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WFYL sold
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LANGER BROADCASTING OUTDOORS, LLC is selling Talk daytimer WFYL-A/KING OF PRUSSIA-PHILADELPHIA to ALAN and SUSAN LOCH's TRINITY ASSOCIATES BROADCASTING, LLC for $262,500.
That figures. I just found that station this week and was glad to be able to hear Savage again. And now it will be gone in order to make room for another "holier than thou" station.
Langer's been trying to sell WFYL for at least 2-3 years. I was contracted by a company a couple of years ago who was looking into purchasing the station to inspect the facility. If you don't mind a 1KW daytimer with an extremely inefficient antenna (they use a Valcom Whip), on a frequency that will most likely never be able to get licensed at night due to WHAM, I guess it's ok. The only upside is that they did, at one time, have a construction permit for a four-tower 2.6kw array aimed directly at Philly. (I have the paperwork on the CP, and it was for a diplexed array with WWDB. Whether or not that could ever be arranged is anybody's guess.)
WFYL originally went on with 400 watts, but the signal was so bad, they were able to get an almost immediate increase to 1kw --- which pretty much gave them the same signal they had hoped 400 watts would provide.
Regarding the new owner, a quick google shows that Susan Loch gave at least $17,800 to the Republican Trust PAC in 2008:
Susan Loch Contribution List in 2008
Name & Location Employer/Occupation Dollar
Amount Date Primary/
General Contibuted To
Loch, Susan G
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 Trinity Associates, Inc/Bookkeeper $200 11/02/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN TRUST PAC, THE
Loch, Susan G
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 Trinity Associates, Inc/Bookkeeper $200 10/24/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN TRUST PAC, THE
LOCH, SUSAN G MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER/HOMEMAKER $1,500 08/21/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
LOCH, SUSAN G MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER $450 04/17/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
LOCH, SUSAN G MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER $450 04/10/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
LOCH, SUSAN MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER $15,000 02/29/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
So..you may not lose Savage afterall. And please keep in mind, I am not presenting any material here that is not already publicly available, nor am I divulging business information of a currently extant company for which I contracted. Nor does any of this concern activity by or for my full-time employer.
WFYL originally went on with 400 watts, but the signal was so bad, they were able to get an almost immediate increase to 1kw --- which pretty much gave them the same signal they had hoped 400 watts would provide.
Regarding the new owner, a quick google shows that Susan Loch gave at least $17,800 to the Republican Trust PAC in 2008:
Susan Loch Contribution List in 2008
Name & Location Employer/Occupation Dollar
Amount Date Primary/
General Contibuted To
Loch, Susan G
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 Trinity Associates, Inc/Bookkeeper $200 11/02/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN TRUST PAC, THE
Loch, Susan G
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 Trinity Associates, Inc/Bookkeeper $200 10/24/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN TRUST PAC, THE
LOCH, SUSAN G MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER/HOMEMAKER $1,500 08/21/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
LOCH, SUSAN G MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER $450 04/17/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
LOCH, SUSAN G MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER $450 04/10/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
LOCH, SUSAN MRS
SWARTHMORE, PA
19081 HOMEMAKER $15,000 02/29/2008 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
So..you may not lose Savage afterall. And please keep in mind, I am not presenting any material here that is not already publicly available, nor am I divulging business information of a currently extant company for which I contracted. Nor does any of this concern activity by or for my full-time employer.
a little more backstory
(very little): http://rbr.com/new-owner-coming-to-philly-area-daytimer/
(very little): http://rbr.com/new-owner-coming-to-philly-area-daytimer/
Rene,
Didn't WNTP feature Laura Ingraham years ago? I thought so, but I don't know for sure. And is Savage still on WNTP in the middle of the night? I have to say that I respect and enjoy your contributions to this board, especially from an engineering point of view, but I boycotted 990 a long time ago.
Mike Gallagher made a comment a few years ago about how he wished for another terrorist attack on American soil in order to unite the American people as they were united shortly after 9/11. That was the worst comment I've ever heard from anyone on any radio station in my lifetime, and I can't bring myself to tune in to the station at all so long as he is there.
rtetro said:
Rene: I remember that CP (which, IIRC, was WFYL's original CP) as using three towers--one of WWDB's plus two new ones. I don't know whether the death of that CP preceded or followed Beasley's agreement with GM to allow WPEN to use the WWDB site and array at night. Although WPEN at night and WWDB are technically not a diplex (WWDB operates only by day and WPEN transmits from the WWDB site/towers only at night), I don't think that it can be argued that a third station using the same towers and diplexing with WWDB wouldn't have complicated the site significantly. Once Langer opted--or was pushed--out of the WWDB site, he had a heck of a time finding a site for WFYL. The site on the golf course was the best he could do. Supposedly, the antenna efficiency meets the Class D minimum (282 mV/m/kW @1 km). At 1180, the Valcom whip, which is only 94' high, is supposed to achieve the same efficiency as a conventional series-fed tower about 140' high. Perhaps that is not true, but Valcom appears to have convinced Media Bureau Engineering that it IS true because the FCC continues to grant low-power AMs CPs to use Valcom whips. The 94 footer is a rare bird. For AM use, most of these antennas are only 74' high and are used at 1400 and above. AFAIK, WFYL is the US's lowest-frequency AM that uses a Valcom whip.
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rtetro said:
I often wonder how talk stations decide on which hosts to air and in which time slots. So many of them, especially the ones at night, are pre-recorded from earlier in the day. Do you think it makes much of a difference to most listeners if they know they aren't listening to a show live?
In the case of WNTP, did they have to drop Laura Ingraham for Mike Gallagher because of its affiliation with Salem? Unless Salem stations are required to carry the Bennett/Gallagher/Prager/Medved/Hewitt package, I think Ingraham is a much better choice than Gallagher.
I'm south of York and WFYL is weakly audible during the day, about 80 miles away. WHAM is very weak in their null.
I never really understood why the only AM station in the remote area of McConnellsburg, Pa was allowed to 'move in' to the Philadelphia market with a new frequency & call letters, destined to be a non-player as a low-power daytimer in a major market where even some of the stronger AM signals have small audiences. If WNTP can hardly get any ratings with this style of conservative talk on the same station that once dominated the market, why try this on a little daytimer? Someone was glad it was 'local ownership' but if they run 3rd-tier syndicated shows, the owner could be anywhere. Maybe there'd be a niche for a full service daytimer with all the KOP traffic, but I'd guarentee most people even in the KOP area don't know there's an 1180 station unless it causes interference of their appliances (like the people in Roxborough who used to get WPGR on their toasters!).
John1 said:
1180 had a previous incarnation as a CP, but was never built out.
Does anyone know what this station is grossing yearly? I thought about buying it with a friend that owns a brokered radio format and doing the same on this station, fully brokered local radio. The big problem is that it's a pure day-timer and the people that want to buy time usually work during the day. So even though the best time for listeners is during the day much of the money comes in at night from 5 PM to 11 PM.
I think this station can do very well but political talk is not the way to go. Local talk could work if hosts are objective and friendly and have no political agenda. Truth is national talk programs like Limbaugh, Hannity etc., are just commercials for the world bankers. OOps sorry about going off course..
Does anyone know what WFYL-AM is grossing yearly?
I think this station can do very well but political talk is not the way to go. Local talk could work if hosts are objective and friendly and have no political agenda. Truth is national talk programs like Limbaugh, Hannity etc., are just commercials for the world bankers. OOps sorry about going off course..
Does anyone know what WFYL-AM is grossing yearly?
Can't help you with the gross, Josh. But to augment what Dave Williams mentioned about the signal, here is the radio-locator map.
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WFYL&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
We live halfway between Hazleton and Pottsville, in the upper left hand corner. WFYL is there every day, really weak but steady.
But that's on a good portable.
If the owners had stuck with the plan to serve their slice of the corridor along the Schuylkill, like WNAR 1110 had done long ago with a similar daytime AM signal, they might have done better. But syndication is not local (as John 1 drilled home).
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WFYL&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
We live halfway between Hazleton and Pottsville, in the upper left hand corner. WFYL is there every day, really weak but steady.
But that's on a good portable.
If the owners had stuck with the plan to serve their slice of the corridor along the Schuylkill, like WNAR 1110 had done long ago with a similar daytime AM signal, they might have done better. But syndication is not local (as John 1 drilled home).
josh said:
Wrong.
After 6pm spot revenue predominantly is reduced to ROS.
josh said:
Wrong.
2 wrongs in one post. Would you like to go for three? Three's a winner. Do I hear three? three? three? three?...
HI Sam,
I don't know of your background in radio but I am aware of your dad's background.
Regarding brokered radio time, it's likely that you are referring to national buys. That's not what I am referring to in this case though I duly respect your statement. Local guys and gals like to buy evening time on their respective local radio stations because for the most part they work during the day. If you are referring to recorded programs then that's different and if you are referring to national buys for stuff like nutritional supplements, etc, then you are correct.
If WFYL had night power it is very likely my partner and I would have purchased the station. It is easier to sell evening slots to locals that want to be live on radio than selling daytime slots.
My partner owns what I believe is the most successful brokered station in the Delaware Valley and I also do a little brokering on my stations so our experience is firsthand.
Regarding comment on Limbaugh, etc., my advice is to watch maxkeiser.com . It's not about Democrats versus Republicans as they one in the same. Just look at the list of advisors for Bush versus Obama - you'll discover it's the same bankers/ex-bankers that are hired as decision makers.
I don't know of your background in radio but I am aware of your dad's background.
Regarding brokered radio time, it's likely that you are referring to national buys. That's not what I am referring to in this case though I duly respect your statement. Local guys and gals like to buy evening time on their respective local radio stations because for the most part they work during the day. If you are referring to recorded programs then that's different and if you are referring to national buys for stuff like nutritional supplements, etc, then you are correct.
If WFYL had night power it is very likely my partner and I would have purchased the station. It is easier to sell evening slots to locals that want to be live on radio than selling daytime slots.
My partner owns what I believe is the most successful brokered station in the Delaware Valley and I also do a little brokering on my stations so our experience is firsthand.
Regarding comment on Limbaugh, etc., my advice is to watch maxkeiser.com . It's not about Democrats versus Republicans as they one in the same. Just look at the list of advisors for Bush versus Obama - you'll discover it's the same bankers/ex-bankers that are hired as decision makers.
josh said:
Ding. We have a Winner.
John1 said:
As far as the FCC was concerned McConnellsburg still has 2 radio broadcast licenses (WEEO-FM & WWCF) and King of Prussia gained a broadcast radio station where it had none before. Now what is actually done with the station is a completely different story :
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