back on 1400 where it belongs.

> Here's your positioner: Classical 85, WDJA....got a pretty
> nice ring to it.

I enjoyed your posting.

Great idea, never happen, I'm sorry to predict.

I think it's more likely to go Jack. JNA is halfway there,
with "adult hits".

James Crystal: Prove I'm wrong.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
September 2005 - South Florida Radio News</P>
 
Just what I'd want to listen to. Classical music on the great fidelity of AM radio. Wow! (Remember how successful WKAT was with that format? Why not try it again.

Sorry, but if I want classical, I can probably afford XM or Sirius in my car.
 
> Just what I'd want to listen to. Classical music on the
> great fidelity of AM radio. Wow! (Remember how successful
> WKAT was with that format? Why not try it again.
>
> Sorry, but if I want classical, I can probably afford XM or
> Sirius in my car.
>
That is 100% true, but do you support the arts in the area? That's a viable reason for attempting another classical station; one hand washes the other. There's money to be made in the arts and in advertising the arts to the right core audience.

Plus the local touch is nice, don't you think?
 
> > Just what I'd want to listen to. Classical music on the
> > great fidelity of AM radio. Wow! (Remember how
> successful
> > WKAT was with that format? Why not try it again.
> >
> > Sorry, but if I want classical, I can probably afford XM
> or
> > Sirius in my car.
> >
> That is 100% true, but do you support the arts in the area?
> That's a viable reason for attempting another classical
> station; one hand washes the other. There's money to be
> made in the arts and in advertising the arts to the right
> core audience.
>
> Plus the local touch is nice, don't you think?
>
Local is great, but it didn't work. WFTL (good bad or ugly) did local for 2 years and got very low ratings. Let's see how national syndication does.....
 
Let's call it LIVE 85 NOT WFTL

WFTL was on 1400 and had a great reputation for serving Broward with adult music and factual balanced news reporting of what was going on in Broward County.

WFTL died either when Amaturo sold the station or when the ARB decided to go to a combined book, take your pick. IMHO what came after was not WFTL at least not the WFTL I knew.

Mike Sheridan
1974-1978 on the Voice of Broward, Radio 14 WFTL
 
Re: Let's call it LIVE 85 NOT WFTL

> WFTL was on 1400 and had a great reputation for serving
> Broward with adult music and factual balanced news reporting
> of what was going on in Broward County.

Correct.

> WFTL died either when Amaturo sold the station or when the
> ARB decided to go to a combined book, take your pick. IMHO
> what came after was not WFTL at least not the WFTL I knew.
>
> Mike Sheridan
> 1974-1978 on the Voice of Broward, Radio 14 WFTL

Include the URL of your WFTL web site, Mike!

WFTL Reunion, 2003
WFTL in 1971
Bob Gordon at WFUN, WFTL, and WINZ
... and that's all WFTL 1400 stuff.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
<center>South Florida Radio Pages</center></P>
 
Website address by popular demand

I did a modest tribute site featuring the WFTL I knew. It's my first effort and needs to be reworked/updated. It took me a long time just to get what you see here. I'll see about updating it soon.

http://home.carolina.rr.com/wftl14/

Thanks for reminding me David!

MikeM
 
Re: Website address by popular demand

> I did a modest tribute site featuring the WFTL I knew. It's
> my first effort and needs to be reworked/updated. It took
> me a long time just to get what you see here. I'll see
> about updating it soon.
>
> http://home.carolina.rr.com/wftl14/
>
> Thanks for reminding me David!
>
> MikeM

It's a great site. Check it out. No charge!

(Except the Reunion link which I can't get to work.)

You should post this on the Classic Radio board.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
<center>South Florida Radio Pages</center></P>
 
Re: Website address by popular demand

> It's a great site. Check it out. No charge!
>
> (Except the Reunion link which I can't get to work.)

That's funny I don't know of anyone else having trouble with the Reunion Link. I have accessed it from various PC's and Macs without a problem....?

thanks!

Mike
just one of your "Friends at 14"
 
Let's call it a West Palm Beach radio station....

Which is what it really is, at the end of the day.....

Enough of the attempts at positioning it as a Miami or Ft. Lauderdale station...They are making me sick...

I really miss being able to hear Beautiful Music on 850, when they simulcast WEAT-FM, and it was BM, or when Sunny first signed on, they actually did the EZ format as "Easy 850" solo on AM for a bit.

Does anyone know anything about WCGY?? It supposedly was some type of automated AC format that ran on 850 briefly in the 80s..CGY for "Curt GowdY", who owned the stations....I really never have been able to find out much about that short lived stint.
 
Re: Let's call it a West Palm Beach radio station....

I used to listen to WCGY when I lived in Boston in 1983. WCGY was licensed to Lawrence, Mass but I was able to receive it in Boston.

WCGY was owned by Curt Gowdy Broadcasting Company.


> Does anyone know anything about WCGY?? It supposedly was
> some type of automated AC format that ran on 850 briefly in
> the 80s..CGY for "Curt GowdY", who owned the stations....I
> really never have been able to find out much about that
> short lived stint.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: Let's call it a West Palm Beach radio station....

> I used to listen to WCGY when I lived in Boston in 1983.
> WCGY was licensed to Lawrence, Mass but I was able to
> receive it in Boston.
>
> WCGY was owned by Curt Gowdy Broadcasting Company.

True, but he actually changed his 93.7 up there to "WCGY-FM" (with the 'dash'), to allow Gowdy's 850 in Palm Beach to change from WEAT(AM), to WCGY...WEAT on FM remained...
 
WEAT lineage

WEAT appears in the Network Affiliated AM Radio Stations, 1949 listing from Broadcasting Yearbook at 1490 AM from Lake Worth, NBC affiliate.

Is there a straight line from this WEAT to the current WEAT-FM and WFTL 850?

As in...

WEAT applies to move to WPB at 850

or

WEAT buys WPB 850

or

WEAT signs on FM

etc.
 
Re: WEAT lineage

> WEAT appears in the Network Affiliated AM Radio Stations,
> 1949 listing from Broadcasting Yearbook at 1490 AM from Lake
> Worth, NBC affiliate.
>
> Is there a straight line from this WEAT to the current
> WEAT-FM and WFTL 850?

As far as I know, WEAT/1490 is the same as WEAT/850, simply with a new frequency and COL...

I worked at WRUF/850 in Gainesville, a station that was on 850 first (since NARBA relocated it from 830 in the 40s)....However, by fluke of nature, WEAT parked itself on 850 when G'ville was already there, and commenced nighttime operation (before RUF was on the air at night), and Gainesville has to protect them, or at least that's what I used to get told.

WEAT AM and WEAT-FM were co-owned, that I know of (there were previous owners) by Curt Gowdy, then JJ Taylor Enterprises, then OmniAmerica, briefly by Chancellor (which dealt it out immediately to American Radio Systems), until ARS spun the AM off to James Crystal in the mid-90s, keeping the FM when ARS was 'swallowed up' by CBS/Infinity. James Crystal owned the "original" WFTL at 1400, and moved those calls to 850 around the time they upgraded what had become WDJA/850's power.

There was also a WEAT-TV...That's now WPEC-TV 12, but that was out of the picture in the 70s when Alex Dreyfoos' Photo Electronics Corporation (PEC) bought it.
 
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