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WGBH reduces jazz programming

raccoonradio said:
Big money at NPR...big salaries for hosts

Are you sure? Bob Edwards, in his 25th year (before being let go) as host of NPR's Morning Edition was pulling $505,132 annual.

This is after 25 years of hosting a popular, coast-to-coast AM drive show.

Wanna compare that with typical AM-drive salaries on major, local stations?
 
Good point...they do have some highly paid hosts and management but it may be less
than what happens at major market stations, or close to the same figure. Maybe I'm
wrong to think NPR would be taking a vow of poverty. Those seem like pretty humble
studios for 'GBH over on Guest St...not bad for "non-commercial" (snicker) radio...
 
RaccoonRadio, dude, you work at the US Post Office, and you do a show on a state-owned (and -funded) radio station. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and to your right to voice it here...I think any comments you make on the topic of "efficiencies", "overpaid employees" or the "non-commercial nature" of anything have to taken with a small mountain of salt. ::)

(Of course, I work at a public radio station, and have worked at or for public & college radio stations most of my career, so I have my biases as well!)

As for whoever suggested national underwriting on NPR affiliate shows, they already have that. WBUR disguises it somewhat because they (as is allowed in their affiliate agreement) choose to have their local talent read the national spots. You rarely, if ever, hear the dulcet tones of Frank Tavares on WBUR. Don't know about WGBH. But on a lot of stations, you'll hear Frank reading all the national spots. Frankly (pun intended) this is part of the problem. NPR is working hard to prepare for a future where it bypasses member stations and sends content directly to the public. The last three CEO's have denied that, but the evidence is overwhelming. NPR has just enough revenue coming in the door that's not made up of station fees that it might...emphasis on might...be able to weather the ugly transition period before it can start fundraising to listeners directly, and effectively destroy the entire radio network to stand on its own. Arguably this is inevitable; the one-way nature of radio broadcasting will eventually become obsolete enough in the face of two-way communications media (i.e. the internet) that not only will NPR not need member stations, it will be counterproductive to be associated with them.

The problem is that for numerous infrastructure-related reasons...the technology won't reach that point for at least a decade, possibly two or three. That's a long time to stab your member stations in the back preparing for D-Day while simultaneously demanding they fund your preparations through affiliate fees.

The substantial (although recently rather reduced) national underwriting revenue that NPR earns "independent" of member stations is enough to help NPR think that they CAN weather that transition period. If national underwriting were blocked and NPR was solely dependent on member stations' affiliate fees, I would argue that it would force everyone to work more collaboratively...albeit undoubtedly at a substantial cost in quality of the network product.

Back to this in a second...

WNTIradio - every business spends "other people's money" on things. That's what a business DOES. What exactly would you suggest they do differently?

Also, you're implying that CPB merely hands over giant wads of cash arbitrarily to larger stations. This is not true. Smaller stations actually get LARGER standard CSG (the annual Community Service Grant, mainstay of CPB funding to stations) amounts each year. It's the bigger stations that choose to receive a smaller fixed amount but can apply a multiplier against their annual NFFS (Non-Federal Financial Support...i.e. the money they raise underwriting, fundraising, etc) and since they have larger budgets, their total grant is naturally higher. This is not done arbitrarily. It's done to encourage all stations to increase their total incoming revenue, on the theory that stations that are more successful financially are ALSO more successful in fulfilling their mission of public service. The logic is that since direct listener support (i.e. fundraising in all its forms) is the bulk of most stations' financing, and that people wouldn't give the station wasn't serving them appropriately, that stations who earn more money must be fulfilling their mission.

I don't deny it's an imperfect system, but compared to the alternatives, it's pretty good. Much like famous saying by Churchill: "democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms".

BTW, all the specifics of how CPB allocations money can be found at www.cpb.org if you're really bored and feeling masochistic. :)

FWIW, however, I am inclined to agree that the CPB CSG system is getting outdated as a greater divide opens up between the "haves and have-nots" in public radio especially. And I'm not alone in that analysis, fundraising guru John Sutton also recently blogged about it, too. And how it's actually a much larger and far-reaching problem than most people realize, due to the goals of NPR becoming increasing divergent from the goals of member stations.
 
WNTIradio - every business spends "other people's money" on things. That's what a business DOES. What exactly would you suggest they do differently?

Yes, of course. But in a commercial radio station, it isn't directly the listeners (really, members') money. It comes from advertisers who support the station, and people who buy products from those advertisers.

As you well know, a noncomm gets a good chunk of its funding right from the audience, and the only "service" they pay for is the radio station. I think all public radio stations have a responsibility to spend that money wisely, instead of resorting to more and more begging. That doesn't mean that they should have ramshackle studios and equipment, but there are ways to have state of the art without going overboard. Neumann mics for on air? C'mon, that's overkill and a waste of money. I was the C.E. and Ops manager at WNTI... we had nicely appointed studios, a good transmitter and decent audio processing. But I also spent that money very carefully and wisely on what we really needed, not always what we wanted.

That's what I mean by spending "other people's money". Don't waste it, don't spend it on needless flashy things. A Toyota drives very well, a Ferrari a lot better. But both will get me to the same place in the same amount of time (sticking somewhat close to speed limits). You just may piss them off if you go to the well one too many times with a membership drive and then they don't come back.
 
Man, those Neumann mics really drive you over the edge! FWIW, the last time I was in the WGBH air studio, they were using RE-20's.
 
aaronread said:
NPR is working hard to prepare for a future where it bypasses member stations and sends content directly to the public. The last three CEO's have denied that, but the evidence is overwhelming. NPR has just enough revenue coming in the door that's not made up of station fees that it might...emphasis on might...be able to weather the ugly transition period before it can start fundraising to listeners directly, and effectively destroy the entire radio network to stand on its own.

Yup; hence my Frankenstein monster comment earlier in this thread. I used to be a staunch defender of NPR, but having acquired some recent experience behind the scenes in public radio, I am now convinced that Congress should kill NPR. It does as much to discourage creative diversity in local radio as any commercial broadcasting corporation you can name, and produces little that could not be done better by local stations.

aaronread said:
Arguably this is inevitable; the one-way nature of radio broadcasting will eventually become obsolete enough in the face of two-way communications media (i.e. the internet) that not only will NPR not need member stations, it will be counterproductive to be associated with them.

I don't believe that. Not everyone wants to interact. Only a tiny fraction of a station's listeners ever calls, writes, or otherwise interacts with the atation. The rest are content to sit and listen. The efficiency of over-the-air broadcasting in reaching a mass audience in real time is unmatched by any of the new technologies that purport to replace it. Moreover, the wireless industry is fast moving away from unlimited data plans and toward charging for bandwidth by the byte. That's not good news for providers of Internet streams or their customers.

Now, television is a different story. For most viewers, TV is already a subscription service, whether they watch on cable, satellite, or the Internet. The time is fast approaching when on-demand video downloads will eclipse viewing by any other route. That has to have WGBH far more worried than any conceivable erosion of their radio audiences, I think. What can you do with a TV station nowadays that can possibly compete with the convenience of a download?

But free over-the-air radio is going to be around long after we are dead, I predict.
 
USPS is funded by stamps--non-taxpayer money--but our recent efforts to fund retirements WAY into the future (mandated by the government)* have put us in debt and the govt. is trying to reduce that debt now. In the past we've made profits and have been forced to give the profit back to the government. It's kind of a quasi-governmental model. As for college radio
we're talking student actitivity fees, maybe some money via state taxes/the college but I
think it's stu. activity fees, not taxpayer dollars on the whole. Believe me if the govt wanted to increase taxes to help us we'd have a much bigger budget and studios with much better equipment.

I was floored a few yrs back by a tour of WAPS (Akron Ohio, Akron public schools)--clean,
great equipment, nice sound)--but they seemed to get a lot of big donorships plus listener support drives.

http://913thesummit.com/
Wikipedia entry: "In 1999, the station made a commitment to the Album Adult Alternative format under the branding of "91.3 The Summit"....In 2001, WAPS hired local professional on-air hosts to broadcast during prime time hours, while continuing to use volunteers on weekends and evenings, supplemented by student interns and community volunteers behind the scenes"

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*--Amer Postal Workers Union: "The provision, which requires the Postal Service to pre-fund health benefits, costs the Postal Service more than $5 billion annually and has driven the USPS to the brink of insolvency.No other private company or government agency is forced to bear such a burden."
 
I don't believe that. Not everyone wants to interact. Only a tiny fraction of a station's listeners ever calls, writes, or otherwise interacts with the atation. The rest are content to sit and listen.

I could've chosen a better word, but yes, they very much want to interact. By which I mean people want to listen to WHAT they want to listen to, WHEN they want to listen to it. That's why podcasting has exploded so quickly onto the scene. AM/FM radio forces you to listen on the broadcaster's schedule, the internet allows the listener to set the schedule. That's inevitably a losing proposition for AM/FM radio; the only reasons it hasn't already are:

A. So far radio still vastly surpasses any podcast system in terms of simplicity. Apple is really, really good at the concept of simplicity (a major reason why they're so popular) and they still can't hold a candle to radio: flip switch, turn knob, get sound.

B. The infrastructure for wireless internet is nowhere near big enough capacity to even approach matching the service level that broadcasting can do. I mean, several orders of magnitude "not big enough." This fact is rarely-appreciated by many people, and it's a problem that's immune to Moore's Law because really it's a political problem; local municipalities and their zoning boards are the single largest determining factor in how quickly more wireless infrastructure is deployed. Those boards move slowly and nothing is gonna change that since it's BY DESIGN that they move slowly; to give time for local residents to assimilate and respond.

That's why I say it'll be at least 10 years, and more likely over 20, before we're even close to wireless internet being able to realistically challenge one-way broadcasting technologies. Personally I think it'll be more than 20 years, but making future predictions is a mug's game to begin with, and anything over 20 years is almost guaranteed to be wrong, so... (shrugs)

By the way, WNTI, a non-profit entity, by law, cannot show a profit at the end of the fiscal year. So traditionally, and non-comm radio is no exception, they've plowed a lot of that money back into their facilities/operations. That's a big reason why many non-comm's have rilly, rilly nice facilities and equipment. But your core premise is still backwards: if an NPR affiliate wants to fundraise from its audience and it chooses to spend that money on nice facilities and microphones, well, by definition they're more directly accountable to their funding source than commercial radio is. By definition they already ARE operating under a premise that they must spend wisely lest their funding source become annoyed. Believe me, no station LIKES to do more and more begging on the air. Every one of them is always looking for ways to do LESS begging on the air. And every one of them is acutely aware that doing too much begging gets you an angry audience.
 
I have a question regarding NPR breaking its ties with affiliate stations. Doesn't NPR depend on affiliates to develop programming outside of the morning and afternoon news programs? Almost every other program I can think of started off local and most are still affiliated with a local affiliate. Dropping affiliates would end the "minor league" system and force it to develop shows on its own without having stations put in the effort and build an audience.
 
Doesn't NPR depend on affiliates to develop programming outside of the morning and afternoon news programs?

Yes and no, but "depend" is probably too strong a word. It's true that The Diane Rehm Show, Fresh Air, and On Point are produced at member stations and distributed by NPR. But first of all, any of those shows could be replaced relatively easily if NPR were specifically looking to split from member stations en masse. NPR has a lot of resources and a lot of cache to lure solid potential hosts into the fold.

Second, NPR does produce Talk of the Nation and Tell Me More in-house, and that's three hours of the mid-day's seven already in place.

Third, what really matters in radio is morning and afternoon drive times and NPR has a stranglehold on those with Morning Edition and All Things Considered.

That said, you do have an excellent point in that without using "the farm system," NPR would have a much harder time building an audience for any new show. But not an impossible one; if NPR abandoned stations and went web-only, you'd see a much greater amount of cross-promotion of other shows during ME and ATC. It'd be the only way to drive audience to check other shows out. And the advantage would be that NPR would be much more on a podcast model, so a listener could pause ME, go check out the immediately-available podcast of the other, promoted show, and then go back to ME afterwards.

Or course, that day may well never happen since NPR's board of directors is made up of representatives of member stations. So you can see how political and thorny this whole issue is today, and is getting increasingly more so.
 
[quoteBy the way, WNTI, a non-profit entity, by law, cannot show a profit at the end of the fiscal year. So traditionally, and non-comm radio is no exception, they've plowed a lot of that money back into their facilities/operations. That's a big reason why many non-comm's have rilly, rilly nice facilities and equipment. But your core premise is still backwards: if an NPR affiliate wants to fundraise from its audience and it chooses to spend that money on nice facilities and microphones, well, by definition they're more directly accountable to their funding source than commercial radio is. By definition they already ARE operating under a premise that they must spend wisely lest their funding source become annoyed. Believe me, no station LIKES to do more and more begging on the air. Every one of them is always looking for ways to do LESS begging on the air. And every one of them is acutely aware that doing too much begging gets you an angry audience.][/quote]

Right, but when it is a radio station folded in with a much larger entity, such as a university or college, then there *can* be a profit on the radio side that stays in a rainy day account. The income/losses/depreciation all get lumped in with the larger institution's balance sheets, so really all of the money doesn't have to be spent.

In the case of a truly independent station, such as WFMU, then it's a different story. There you see no super fancy equipment or flashy expenses. Just a solid workhorse studio to get the product on the air in a decent sounding manner.
 
WNTIRadio said:
In the case of a truly independent station, such as WFMU, then it's a different story. There you see no super fancy equipment or flashy expenses. Just a solid workhorse studio to get the product on the air in a decent sounding manner.

And what, then, is the much larger entity into which WGBH is folded?

At least in my experience (and I admit it's incomplete, since I've only visited maybe a quarter to a third of all the public radio stations in the country at this point), the stations affiliated with larger university entities tend to be the ones with the "solid workhorse" studios. Ever been inside WAMU or Wisconsin Public Radio? It's the standalones that tend to be flashier.
 
The WGBH Educational Foundation... as in that monster TV station that provides a ton of programming to PBS, as I'm sure you know.

At the end of the day, what really irks me that WGBH and WBUR air some of the same national programs in the same market. And that grant money from CPB goes from me, to them, and then right back to NPR for duplicate programming. There has to be a better way. Community Service Grants should have to be to pay local salaries and develop local community programs. In the language in the grant, it's stipulated that a certain percentage be spent on national programs. 26.1%.

Here it is from the CPB site:

*All radio CSG recipients are required to spend 26.1% of the FY 2012 grant on national program production and acquisition. These funds must be used exclusively for the acquisition, production, promotion and distribution of national programming of high quality, diversity, creativity, excellence and innovation, with strict adherence to objectivity and balance in all programs or series of programs of a controversial nature.

In other words, 1/4 of the CPB CSG radio funds are a kickback to NPR and to a lesser extent, PRI or MPR (Prarie Home Companion).
 
WNTIRadio said:
What could WGBH have done? How about a sign overhanging the Mass Pike. A lot cheaper than a jumbotron. I get it, it's a prime location. But they're spending other people's money to do it. Unless they got one sponsor to fund it?
From http://www.wgbh.org/about/mural.cfm

WGBH's 2007 relocation to our new, fully digital studios was made possible by 25,000 individuals from across New England, who contributed more than $64 million to Breaking New Ground: The Campaign for WGBH. Together with funding from Harvard University, which purchased WGBH's previous land and property in Allston, these generous donors helped build our all-digital studios. Neither membership dollars nor federal funds were used to construct or support our studios, including the digital mural.

Funding for WGBH’s digital mural has been provided by the Massachusetts Cultural Facilities Fund, a program of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, administered through a collaborative arrangement between MassDevelopment and the Massachusetts Cultural Council.
 
WNTIRadio said:
What they should do is run national underwriting, and not just after the news.
The very first thing one hears on Car Talk:
[Ray] Support for Car Talk on NPR comes from NPR member stations...Subaru...Tire Rack...Angie's List...

Then more sponsors at the break: esurance, some traffic mobile app (map my ride?)...

This American Life, Wait Wait, The Splendid Table, The People's Pharmacy all have multiple sponsors. All read by the shows hosts, so presumably national.
 
WNTIRadio said:
At the end of the day, what really irks me that WGBH and WBUR air some of the same national programs in the same market.

But not in exactly the same way. WBUR pre-empts more segments, replacing them with more local reporting. WGBH only runs 2 hours each of ME and ATC, and it's pretty much uninterrupted.

The key fact here is that WBUR was kicking WGBH's butt. Unique programming doesn't matter if no one listens or supports it.

WNTIRadio said:
Community Service Grants should have to be to pay local salaries and develop local community programs. In the language in the grant, it's stipulated that a certain percentage be spent on national programs. 26.1%.

Which means that 73.9% goes to local programming and staff. That's the majority of the money. What's your problem? The key point of the Public Broadcasting Act was to ensure a quality national service that will provide the audience a certain level of consistency across the country, in large and small markets. Ask any GM what attracts the most listener contributions, and he'll tell you the national programming. So the CSG money spent on national programming comes back to the station in UNRESTRICTED listener donations, and that's the kind of money you can do something with.
 
Funding for WGBH’s digital mural has been provided by the Massachusetts Cultural Facilities Fund, a program of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, administered through a collaborative arrangement between MassDevelopment and the Massachusetts Cultural Council.

Well, there's my answer! Thank you! That clears up a lot.
 
Right, but when it is a radio station folded in with a much larger entity, such as a university or college, then there *can* be a profit on the radio side that stays in a rainy day account. The income/losses/depreciation all get lumped in with the larger institution's balance sheets, so really all of the money doesn't have to be spent.

Ummm...not really. The annual audits required for CPB reporting are exclusively about the station's own revenue/loss; it's completely independent of any parent college's finances. (note: obviously if there is a subsidy from the parent college to the station, that's not exactly "independent" but it's still counted as non-federal financial support (i.e. non-governmental revenue) for the station in the audit.)

It's true that the accounting can, and does, get more complicated when you're part of a parent college...I've run a station like that before, although in our case it was the other way around; we got hefty subsidies from the parent college. But it's not as blase as you imply. On the legal side it gets dicey real fast if you take revenue from a station and apply to the college's balance sheets, because it's not legal for an NCE to fundraise for any entity other than the station itself; that also excludes a station fundraising for its parent college.
 
So glad that WGBH is continuing to replace jazz with creative new programs; like Marketplace at 6 pm, which WBUR has been airing at 6:30 for years.
 
Today (June 29th), I went to the "Radio Schedule" section of the WGBH website, and I can tell you that based on information listed there that next week (July 2nd-7th) will be the last week of evening and overnight jazz during the week.

WGBH will air something called "PRX Remix" in the overnight hours Sundays through Thursdays (Monday through Friday early-mornings); the syndicated Bob Parlocha jazz show will continue (for now) weekend overnights.

So jazz will be cut by about two-thirds, from 61 hours a week to 22 hours a week.

And chances are that the remaining hours of jazz may well be eliminated once more public radio news/information programming becomes available to WGBH for weekend evening and overnight hours.
 
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